Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

RoloToMASSEY said:
Just a quick question which I'm sure can easily be answered.

I'm unsure how the Frame becomes effected when the game is started up.
I can find and lock on to a frame I am on, for example when I bred a flawless Jolteon, I was on Frame 5 and when I hatched it, it was fine.
Then, when I tried to do a Crobat I found that I was on Frame 6, and the delay was 630 (easy for me to get) and that I hit the right seed(?) within 3 Soft Resets, as the coin flip's matched perfectly to the spread I wanted, and was frame 6.
So I hatched it, and it was a really bad and different spread.
The same problem happened again with a Vaporeon I was doing.

I think it might be related to..
When I press continue and before I get the egg, the NPCs moving advance the Frame.
Question on this, the two Human NPC's by the Daycare Man must advance the frame if they move, but do the Buneary's?

But I am not saving after finding out my Frame, nor do I have the Journal coming up.

Any advice?
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Yes, try again. You don't, and unless we find some new way to do it, get what you want the first time every time. The frame ... Will be different. It sucks. Try again.

Raistmagic said:
IV RNG Breeding question:

So, I consistently got frames of 4-5 during the frame calibration thread. When I put this in to the time finder, I got nothing.

Sooo, I added 2 like the directions stated. I still got nothing until I had added 2 three times. I don't know if I was supposed to do this but I thought I'd try before asking.

Anyway, I've hatched 3 eggs now and I haven't been able to find any of the three spreads on the list :|.

Does the frame have something to do with that?
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How are you looking to see what you hit? Be precise. Also, are you sure you hit the correct seed?

Befragen said:
Somebody should create a "Noobs guide to RNG legendaries" to avoid all of the soft-resetting. I have tried RNGing them but I just can't get it down. I'm sure many others would like it too.
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Sorry, what?
 
mingot said:
How are you looking to see what you hit? Be precise. Also, are you sure you hit the correct seed?
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I'm just looking at the lists of spreads that I generated with the seed finder.

I'm hitting the correct seed as far as I know. I believe I've followed all the directions.
 
mingot said:
"As far as you know". HOW are you verifying that you hit the correct seed?
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I guess that I don't really know how to verify that I hit the correct seed. I was just looking through the list for my results and if they weren't present, I assumed I must have missed the seed.

All that I knew, is that I was hitting the target time.
 
Hey, I was just wondering if any research is being done on the RNG for FR/LG and Colosseum. There's some legendaries only obtainable in those games so it would be helpful to have the RNG figured out. From what I've read Colosseum also has more spreads available due to having a slightly different RNG than the other games.

If anyone is interested in figuring these other RNGs out I'd be glad to help test.
 
fortegoddx said:
is the american rng and other countries rng the same? just wondering to see how long it take to crack SS/HH's RNG.
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What does "SS/HH" means?

Anyway, i've been reading this thread for a while. I've read all the posts before asking. Right now i only have tried the "shiny eggs" part. I got a shiny larvitar in the first try. I suppose that IRNG abuse for flawless IV's or SRing for legendaries will be more difficult, but i'll try and then i'll ask.

BTW i hate those people who didn't read all the pages in this thread before asking. It's annoying to see the same questions asked and answered thousand of times >_>

Oh, and Excelent job guys. This research is amazing =P thanks mingot, syberia, LightningFusion, OmegaDonut, TTB, etc. (I don't remember all the ppl who has contributed in this right now :S)

PD: I'm sorry about my english, i'm spanish and i have to improve that, at least i hope you understand me despite of the grammar errors.
 
I assume he means SS/HG, or "Soul Silver" and "Heart Gold" :>

From what I can infer, the RNGs of international games should function in the same way. You can breed shinies with international parents, that's for sure, since the chances slim down to 1/2000 ish instead of 1/8000 ish. *_*
 
Sephirona said:
I assume he means SS/HG, or "Soul Silver" and "Heart Gold" :>

From what I can infer, the RNGs of international games should function in the same way. You can breed shinies with international parents, that's for sure, since the chances slim down to 1/2000 ish instead of 1/8000 ish. *_*
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Exactly. However, we have no idea how the HGSS's RNG will work. Ruby/Sapphire, Emerald and Fire Red/Leaf Green had all different RNGs...
 
Alright... *takes deep breath.* I may not have mastered RNG breeding, but I'm pretty good at it. So I think it's time to move on to captured Pokemon...

And that means Legendaries...

But I have NO IDEA where to begin. I read the articles, but I am stuck. I can't even find a suitable spread in the Time Finder. I see lots of people showing off flawless Shiny Legendaries in the "Discuss my Pokemon" thread, but I don't want flawless, just pretty good. ): I can't even find a good IV spread for a non-Shiny. Is there something crucial I'm missing, or do I just need to keep changing the year on the finder and running it until it finds something?
 
Yeah, SS/HG's RNGs will probably be different. I'm sure they're aware of all the people who can RNG abuse now, so they might change things around to make it more difficult.
Since we're expecting the RNGs of international versions of the series to be identical, and there's the fact that the Japanese version might be released first, maybe he means other people might start cracking it first, and when we get our version we'll have some already researched information to start us off...? ( * u * )

Comparatively, Legendary abuse looks easier than IV abuse because the frames are set in caves and don't advance based on NPC movements (yayay), but I haven't tried it yet either so I can't be sure. Journal flipping looks the most annoying. DX

MrSableye said:
So, shinyness is set before taking the egg, like gender, ability, etc...
So I can get a shiny egg, THEN reset for good IVs?
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Exactly~ You'll want to save before taking the egg from him, but only after he has the egg already.
 
MrSableye said:
So, shinyness is set before taking the egg, like gender, ability, etc...
So I can get a shiny egg, THEN reset for good IVs?
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This question has been answered a million of times, just read the OP before asking silly questions like this (no offense, i just mean that the answer to this question is in the OP)
 
Um...I hate to be a broken record here.

I found the section where it explains the technical details of Synchronize, but I still don't see how it changes the process. Could someone help me out? I've manage two successful legendary SRs so far, but I have the feeling Sync. would help.

Also, how are people catching perfect wild pokemon (like LF's Gyarados) that have variable frames? I would just like to learn how.
 
Interesting discovery:

The IVs of wonder card pokemon are generated using method 1. The PIDs, however, are not.

I will look into this further :)
 
Well according to mingot, the wonder card PIDs come from a third RNG that's different from the egg and wild pokemon ones, and not much is known about how it works.

I'm going to see if I can't just fluke a useful nature on a Jirachi, though. There's plenty of near-flawless spreads with low offsets I can try.
 
The trouble is, you've only got a 1/25 chance of getting the nature right, since we don't know how to manipulate that.

Hmm, this is odd. Using a save state at the same seed, I'm consistently getting the same IVs after 2 journal flips (they match method 1 frame 5, as they should), but the natures have been different every time. So the ARNG (that's mingot's term for the 3rd RNG that creates wonder card PIDs) is not influenced by journal taps, or even NPC movements or coin flips. It may be influenced by time spent in-game?

Whatever advances it, the good news is if you keep hitting your correct seed and offset, the IVs you get are not tied to a nature. So if you hit it enough, you'll eventually fluke a usable nature as well.

I remember reading in a post on pokesav.org a long time ago that the wonder card PID looked like it was referencing a "time stamp," so perhaps it calculated it based on the time the DS internal clock is set to at the moment you grab your pokemon?
 
Syberia said:
The trouble is, you've only got a 1/25 chance of getting the nature right, since we don't know how to manipulate that.

Hmm, this is odd. Using a save state at the same seed, I'm consistently getting the same IVs after 2 journal flips (they match method 1 frame 5, as they should), but the natures have been different every time. So the ARNG (that's mingot's term for the 3rd RNG that creates wonder card PIDs) is not influenced by journal taps, or even NPC movements or coin flips. It may be influenced by time spent in-game?

Whatever advances it, the good news is if you keep hitting your correct seed and offset, the IVs you get are not tied to a nature. So if you hit it enough, you'll eventually fluke a usable nature as well.

I remember reading in a post on pokesav.org a long time ago that the wonder card PID looked like it was referencing a "time stamp," so perhaps it calculated it based on the time the DS internal clock is set to at the moment you grab your pokemon?
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Maybe it uses Method 1 or Breeding RNG to get the nature, based on the time you get the pokémon?
 
MrSableye said:
Okay, so I've tried twice (yeah, probably not enough, but I still might be doing something wrong) to get a shiny egg.

What I did is this (just in case I made a mistake):

1. Saved in the route above the Resort Area.
2. SR'd and noted the time when I pressed continue.
3. Caught a Pokémon and checked its IVs/nature.
4. Inputted that information into the Seed finder.
5. Chose a reasonable initial seed.
6. Used a low frame.
7. Used fly to get to Solaceon.
8. Did the taps/flips.
9. Went inside, deposited Pokémon and put in my parents.
10. Rode my bike around til the man had the egg.
11. Picked up the egg and hatched it, it wasn't shiny.

EDIT: And yes, I did put my ID and SID in and checked the shiny box.
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This could be your SID or your ID, pherhaps you have typed it wrong. My six first attempts failed because i had typed 63911 as my SiD instead of 63991 wich is my real one. Then i typed it correctly and got a shiny larvitar in my first attempt
 
Clawed Nyasu said:
But I have NO IDEA where to begin. I read the articles, but I am stuck. I can't even find a suitable spread in the Time Finder. I see lots of people showing off flawless Shiny Legendaries in the "Discuss my Pokemon" thread, but I don't want flawless, just pretty good. ): I can't even find a good IV spread for a non-Shiny. Is there something crucial I'm missing, or do I just need to keep changing the year on the finder and running it until it finds something?
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You can use one of the spreadsheet or increase your max frame and/or delay ranges. There is also a spreadsheet in the OP with seeds.

munchlax8 said:
Um...I hate to be a broken record here.

I found the section where it explains the technical details of Synchronize, but I still don't see how it changes the process. Could someone help me out? I've manage two successful legendary SRs so far, but I have the feeling Sync. would help.

Also, how are people catching perfect wild pokemon (like LF's Gyarados) that have variable frames? I would just like to learn how.
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Uh, there is no major difference in process, or I just dont understand your question, I guess. The only difference, really, is when using the time finder or generating your spreads that you have to select method J and choose the synchronize nature.

Syberia said:
The trouble is, you've only got a 1/25 chance of getting the nature right, since we don't know how to manipulate that.

Hmm, this is odd. Using a save state at the same seed, I'm consistently getting the same IVs after 2 journal flips (they match method 1 frame 5, as they should), but the natures have been different every time. So the ARNG (that's mingot's term for the 3rd RNG that creates wonder card PIDs) is not influenced by journal taps, or even NPC movements or coin flips. It may be influenced by time spent in-game?

Whatever advances it, the good news is if you keep hitting your correct seed and offset, the IVs you get are not tied to a nature. So if you hit it enough, you'll eventually fluke a usable nature as well.

I remember reading in a post on pokesav.org a long time ago that the wonder card PID looked like it was referencing a "time stamp," so perhaps it calculated it based on the time the DS internal clock is set to at the moment you grab your pokemon?
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Good stuff :) Yep, I have read the same article and am remembering the same thing. When time permits we document the IV creation for wondercards. So what's this net us besides Jirachi?

Expert Evan said:
I tried using the initial seed finder and it said that the nature & IVs were invalid. Oh well.
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Nah, wont work directly on the wondercard. He is capturing something else after the wondercard to find an initial seed.
 
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