Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

uggh im confused yesturday i hit my delay and seconds and seed perfectly but when I caught azelf it wasnt the spread i was looking for but another. does anyone know how to generate time for a spread found on a the website because i dont want to mess up again

Those are in method 1. You have to check what frame it is in method J. I think that was you problem.
 

Hm...I remember reading something someone wrote, but I don't think it makes sense, so I just want to make sure.

Yesterday, I saved right as the Buneary entered the tent, and my frame was a consistent 2. I got my Pokemon successfully afterwards.

If I always save when the Buneary enters the tent, does this mean my frame is always somewhere near 2 whenever I'm trying a new IV project? It doesn't sound right, I don't think that's what they meant. D: I assume they mean that if I save right when the buneary enters, then when I grab the egg I'll know if I missed the frame if the buneary passed a certain point on the fence.

Thanks *_*
No, unfortinately the NPCs' movements are random and so will be different each time the Buneary enters the tent, it's just luck really. You are correct with what you are assuming.

2 quick things not in the OP:

What is the Initial Frame of Arceus? I assume Method J and Frame 1, but, is anyone positive? If not, I'll test it tonight.

What are the initial Frames of the Legendary Birds? Is it 1 for Moltres, 6 for Zapdos, 11 for Articuno?
Not sure about Arceus, maybe you could test?

The legendary birds are actually in the OP. Maybe not clear enough though.
The Legendary Birds

The legendary birds are handled as Method 1 Pokemon, but the PID/IVs for all three of them are created at one time using 15 RNG Calls. 1-4 create Moltres, 6-9 create Zapdos, and 11-14 create Articuno.
 
Yeah, those are the frames for the legendary birds (if you don't have other roaming pokemon freed). Caught my HP Ice almost Flawless Zapdos yesterday. Caught at Valley WindWorks.
 
Does your frame number reset to 1 everytime you turn off the game?
Yeah it sort of does but the NPCs will still move at the same time as they did after you saved (ie. if the moved immediately after you save they will do so when you begin the game again) So although it does reset to one this does not mean your frame will be one, it will change if NPCs move.

How do find what your frame number is?
You should really read the OP, simple questions like this are all answered there.

By testing. Soft reset, take your egg as quickly as possible, catch a wild pokemon, enter its IVs and nature into RNGReporter to find your seed, then generate a list of egg IVs (Breeding[DPPt]) and find your egg's IVs on that list. That is your frame.
 
It looks like I need frame 1 to be able to reset Azelf to the ivs I want. So if I save in front of Azelf then it won't go higher cuz there aren't any NPCs moving in the area? If this is true then I know exactly how to reset Azelf now. Also does the frame number affect the set of ivs you get if your reseting for them?
 
It looks like I need frame 1 to be able to reset Azelf to the ivs I want. So if I save in front of Azelf then it won't go higher cuz there aren't any NPCs moving in the area? If this is true then I know exactly how to reset Azelf now. Also does the frame number affect the set of ivs you get if your reseting for them?


Yes, you will get 1 inside azelfs cave. Depending on what frame you get is what IVs and nature you get.
 
The default frame is not the frame you want, the default frame is the frame you get for each specific legendary. So, for Azelf, if you simply were to save in front of him, reset, and just talk to him after the reset, the frame that you'll get will be 1. But the frame you WANT depends on the IVs you want, and that's what you'll use the RNG reporter for.

So, yeah! Read the OP again.
 
ok i hit my seed i wanted and tommorow i will advance the rng as soon as you guys can help me and if you guys are correct i will make my flawless azelf redistributable and give whoever helped me one.

now my frame i have to do is 581 and azelfs starting frame is 1 so is all i have to do is advance it by 580?

IF SO flipping the journal 290 times should allow me to get this correct but when i flip a page over to a caught i have to flip it back to another to count?
 
ok i hit my seed i wanted and tommorow i will advance the rng as soon as you guys can help me and if you guys are correct i will make my flawless azelf redistributable and give whoever helped me one.

now my frame i have to do is 581 and azelfs starting frame is 1 so is all i have to do is advance it by 580?

IF SO flipping the journal 290 times should allow me to get this correct but when i flip a page over to a caught i have to flip it back to another to count?
Only flipping to a page that has a pokemon defeated or captured, whether it be backward or forward advances the RNG by +2. You do not have to flip it back for it to count. So if the first page in your Journal shows a pokemon caught or defeated that counts as a flip.

580/2=290 Journal flips
 
Thanks to all who have been answering questions today :) Looks like nothing really needs clarification this second so that's good.

Wanted to say, though, that the guide on IV Breeding has been (once again) rewritten again and now includes a "frame calibration" phase and has information about actually using the journal. Thanks to Omega Donut for coming up with this method and providing some documentation I could use.

If anyone would like to proof it for stupid please do and let me know what corrections should be made.

I have changed it a bit, so Omega, if you want to send back another round of revisions or negotiate on how the frame calibration phase is done that would be good. For the time being I made it where during frame calibration there is no targeted spread. Of course a smart user could merge his first calibration and the frame calibration, but I'll leave that to folks who can figure it out for themselves since merging them would complicate the instructions (less steps, but more complicated ones + duplicated information across sections).

Also the default frames for the birds should be clearer now and added the coin flip information to the common section. Starting to come together a bit more more now.

Also, RNG Reporter stuff is taking a fair amount of my time, but the next version should have some very helpful things in it.
 
Thanks to all who have been answering questions today :) Looks like nothing really needs clarification this second so that's good.

Wanted to say, though, that the guide on IV Breeding has been (once again) rewritten again and now includes a "frame calibration" phase and has information about actually using the journal. Thanks to Omega Donut for coming up with this method and providing some documentation I could use.

If anyone would like to proof it for stupid please do and let me know what corrections should be made.

I have changed it a bit, so Omega, if you want to send back another round of revisions or negotiate on how the frame calibration phase is done that would be good. For the time being I made it where during frame calibration there is no targeted spread. Of course a smart user could merge his first calibration and the frame calibration, but I'll leave that to folks who can figure it out for themselves since merging them would complicate the instructions (less steps, but more complicated ones + duplicated information across sections).

Also the default frames for the birds should be clearer now and added the coin flip information to the common section. Starting to come together a bit more more now.

Also, RNG Reporter stuff is taking a fair amount of my time, but the next version should have some very helpful things in it.
Seems very clear to me, nicely written, easy to understand.

Just a query about searching for spread in the time finder. Say I want to find a method 1 spread with a reasonable delay. Is the best way to search all my possible options to search the year 2000 with delays 99 more than what I can hit consistently, so that I can manipulate the year to change the delay, but not limit myself to a delay range of 20 or so?
 
Okay, so i am learning to abuse the rng for legends and DP explained that to advance the RNG i need to journal flip, each page with a captured pokemon is 2 points so ye.

My number is 459 which is not even and means i cannot be divided by two without a leftover decimal.

What do i do?
 
The OP says that the Journal advances by 2, and talking to a 'mon usually advances the RNG by 1, right? So, what can be done with even frames (say, 200)? 1 + any amount of 2s makes an odd number, after all.
 
I was trying to get a spread on Darkrai with a frame of 1382. My timid synchronizer was the ONLY pokemon in my party. Assuming I Darkrai has a frame of 1, I need to advance the RNG by 1381. First I walked 128 steps to advance the RNG by 1 because i have 1 pokemon in my party. Then I did 690 journal flips. I caught darkrai and ended up with a frame of 2772?? Did I do anything wrong? Even if I miscounted the flips, I shouldn't be THAT off right?

EDIT: I found out my mistake. I didn't know pages with defeated pokemon also advance the RNG by 2.
my bad :(
 
Okay, so i am learning to abuse the rng for legends and DP explained that to advance the RNG i need to journal flip, each page with a captured pokemon is 2 points so ye.

My number is 459 which is not even and means i cannot be divided by two without a leftover decimal.

What do i do?

This should answer Cy-Chan also.

To make it from odd to even for the flips, you walk 128 steps. Advances by 1 for each pokemon, so bring odd amounts always just in case.

You also -x, depends on the pokemon. Most are 1.

so 801 would be:
801-1
800/2= 400 flips

802 would be:
802-1
801-1 (or 3 or 5 (Odd party amount, walk 128 steps)
800/2 = 400 flips

So example of each.
 
Found the answer to that, new question: Will it advance by four if I open, close, open and close again then?
And pages without caught pokemon don't do a thing?
 
I have a question.
When the guide says that Zapdos/Moltres/Articuno are treated as method 1, that means that I can't SR all of them, only one of them?
 
I have a question.
When the guide says that Zapdos/Moltres/Articuno are treated as method 1, that means that I can't SR all of them, only one of them?


Correct. Unless you have a rebattle code (non existent) or a flash cart, you can only get one, so choose wisely.

Banana- Darkrai should be 1, if you want confirm with DP.
 
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