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[mingot]

Sorry, I'm just the type of guy who gets really confused when I see a lot of numbers.

I guess I'll start off with this question: To catch a legendary (Giratina) what information will I need to just do IV abuse (not shiny).

And what section should I pay close attention to? I read the Exploitation Techniques for Captured Pokemon and it just directed me up.

I guess I just need a little guidance.

Ah then my apologies, I assumed you were talking about the egg IV methods. I've not put enough information into the OP yet to get legends unless you've either been paying good attention here for a while or have abused egg IVs. Sorry for that, I will be working on this ASAP. I've really been concentrating on cleaning up the egg IV guide and making additions to RNG Reporter so it's been a little neglected save the hard technical data.

should I be using a sweet scenter for the calibration phase?

It really doesn't matter a whole lot.

 

[TDS]

One more question, If I'm using an Ar for Iv check, when do I hit start? at the minute?

 

[klock]

I just learned that you can make note of the time/delay/offset of a seed (PRNG shiny abusing), and just set my clock back to get the same seed again. How do you do this? I'm a bit confused.. (Would it be the same idea as keep SR'ing for Delays/Offsets like you would when you abuse for IV's?)

 

[Darkprophet]

One more question, If I'm using an Ar for Iv check, when do I hit start? at the minute?

I Tap "Start" on the AR at HH:MM:00. This gives me a seconds of 16, so, that is what I use in my spreads.

Mingot:

I'm testing some Delay and Offset control, as, I was able to accurately control my offset in my first RNG abuse attempt. I think I may have an idea of how delay works as well.

The short version is, I use the Daycare Man's Buneary to count my offset. I used it's movement from it's current start location to get an offset higher than taking the egg as soon as the game loaded up (And, I was able to do this accurately and consistantly, as i kept getting the wrong delay, but Offset 7, which I had to wait a second to two to get, instead of taking the egg right off the start, which was offset 4)

The short theory of delay is, the earlier on the fading in screen of the copyrights I start to mash A, the earlier my delay seems to be. I haven't been able to 100% control my delay yet, but, I seem to get much higher delays the longer I wait to start mashing A.

If the delay thing was already known, then, I didn't realize that, and, you can ignore that part. :X

 

[dr00]

do you know how to do the calibration phase for SRing IVs?


i assume it would be like that, except your target would be the date and time (and seconds) of the spreads that you got.


you would then restart an appropriate amount of time before that point instead of at HH:00

 

[klock]

I Tap "Start" on the AR at HH:MM:00. This gives me a seconds of 16, so, that is what I use in my spreads.

Mingot:

I'm testing some Delay and Offset control, as, I was able to accurately control my offset in my first RNG abuse attempt. I think I may have an idea of how delay works as well.

The short version is, I use the Daycare Man's Buneary to count my offset. I used it's movement from it's current start location to get an offset higher than taking the egg as soon as the game loaded up (And, I was able to do this accurately and consistantly, as i kept getting the wrong delay, but Offset 7, which I had to wait a second to two to get, instead of taking the egg right off the start, which was offset 4)

The short theory of delay is, the earlier on the fading in screen of the copyrights I start to mash A, the earlier my delay seems to be. I haven't been able to 100% control my delay yet, but, I seem to get much higher delays the longer I wait to start mashing A.

If the delay thing was already known, then, I didn't realize that, and, you can ignore that part. :X

This is what I thought of too, and I tried to use the Buneary when I started. But I asked some questions, and it turns out that all the NPC's in the area's movement matters (not just the ones visible on your screen).

 

[Darkprophet]

do you know how to do the calibration phase for SRing IVs?


i assume it would be like that, except your target would be the date and time (and seconds) of the spreads that you got.


you would then restart an appropriate amount of time before that point instead of at HH:00

Yes, my typical Calibration for example is 16 seconds, 7 offset, and 619 delay. This is what I got my first 2 RNG abuses with (One was a test Breloom, 30.31.30.x.31.31, and the other was my final 31/31/31/x/31/31)

So, when I search for a spread, I note my parents, and look for a spread that is 16 seconds into the minute, as that's when I ALWAYS hit continue. From there, you just need to make sure you're getting a consistant delay and offset, and, I'm trying to figure out an easier way to control them (I'm doing pretty good on the Offset, but, each project needs to be tinkered with to figure out what offset is what frame of buneary walking)

EDIT @ klock: I know that all the NPCs matter, I'm pretty sure even off-screen NPCs do, but, Buneary's movements are consistant, and therefore, easy to use as a guide for determining my offset. Every time I save I end up with a different offset, so, I need to figure out my new offset by catching some new pokemon and searching my spreads.

 

[dr00]

Yes, my typical Calibration for example is 16 seconds, 7 offset, and 619 delay. This is what I got my first 2 RNG abuses with (One was a test Breloom, 30.31.30.x.31.31, and the other was my final 31/31/31/x/31/31)

So, when I search for a spread, I note my parents, and look for a spread that is 16 seconds into the minute, as that's when I ALWAYS hit continue. From there, you just need to make sure you're getting a consistant delay and offset, and, I'm trying to figure out an easier way to control them (I'm doing pretty good on the Offset, but, each project needs to be tinkered with to figure out what offset is what frame of buneary walking)

EDIT @ klock: I know that all the NPCs matter, I'm pretty sure even off-screen NPCs do, but, Buneary's movements are consistant, and therefore, easy to use as a guide for determining my offset. Every time I save I end up with a different offset, so, I need to figure out my new offset by catching some new pokemon and searching my spreads.

sorry, that was to klock. you just posted right before i did lol

 

[klock]

Oh.. xD. Well I do the same way Darkprophet does, except I subtract the 6 seconds (The time it loads when I press Start, to the game) from that 16 seconds, and I look for spreads that are 16 seconds into the minute.

 

[Darkprophet]

I suppose if you record the Starting seed, Offset, Delay, and everything you could re-use Shiny Spreads. I'm not sure if it's really worth it tho. (If it is, I'll kick myself for not saving the 35 tap Impish one that got me my Drapion XD)

 

[Tase]

Question about the "MS Excel" method for counting taps

Is there an easy way to physically do this? Do you set down the DS and tap with one hand, and use your other hand to scroll down on Excel? Or do you actually set down the DS after each tap? The latter seems more probable since tapping the DS with AR in and while it's sitting on a solid surface would make the method seem very freeze-prone.

I'm trying to get my shiny egg already, but it's been yet another 3 days and due to the length of spreads I've missed any slightly reasonable spreads

 

[mingot]

No problem, I was a bit too vague with my questioning.

Can you direct me to anywhere in specific that deals with legends? Or will I just have to wait a little while?

Right now, the best way to describe how to do it is to use the time finder, but the capture tab. Then use the calibration instructions from the egg IV section. After that you are just trying to start the game at the exact time the time finder recommended.

Use the RNG advancement for wild pokemon (specifically, walking and journal flipping) to advance the correct number of frames.

Method J for all pokemon except cressial and mespirit.

Also, check back maybe the last 10 pages or so, there is some information there. Sorry it's sparse, I will start working on a guide as soon as I am done with the last few things I have been putting off in RNG reporter (IVs to PID, SID Deduction, Method 4, and probably a Heads/Tails display column for the egg PID frames)

I just learned that you can make note of the time/delay/offset of a seed (PRNG shiny abusing), and just set my clock back to get the same seed again. How do you do this? I'm a bit confused.. (Would it be the same idea as keep SR'ing for Delays/Offsets like you would when you abuse for IV's?)

Yep, same idea as SRing for egg/Legend IVs. You'll want to scent to see if you hit the right track OR use Syberias trick, but if you use his trick you will need to deduct the amount of taps you made from what RNG Reporter says you need. Suggest flipping coin 12 times and subtracting 1 double tap on the happiness application.

I Tap "Start" on the AR at HH:MM:00. This gives me a seconds of 16, so, that is what I use in my spreads.

Mingot:

I'm testing some Delay and Offset control, as, I was able to accurately control my offset in my first RNG abuse attempt. I think I may have an idea of how delay works as well.

The short version is, I use the Daycare Man's Buneary to count my offset. I used it's movement from it's current start location to get an offset higher than taking the egg as soon as the game loaded up (And, I was able to do this accurately and consistantly, as i kept getting the wrong delay, but Offset 7, which I had to wait a second to two to get, instead of taking the egg right off the start, which was offset 4)

The short theory of delay is, the earlier on the fading in screen of the copyrights I start to mash A, the earlier my delay seems to be. I haven't been able to 100% control my delay yet, but, I seem to get much higher delays the longer I wait to start mashing A.

If the delay thing was already known, then, I didn't realize that, and, you can ignore that part. :X

Well delay is how fast you go from reset to in game, so quick button mashing helps there. Not sure about the offset control theory, though. Seems like just saving until you can nail a consistant offset would be just as easy.

do you know how to do the calibration phase for SRing IVs?

i assume it would be like that, except your target would be the date and time (and seconds) of the spreads that you got.

you would then restart an appropriate amount of time before that point instead of at HH:00

Yep. The time finder gives a wide range of dates and times, though, so if you're seconds value during calibration was always 16 you can probably find time finder output with 16 seconds, allowing you to SR on :00.

I suppose if you record the Starting seed, Offset, Delay, and everything you could re-use Shiny Spreads. I'm not sure if it's really worth it tho. (If it is, I'll kick myself for not saving the 35 tap Impish one that got me my Drapion XD)

For folks who are good at it (SRing a target time+delay) I think it's a good idea. It's even been requested that I write an egg PID time finder and although it's at the back of the list it will probably happen at some point.

 

[Darkprophet]

Well delay is how fast you go from reset to in game, so quick button mashing helps there. Not sure about the offset control theory, though. Seems like just saving until you can nail a consistant offset would be just as easy.

For folks who are good at it (SRing a target time+delay) I think it's a good idea. It's even been requested that I write an egg PID time finder and although it's at the back of the list it will probably happen at some point.

Hmm, maybe I'm just not being consistant with my tapping of "A." I'll try it out some, but, you're probably right. Thanks for the info.

 

[klock]

Yep, same idea as SRing for egg/Legend IVs. You'll want to scent to see if you hit the right track OR use Syberias trick, but if you use his trick you will need to deduct the amount of taps you made from what RNG Reporter says you need. Suggest flipping coin 12 times and subtracting 1 double tap on the happiness application.

So you use Sweet Scent, and check your captured pokemon if you got the same Nature/IV's? If the answer to this question is a yes, and say that I had a spread of Adamant 0, 100 taps and 5 flips. So when I SR for it and get the poke with the right nature/IV, I would tap 99 times and flip 17 times?

 

[Tase]

Glah, being end-of-page'd all the time is so obnoxious @_@

Question about the "MS Excel" method for counting taps

Is there an easy way to physically do this? Do you set down the DS and tap with one hand, and use your other hand to scroll down on Excel? Or do you actually set down the DS after each tap? The latter seems more probable since tapping the DS with AR in and while it's sitting on a solid surface would make the method seem very freeze-prone.

I'm trying to get my shiny egg already, but it's been yet another 3 days and due to the length of spreads I've missed any slightly reasonable spreads

 

[The Giritina-man]

If you saw what I posted on the page before, you would know what I was talking about.. >_<. FYI, I know how to abuse for shinies as shown in my sig..

Yea, I took it back. Sorry about that.

 

[klock]

It's okay, I understand people can get upset when they see people posting about "OMG SHINY HOW U DO THIS" when it's right on the first page. Reading back what I posted, it does look like I'm asking how to do this, lol

 

[Sephirona]

Klock totally knows what he's talking about, he's just asking about the conversion between taps and coin flips. He also happens to be quite a successful breeder. Either way, there's never the need for such an accusatory tone there, really~ `-`

Egads, it's about time I re-read the guide myself, though. Legendary pokemon manipulation now? *A*

 

[HitoriRaven]

Sweet, ditto that, I've been waitin for an update

 

[The Giritina-man]

I deleted the post I had posted because I was completely talking about something different.

Anyways, BOT: So does anybody have a good way of doing taps while using the RNG for eggs? I tried doing 231 taps in multiple of 10's until I got to 230, but that didn't work.

 

[klock]

Thanks Seph, lol. I apologize Giratina, I deleted my post. Anyway, I count by 20's and draw a little line on my notebook. 5 lines = 100 taps, this is how I kept track of taps for two shinies, and it worked so far.. :D

 

[riddlinkid]

I deleted the post I had posted because I was completely talking about something different.

Anyways, BOT: So does anybody have a good way of doing taps while using the RNG for eggs? I tried doing 231 taps in multiple of 10's until I got to 230, but that didn't work.

I usually do it in 50s, counting out loud and marking down the total after each group of 50 taps. I managed to get a 2300+ tap spread today doing it this way.

 

[Tase]

So does anybody have a good way of doing taps while using the RNG for eggs? I tried doing 231 taps in multiple of 10's until I got to 230, but that didn't work.

Find a happy balance--don't do groups that are really tiny (like 10 at a time) because you will get bored much more quickly and you'll lose focus. Same goes for something too long (like doing the whole thing at once).

I do 25 or 50 tap intervals when I'm tired, and 100 at a time earlier in the day

EDIT: Also, if you have a large hand-sized stylus, use that. IMO FAR easier to tap with than the tiny ass default styli

 

[The Giritina-man]

Thanks for the tip klock, but I'm trying to take it slow by doing 1 at a time.
At any rate...how far have you gone? I was about to do 900+.

 

[klock]

I don't have much shinies bred yet, but I did 1400+ taps for my Rash spread (also another Rash spread 800+ intended for Nidoking, but it hatched with a vagina), and it worked by counting in 20's. Like what Tase said, I used to do everything in one shot....which all failed :(. Doing 100 taps took me 2 minutes.. it was so boring >_<. Make sure you take some breaks in between, or you'll lose focus :P.