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Well, I have something weird to notify.

I was using the ShinyFinder by MinusOne, to find a shiny Modest Female Squirtle.

Ok, I found one, on delay 598, 2009 06 05, 43 seconds. The ShinyFinder said that I would have to do 4 taps and 7 flips.

I decided that it would be better to be sure about my delay before doing the taps, so I've used a mixed method to achieve this. Instead of going with 6 pokemons, I had 5 on my team, and captured one as soon as I've entered the game. Checked it's IVs, and inserted them on the RNG Reporter.

When I've hit my delay, on the fourth try, I pressed ok and generated the DPPt Egg PID (International and Normal). Well, the problem is that both of them had the modest shiny spread on the first spread, frame 78, but the ShinyFinder told me to do 4 taps and 7 flips, and the RNG Reporter told me to do 5 taps and 5 flips. Since I already know that the RNG Reporter never made me miss a spread, I've used its information, and was able to hit my spread and get my shiny squirtle.

The problem is: if I had followed the info on ShinyFinder, I would've got the wrong egg, right? Maybe the author made some mistake, so I had to point this out.

Thanks for reading all this 'grumble' in some language that certainly is not english.
 
Kyon said:
Is there any hope for an RNG Program for the Mac OS?
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I'd like to try to make it work on mono, but time has been short.

Pehu said:
When I've hit my delay, on the fourth try, I pressed ok and generated the DPPt Egg PID (International and Normal). Well, the problem is that both of them had the modest shiny spread on the first spread, frame 78, but the ShinyFinder told me to do 4 taps and 7 flips, and the RNG Reporter told me to do 5 taps and 5 flips. Since I already know that the RNG Reporter never made me miss a spread, I've used its information, and was able to hit my spread and get my shiny squirtle.

The problem is: if I had followed the info on ShinyFinder, I would've got the wrong egg, right? Maybe the author made some mistake, so I had to point this out.
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They're actually both right.

ShinyFinder has you do 10 coin flips to check your seed built into the directions so it evens out.
 
Pehu said:
Well, I have something weird to notify.

I was using the ShinyFinder by MinusOne, to find a shiny Modest Female Squirtle.

Ok, I found one, on delay 598, 2009 06 05, 43 seconds. The ShinyFinder said that I would have to do 4 taps and 7 flips.

I decided that it would be better to be sure about my delay before doing the taps, so I've used a mixed method to achieve this. Instead of going with 6 pokemons, I had 5 on my team, and captured one as soon as I've entered the game. Checked it's IVs, and inserted them on the RNG Reporter.

When I've hit my delay, on the fourth try, I pressed ok and generated the DPPt Egg PID (International and Normal). Well, the problem is that both of them had the modest shiny spread on the first spread, frame 78, but the ShinyFinder told me to do 4 taps and 7 flips, and the RNG Reporter told me to do 5 taps and 5 flips. Since I already know that the RNG Reporter never made me miss a spread, I've used its information, and was able to hit my spread and get my shiny squirtle.

The problem is: if I had followed the info on ShinyFinder, I would've got the wrong egg, right? Maybe the author made some mistake, so I had to point this out.

Thanks for reading all this 'grumble' in some language that certainly is not english.
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It is because you needed to do ten flips ("no more, no less") first to verify your delay, which also happens to advance the IRNG. That makes up the discrepancy between the directions for Shiny Finder and the RNG Reporter. ShinyFinder works fine if you follow what Minus' said to do (:

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Beaten ):
 
hi everyone i recently started to soft reset for a bold uxie, so i find out this RNG guide and after reading it and input data in the RNG reporter>DPPt time finder>DPPt capture, it gives me a C111032D seed with 8 frames, a C5A43D9E PID for a bold 31/23/31/18/31/31
the input was: year 2009
max frame 1000
min/max delays: 800-810
method J
sync nature:bold
nature:bold
IV(==31/none/==31/none/==31/==31)
any ability
no shiny

then clicking in generate times it gives me various options i choose the one with date 2009 12 31, time 17:58:19 and a delay of 804 (the second one from bottom to top).

then i procceded: sync my ds at 17:57, i have a delay of 611 aproximately with 15 seconds, so ((804-611)/60)+15 results in 18.21 seconds, softreset when the clock displays 17:58:07 aproximately and press A in the continue screen at 17:58:19, then i press b to skip the initial journal opening, then open the journal in the menu and look 4 times at the captured pokemon page, then i quit the menu and capture the uxie. i dont exactly know if the starting frame is 0 or 1, because the guide says 1 frame for uxie but i think that if i dont have any roaming pokemon it is 0, so i will be very grateful if you guys give some advice and tips.
 
Yeah, now that makes sense.

I remember something about this, but I was too lazy to do 10 coin flips, and decided to stay on my safe zone. lol

Now, that looks like a easier way to do it. I'll try on the next one. Thanks for your fast replies!
 
k thanks. also for the wondercard spreads how do I know what time and date I have to start or is it irrelevant in Wondercard pokes?

EDIT: Nvm figured it by myself. Wichu's program doesn't work for method J pokes also.
 
Wonder Card SRing

I'm having a crack at Wonder Card SRing, i'm attempting to do the PBR Electivire, as that has a set nature. So following the instructions in the OP, I've used the "Capture Time Finder", Searched using method 1.

0A140262, Frame 24, 31/31/31/9/31/31

Then add two to the frame number, so Frame 26.

I've generated my date and times;
Date; 2010/01/01
Seed to Time 20:00:09
Synchronize Time 19:59:00
Reset Time 19:59:55

on Reset, journal is set to open, displays;

"Jun6. Saturday
Started from Snowpoint City.
Used a PC Box.

Got Druid from Dan Dan.
Got CHILLED from Dan Dan."

I then do 12 flips back and forth onto the next page, which has my captured Azelf on it, which leaves me with one Frame/ RNG advancement to be triggered by one of the NPC's. Which (as long as i've done it right so far...) is my one stumbling block. I know it's a bit of a grey area, but with regards the NPC's, any idea of what movements they do, which advances the RNG?

I've tried picking up my delivery, when say, one turns, or one moves forward. Does every little movement they do advance the RNG?

Any pearls of wisdom would help, as I'm still really new to this RNG manipulation.

Matt
 
Pokethan said:
k thanks. also for the wondercard spreads how do I know what time and date I have to start or is it irrelevant in Wondercard pokes?

EDIT: Nvm figured it by myself. Wichu's program doesn't work for method J pokes also.
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Yes, he wrote that it runs on Method 1. You just have to plug what you get into the RNG Reporter and convert it to Method J yourself :>
 
ClikC said:
I then do 12 flips back and forth onto the next page, which has my captured Azelf on it, which leaves me with one Frame/ RNG advancement to be triggered by one of the NPC's. Which (as long as i've done it right so far...) is my one stumbling block. I know it's a bit of a grey area, but with regards the NPC's, any idea of what movements they do, which advances the RNG?
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Don't rely on NPCs to advance the RNG. Off-screen ones also move (all the NPCs in the town do) so it's not worth the guesswork.
 
Actually, it's not confirmed that ALL the NPCs in town advance the RNG when you are inside of a building, as I've already pointed out.

I used more than 20 minutes to advance the RNG (journal and walking), inside Oak's house in Eterna, and I got my spread on the first try. So, I don't think that NPCs outside of the pokemart will advance the RNG.
 
Pehu said:
Actually, it's not confirmed that ALL the NPCs in town advance the RNG when you are inside of a building, as I've already pointed out.

I used more than 20 minutes to advance the RNG (journal and walking), inside Oak's house in Eterna, and I got my spread on the first try. So, I don't think that NPCs outside of the pokemart will advance the RNG.
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I think they are talking about egg abusing, where you are outside. We know while in a building it is not affected by NPCs outside the building.
 
But if Tase was talking about eggs, why would she quote the post of ClikC, when he was talking about Wondercards?

Logic wins in the end. =D

No problem, Tase. You're not the first one to say that. And, I'm afraid, will not be the last one too.
 
Dizzybanana21x said:
Whenever I try to sweet scent on route 228, it says "the sweet scent faded for some reason". This also happened in Wayward Cave. Why does this happed?
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I assumed it was because of the Sandstorm, as I tried abusing Beldums there, and would have continued if it weren't for the fact that Beldums can only be caught at level 51+. I don't know why Wayward Cave, I assume you can sweet scent in caves but maybe not..
 
Maybe try honey in caves? I know it works in places like mt. coronet but I'm not sure about wayward though, should I go test it?
 
I was going to test but ended up hitting my seed, so I caught my legend. I'm going to explain exactly what I did so I can try and get some clarification on some stuff.

Seed: D609029B

Target frame: 2065 (Method J with sync), 2160 Method 1

So what I did was SS a pokemon initially to verify the seed, then run 1024 steps with a repel on. I then SS another pokemon which was on frame 1646 in method 1, 1637 in method J.

I took the method 1 frame, took 6 from it for Heatran and the SS, then walked 128 steps with 5 party pokemon. in Heatran's cavern to change my frame back to odd. I was now at a frame of 1646 and so did 204 journal flips. I hit my Heatran spot on.

So one thing I'm confused with is that I've always been using the method 1 frame of the wild pokemon, when others use method J. I'm still hitting my target frame so I'm obviously not doing anything wrong.

So what is going to be the difference between what I'm doing here and catching a wild pokemon, not stationary in grass or caves via SSing? What's the difference exactly between 1 and J? Am I actually doing something wrong in using the method 1 frame as my current or am I correct?

I know I have more questions but I'm having a huge mental block right now, so I'll probably edit this with some tests, unless I hit my seed again, lol.
 
oddsok said:
I was going to test but ended up hitting my seed, so I caught my legend. I'm going to explain exactly what I did so I can try and get some clarification on some stuff.

Seed: D609029B

Target frame: 2065 (Method J with sync), 2160 Method 1

So what I did was SS a pokemon initially to verify the seed, then run 1024 steps with a repel on. I then SS another pokemon which was on frame 1646 in method 1, 1637 in method J.

I took the method 1 frame, took 6 from it for Heatran and the SS, then walked 128 steps with 5 party pokemon. in Heatran's cavern to change my frame back to odd. I was now at a frame of 1647 and so did 204 journal flips. I hit my Heatran spot on.

So one thing I'm confused with is that I've always been using the method 1 frame of the wild pokemon, when others use method J. I'm still hitting my target frame so I'm obviously not doing anything wrong.

So what is going to be the difference between what I'm doing here and catching a wild pokemon, not stationary in grass or caves via SSing? What's the difference exactly between 1 and J? Am I actually doing something wrong in using the method 1 frame as my current or am I correct?

I know I have more questions but I'm having a huge mental block right now, so I'll probably edit this with some tests, unless I hit my seed again, lol.
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In your post, something is wrong because you say you're at 1647 and did 204 flips, which is 2055. That is not 2065, probably just a typo somewhere.
The 1637 + 5 for walking is 1648, so you did something wrong since you're not at 1647.

When SS in cave, I think its 8+ previous monsters method 1 frame, and that number will get you your method J pokemon you would get next if you SS again.
 
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