Team 252 *insert stat here*

[Meryl]

Another team I need rated. ^^

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The Team

Here’s a team I’ve been using for quite a while now. It’s been working well, and so far I can only remember one loss out of the many battles I’ve had with this team.

The team is more focused on offense, as you’ll see later when you read through my RMT. I may need advice or suggestions from you guys if you think it’s a big downside to have only one capable wall in this team. But, I don’t know. Maybe the team looks like it could do good without an added wall. You be the judge.


The Details

Starmie@Life Orb
Timid
Natural Cure
EVs: 252SpAtt, 252Speed, 6Hp
Set:
~ Rapid Spin
~ Surf
~ Ice Beam
~ Grass Knot

= I switched TrickStar to this one, the anti-lead. With this set, I can spin away rocks from those suicide SR leads and at the same time render their focus sash useless. This Starmie serves another purpose as well, and that is to hit opponents hard. Thunderbolt was replaced with Grass Knot so I can kill enemy Swamperts.

Gengar@Choice Scarf
Timid
Levitate
EVs: 252SpAtt, 252Speed, 6Hp
Set:
~ Trick
~ Shadowball
~ Thunderbolt
~ Focus Blast

= I changed Mismagius to Gengar, since he's stronger and can utilize the same set my Mismagius had. Trick is to screw up walls, especially when I sense an incoming Blissey. Shadowball and Thunderbolt are sef explanatory, as they give me STAB and coverage respectively. I changed HP Fighting to Focus Blast since you guys were able to convince me. Lol. I just hope the 70 accuracy doesn't hit me hard in crucial moments.

Gliscor@Leftovers
Jolly
Sand Veil
EVs: 206Hp, 88Att, 216Speed
Set:
~ Stealth Rock
~ Earthquake
~ Roost
~ Fire Fang
= Sets up SR, counters Tyranitar (and abuses the SS), and counters Scizor with Fire fang. Jolly nature to outspeed Lucario and KO with Earthquake. This is the same Gliscor in my previous RMT. It pretty much has the same role here. It multitasks by acting as a Physical Wall, SR Supporter, and an attacker (to some extent).

Swampert@Choice Band
Adamant
Torrent
EVs: 252Att, 252Hp, 6Speed
Set:
~ Waterfall
~ Earthquake
~ Ice Punch
~ Stone Edge

= This Swampert awed me when I first used it. Most people suspect a Stealth Rock, but instead they eat a full powered Earthquake or Waterfall, which really places a huge dent on them if not a KO. Ice Punch is there for hitting the Dragons and Stone Edge for the likes of Gyarados. I usually switch Swampert in when I expect an Electric attack.

Scizor@Choice Band
Adamant
Technician
EVs: 252Att, 248Hp, 8Speed
Set:
~ Bullet Punch
~ U-turn
~ Pursuit
~ Super Power

= You all know Choice Band Scizor. He hits hard. REALLY hard. I use Scizor to clean up the weakened opponent Pokemon either by Bullet Punch or by U-turn. Pursuit hits Psychics and Ghosts hard and can be used if I predict that my opponent will switch. Super Power is there if I need to hit something hard if it resists Steel.

Vaporeon@Leftovers
Bold
Water Absorb
EVs: 188Hp, 252Def, 68 Speed
Set:
~ Wish
~ Surf
~ HP Electric
~ Protect

= My Wish Passer and waller. I replaced Umbreon for this since Umbreon isn't too viable in OU without proper support. Anyway, Vappy helps out Gliscor by absorbing Water attacks and resisting Ice moves. And Vappy can also counter Gyrados with HP Electric. Protect is the last move here, for scouting and healing purposes.

Summary

One wall. One “support-ish” special attacker. And four sweepers. Notice I don’t actually have a Rapid Spinner. Well, Stealth Rock doesn’t seem to bother me much since none of them are actually weak against it. I also have a number of immunities: Ground, Poison, Fighting, Normal, Electric, and Psychic.

Should I still add a Rapid Spinner? Also notice that all my EV spreads are just 252 on each needed stat. I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing, but it still worked anyway when I battled with the team.

So give me some rates please. And again, no Rotom forms because this team is again for Wifi. ^^
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[Star Shaper]

In platinum, I would never use Umbreon. It's slower than Scizor, does like 50% with Hidden Power Fire, and has absolutely nothing to hurt it back. It's granting your opponent a free U-Turn. I would use a Zapdos in that spot. It gives you a fighting resistance without being weak to dark, a counter to Scizor that's not U-Turning (but then nothing counters a U-Turning Scizor except having a Pokemon that your opponent isn't prepared for), and a strong electric attack. I like this set

Zapdos@Leftovers
Timid
192 HP/176 Spe/140 SpA
Thunderbolt
HP Grass/HP Ice/U-Turn
Thunderwave/Roar/Substitute
Roost

Faster than Neutral base 100s. Grass for Swampert and Ice for Salamence, but you can also U-Turn to your counters right away. This also gets the better of incoming TTar and Celebi. Thunderwave is great status, Roar so stat ups don't have rough anal sex with you, and Sub/Roost pressure is amazing.

 

[Shizzle]

4 choice users is a little much dont u think, and wouldnt the anti lead starmie work better, as you can also get rid of rocks with rapid spin while still being to 2HKO metagross with Hydro Pump.

Cant see a reason not to run Scarf Gengar over Scarf Mismagius, it has more power and speed, which is what you want on a scarf sweeper, as well as Focus Blast.

Roserade??? Toxic Spikes is pointless with the amount of steels out there, and Roserade isnt exactly great in OU anyway. Also scizor completely fucks this set up, perhaps switch toxic spikes to HP Fire?

Swampert, i cant see this doing much, it will be apparent that this is a choice band set after using Ice Punch / Stone Edge, and will give your opponent a free switch, and i dont see the need for a CBset when you have CBzor anyway, so perhaps change this to the standard set so you can get rocks down.

Scizor, Change EVs to 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe [248 HP will leave you wih more HP then 252 EVs after 2 switch ins or something]

Umbreon - this set will never work in OU, and i dont see the point in even considering Umbreon unless you are using for mean look passing, as the fucking NO. 1 USED POKEMON USES UMBREON AS ITS FUCKING BITCH, scizor completely owns umbreon, and with curse, umbreon is just set up bait for scizor to come in and U-Turn.

 

[Meryl]

@Shizzle,

I'll fix Scizor's EVs then.

I will consider Gengar. But the accuracy of Focus Blast bothers me. Should I just use Explosion? Or deal with the low accuracy?

As for Roserade, I am willing to change it to something else. Maybe a Spiker (including SR) and Rapid Spinner. And well, I chose the Band Swampert set because it seemed less predictable. I'll think about it first.

If I will remove Umbreon, maybe I can replace it with another Wish passer? Or should I stick with the Zapdos suggested by Star shaper?

 

[Shizzle]

If you are REALLY worried about focus blasts accuracy, you can give gengar HP Fighting, still stronger than Mismags, but for 70 Fightning you need 30 IV Spe, so you will lose some scarf speed ties. And dont consider explosion unless its over trick, the moveset should be something like
~ThunderBolt
~Shadow Ball
~Focus Blast / Hidden Power [Fighting] / Hidden Power [Ice]
~Trick / Destiny Bond / Explosion <<use hasty

For Wish passing blissey or vaporeon do a good job. The tricky thing is finding one which will work well with a stealth rocker, perhaps Jolly Gliscor? Will give another Lucario check as well as some bulk. But i am not sure here.

 

[Meryl]

If you are REALLY worried about focus blasts accuracy, you can give gengar HP Fighting, still stronger than Mismags, but for 70 Fightning you need 30 IV Spe, so you will lose some scarf speed ties. And dont consider explosion unless its over trick, the moveset should be something like
~ThunderBolt
~Shadow Ball
~Focus Blast / Hidden Power [Fighting] / Hidden Power [Ice]
~Trick / Destiny Bond / Explosion <<use hasty

For Wish passing blissey or vaporeon do a good job. The tricky thing is finding one which will work well with a stealth rocker, perhaps Jolly Gliscor? Will give another Lucario check as well as some bulk. But i am not sure here.

Hmm... Okay. I'll use:
Thunderbolt
Shadowball
HP Fighting
Trick

As for wish passing... I pick Vappy, and as for the stealth rocker, gliscor would do, since I have an EV'd one with me here.

I'll edit the first post later on. Thanks for the suggestions. ^^

EDIT: By the way, you mentioned "anti-lead Starmie"... Which set is that?

EDIT 2: Never mind. I found it. Looks good. I'll use it too.

 

[Toxic Torture]

I find that HP Fire is much more effective on Gengar, but it is hard to use on ScarfGar. I would recommend changing it to a SubGar, switch in on something afraid of gengar, set-up as sub as they send in their Scizor (happens at least 50% of the time) and nail it with HP Fire for the easy OHKO.

 

[ToF]

If you change Scarf Gengar to a Substitute + Life Orb variant, then you become pretty Dragon Dance Salamence weak. Scizor is your only way of really touching it, and if Salamence is paired with Magnezone, you're out of luck. Keep Scarf Gengar on the team to serve as your revenge-killing needs.

One semi-problem is CB Tyranitar. It can hit a lot of your team hard, with Scizor and Gliscor (barring a Stone Edge critical hit) being the only 'checks'. I'd definitely consider giving Swampert 252 HP EV's instead of 252 Speed EV's. What is the speed for anyway, what are you aiming to outspeed with that pitiful speed stat anyway? It's really a waste of EV's, and you'd be much better off with giving Swampert as much bulk as possible to take random physical and special attacks.

Oh, I completely didn't see this, but drop HP Fighting on Gengar for Focus Blast. Although the accuracy is indeed terrible, the increase in power is really helpful, especially on something like Tyranitar (who you always have a chance to KO with Focus Blast, but never will with Hidden Power Fighting).

Since you have Scarf Gengar to serve as a solid revenge-killer, I feel that Wish and Protect will be most beneficial on Vaporeon. Also run Surf and Hidden Power Electric, because from my assessment, Gyarados is a bigger problem to this team than Salamence or Flygon.

Everything else looks good, good luck.

 

[Meryl]

@Twist of Fate,
Alright. I changed Swampert's EVs from 252 Speed to 252 Hp. Vappy will keep Protect.

As for Gengar, so tempting. Lol. But okay, I'll try out Focus Blast again.


Edited the first post.

 

[Sandal8]

Your team looks fine, to me. For Gengar, I'd drop HP Fighting for Focus Blast; sure, it has piss-poor accuracy and will let you down every time, but Gengar needs it to OHKO Tyranitar. Especially for revenge kills, where it'd be better to take the miss chance vs. a garunteed 2HKO, where Gengar will be eaten alive.

252 In a stat doesn't mean it's bad, it just tends towards fewer roles; I see each of your team members is pretty specialized for either sweeping or walling, so 252's fine. You're playing high risk/reward, as opposed to more "balanced" but "weaker" EVs.

Infernape with Grass Knot and HP Ice could be a problem, but I'm not sure what you'd do to fix that. It is pretty glaring though, because it deals huge damage to 2/3rds of your team.

Even more reason to run Focus Blast! Still, your team's very solid; where did you get the pictures?

 

[Meryl]

Okay, Focus Blast it is. I'll have to test this team out now, since I had to do some major changes.

And the pics I got from a japanese website. If you want to know, I can PM you the site. ^^