New and "creative" moveset/EV spread thread. Mk. 4

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(Dragonite) @ leftovers
Moveset Name: BoahNite
: Substitute
: Dragon Pulse
: Flamethrower
: Focus Punch
Ability:Inner Focus
Nature(s): Rash or Quiet (-SpD or -Spe?)
EVs: 196 HP/112 AtK/200 SpA

This functions very similarly to tyraniboah of the third gen, but it has (arguably) superior typing. Send it in on one of its many resists or after one of your pokemon faints, substitute as they are likely to switch to their mence/nite counter. Attack accordingly: Flamethrower handles steels such as scizor and metagross who would come in on outrage. It also handles the ice types looking to use their deadly STAB. Second, Dragon pulse is there for coverage and really does some damage to other dragons looking to come in (for what ever reason). It is also just a move type that has great coverage. And the crux of this set, Focus Punch, handles everything with its monster 150 BP and since you are most likely behind a sub, you will get it off. And obviously, Blissey and snorlax cannot wall this set now. Give me some feedback on this!
 
What do you guys think of this one

Togekiss @ FlameOrb
Serence Grace, Bold Nature, 128hp, 255 def, 127 sp.def

-Air slash
-Psycho Shift
-Trick
-Roost

I use this on shoddy as my lead and it catches people off guard like hell. First turn i slash just to blow a turn to activate burn orb. Second turn depends, I psycho shift the burn to other pkmn to scout for lefties and trick orb afterwards. either way i have at least 2 pkmn burned after.
 
blasphemy1 said:
Any Dragonite using the Substitute + Focus Punch combination is inherentely inferior to the standard mixed set.
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Not necessarily. Substitute gives you a nice buffer to not just use focus punch, but to use any of the attacks. It is especially useful to turn the tables on ice shard users
 
When you are using Substitute, Stealth Rock is going to add up. By using Substitute, you could be at 56.25% up against something like Gyarados, which doesn't care about any of your attacks, when you could have Draco Meteor'd or Thunderbolt'd it. Does it ease prediction? Yes. Is it still inferior? Yes.
 
blasphemy1 said:
When you are using Substitute, Stealth Rock is going to add up. By using Substitute, you could be at 56.25% up against something like Gyarados, which doesn't care about any of your attacks, when you could have Draco Meteor'd or Thunderbolt'd it. Does it ease prediction? Yes. Is it still inferior? Yes.
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But it's entirely likely that I could be running Thunderbolt instead of Flamethrower and because of that, I don't know many people that would switch a Gyarados into a dragonite...
 
I've been thinking of developing another new Dewgong moveset (he is part of my top 3 pokemon).

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Dewgong @ Leftovers/Wide Lens/Damp Rock - Disabler
Nature : ??? EVS : 252 HP/???
~ Disable
~ Encore/Rest
~ Rain Dance
~ Surf

Probably a more better team player than the set given in the Strategy Pokedex. (Even though it is still under testing) The set works like this:

If you used Encore...

First, Dewgong is fairly slow so it could utilize Disable. Predict your enemy if they're carrying a super-effective move, if it hits you, pray Disable hits, meaning, they can't use that move to you. and on the mind of your opponent, they'll have to use the "other moves" of that certain Pokemon, or just switch out, you can now have time to set up Rain Dance, which boosts your STAB Surf, which will be vital in your next rounds. Now, prediction will be your best friend. If you think that they'll just stay in, use Encore, and then switch to an appropriate counter, but if you predict they'll switch out, use Surf.

You could alternate the bold words. :naughty: (or you could actually just hit with Surf and then Rain Dance on the switch)

If you used Rest....

This is a more defensive and more harder thing to use than the Encorer, just use the 1st step, and the second, Rain Dance. and then if you're hit hard, use Rest, or if you're unharmed, use Surf or switch. Musch more complicated things here, since you don't have any Encore to protect you.

Please tell me your negative comments (or positive, if there's any to be squeezed here), or you can just help me. :D Thanks. :toast:
 
husk said:
@MetaNite: No, I haven't tried sky uppercut but the point of superpower is to hit things neutral really hard (machamp, togekiss). Also I'm not sure if sky uppercut ohkos bliss or magnezone. Scizor rarely tries to BP but I mean if it's a straight OHKO even without the def down of superpower (this has never happened to me) then I guess you should switch out.
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I apologize, I messed up my calculation of Choice Band Scizor's Bullet Punch. I inputted Breloom's SpA instead of actual Defense. It takes 87% at maximum, which means it survives all the time. And with Posion Heal, its very likely Breloom's health is at max.

Jimbo- said:
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(Dragonite) @ leftovers
Moveset Name: BoahNite
: Substitute
: Dragon Pulse
: Flamethrower
: Focus Punch
Ability:Inner Focus
Nature(s): Rash or Quiet (-SpD or -Spe?)
EVs: 196 HP/112 AtK/200 SpA

This functions very similarly to tyraniboah of the third gen, but it has (arguably) superior typing. Send it in on one of its many resists or after one of your pokemon faints, substitute as they are likely to switch to their mence/nite counter. Attack accordingly: Flamethrower handles steels such as scizor and metagross who would come in on outrage. It also handles the ice types looking to use their deadly STAB. Second, Dragon pulse is there for coverage and really does some damage to other dragons looking to come in (for what ever reason). It is also just a move type that has great coverage. And the crux of this set, Focus Punch, handles everything with its monster 150 BP and since you are most likely behind a sub, you will get it off. And obviously, Blissey and snorlax cannot wall this set now. Give me some feedback on this!
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This does not function at all like tyraniboah, as boah has in effect 154 base Special Defense (Sandstorm) giving it many many many oppurtunities to set up on opposing Pokemon, as well as 101 Hit Point Substitutes to set up on Blissey. While Dragonite will be forced out very soon. You see, boah can beat many of Tyranitar's counters such as Hippowdon, Skarmory, Forretress, and more frail ones such as Lucario and Machamp. Dragonite beats the same Pokemon, but most of them aren't its counters. Those would be Swampert, Suicune, Bronzong which Dragonite does not beat without Draco Meteor.

Poor Dragonite, it wants to mimic Salamence and now Tyranitar =(
 
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Yanmega @ Focus Sash
Moveset name : Yangiga
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Spd/252 SAtk
Rash nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Bug Buzz
- Air Slash
- Protect
- Reversal

I always found speed evs on yanmega useless and I could never find a move for the fourth moveslot that I liked. So I came up with this, it always cripples or kills 2-3 opponent's pokemon and once I even 6-0 with it. Oh and this is an OU lead.
 
So I guess it goes Attack (while the opponent uses Stealth Rock), Protect, Attack, (take the hit with Focus Sash), and either Protect or sweep? It could work, but then it'd be very easily killed by Sandstorm or a priority attack.
 
I got no feedback 47 days ago because everyone was too excited with a lead quagsire set
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Name: Double Status + Sub
Move 1: Substitute
Move 2: Will-o-wisp
Move 3: Hydro Pump
Move 4: Discharge
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 Spe

This is a rotom I've used on a few of my teams to great success.

It's pretty easy to predict switches if you're against gyarados or metagross and get a sub up, and you can sub to beat 212 spe adamant breloom to the spore and adamant ttar to the pursuit with a burn (or a sub to scout, then burn) followed by a hydro pump. Blissey hates subs too.

looks pretty straightforward to me
 
I suggest going with Sub/FP/Tbolt/Draco Meteor if you plan on going subpunch. Thunderbolt hits bulky waters + Skarmory. Scizor wont be switching into Dragonite anyway, and Forretress will fall to Thunderbolt without doing anything anyway.
 
Magio said:
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Yanmega @ Focus Sash
Moveset name : Yangiga
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Spd/252 SAtk
Rash nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Bug Buzz
- Air Slash
- Protect
- Reversal

I always found speed evs on yanmega useless and I could never find a move for the fourth moveslot that I liked. So I came up with this, it always cripples or kills 2-3 opponent's pokemon and once I even 6-0 with it. Oh and this is an OU lead.
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What do the four EVs in Speed make this Yanmega outrun? They don't let Yanmega get the jump on anything, and would be better off in its Defense. Don't put them in HP though, as that will make Yanmega's HP even.

This looks like a good set. The most common switch-ins to Yanmega are Heatran and Blissey and Reversal hits for SE damage on both. This Yanmega would work well on a team with Celebi or Shaymin, since Celebi and Shaymin appreciate this Yanmega's ability to remove their top two counters.
 
Interesting Idea here...

Sometimes, when you pick a team member, but can't find particular uses for it that it fulfills by itself, sometimes making it solely a surprise gimmick for your opponent can immediately shut down their attempt to counter you. The idea I had that went along with when using Pokemon like Latias is that Latias is extremely susceptible to Pursuit users, and is unable to beat the majority of them when using obvious sets. To make Latias a killer to these Pokemon, simply adding two optional moves along with Substitute make revenge killing Pursuit users a sort of gimmick by itself. One would think that a Pokemon able to beat it's common counters as its primary role is fascinating, and Latias has that potential.

Here is the set that either OHKO's or 2HKO's Latias's counters Tyranitar, Scizor, and the Ice Shard users Mamoswine and Weavile:
(Not sure about Tyranitar, as it depends on your chosen item as well as Tyranitar's investments in Special Defense and HP)​

Latias @ Leftovers/Life Orb - Timid/Modest
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
-Substitute
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-HP Fire/Grass Knot
-Grass Knot/Calm Mind/Dragon Pulse
-Calm Mind/Dragon Pulse/Recover​

As I said, I'm not sure if Tyranitar is 2HKO'ed by Grass Knot either way with or without Life Orb, if someone can take the time to figure that out for me, that would be nice to confirm otherwise. However, Metagross, Scizor, Magnezone and such are OHKO'ed or 2HKO'ed by HP Fire. Being faster than all of her counters makes Latias ideal for revenge killing those responsible for doing it to her. I've given this thing a try, and swiftly removed the one counter most people produced, Scizor. Grass Knot also lets Latias pwn Swampert out of nowhere. Blissey remains the one reliable switch in, as Latias without Trick cannot do much, and Blissey wins if Latias decides to start a CM war without Refresh, and she loses as well without Recover if Blissey is using Seismic Toss. Because Latias cannot make 101 Subs out of 364 Max HP, she cannot hope to duplicate Jirachi and beat Blissey. However, having 22 more speed points means something! Someone try this set for me!​
 
Not very creative at all but I find this slightly more reliable as a lead than the endeavor version:

Mamoswine @ Focus Sash
Snow Cloak
4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Ice Shard
-Bite

I like this a bit more than the Endeavor version. Yeah it still loses to Infernape (though sometimes I manage to switch to Rotom for the fake out and switch back on the SR), Metagross (unless I get lucky with EQ), and doesn't deal with stuff like Bronzong, Swampert as well since there in no endeavor (though they often fear it).

However, this does one thing quite well and that is reliably beat Azelf with Bite+Ice Shard and then set up SR, while being able to beat Heatran (the reason why I choose this over Metagross). Also, with people fearing endeavor, Rotom is a fairly popular switch in. Bite does quite a number to them too, which helps because I do like Rotom to get weakened.

Perhaps a bit too specific to use though. Very useful for my team.
 
blasphemy1 said:
Problem with SubPunch Dragonite is A)weak to ice, B)Subs broken by Seismic Toss, C)He has access to Superpower.
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Because he is immune to ice without Substitute -_-

I think the set is fine if you have a Wisher or SR supporter, and no one is going to expect it. Focus Punch is more powerful than Superpower, doesn't reduce stats, and the sub will prevent status, which Dnite is almost useless with any status.

The use of a fire move vs. an elec move is totally dependent on your team, if you already have a decent counter for Gyarados then a fire move will suffice.
 
Pollux-Castor said:
Because he is immune to ice without Substitute -_-

I think the set is fine if you have a Wisher or SR supporter, and no one is going to expect it. Focus Punch is more powerful than Superpower, doesn't reduce stats, and the sub will prevent status, which Dnite is almost useless with any status.

The use of a fire move vs. an elec move is totally dependent on your team, if you already have a decent counter for Gyarados then a fire move will suffice.
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No, he is weak to ice under all conditions, however, you must protect yourself from attacks through use of Substitutes, which, since he is weak to ice, break, and thus he won't ever kill Blissey as easily as the standard mixed set. Blissey commonly carries Ice Beam. I figured the situation was pretty easy to comprehend, nobody else needed to be spoonfed.
 
who would keep a Blissey in on a Dragonite or better yet who would switch a Blissey in on a Dragonite. Also Roost allowes you to come in more often than you think.
 
xdevo13 said:
who would keep a Blissey in on a Dragonite or better yet who would switch a Blissey in on a Dragonite. Also Roost allowes you to come in more often than you think.
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It really isn't very difficult. Dry passing from Espeon or Jolteon, or a simple double-switch. Yes, Roost is a good thing, however, if Blissey decides to switch in on a Roost, knowing you have SubPunch > Superpower, have fun switching something in to absorb a Thunder Wave /' Toxic. Fighting + Dragon is great coverage, but you won't be doing enough to things like Celebi, Scizor, Skarmory, Metagross, Jirachi, or Bronzong.
 
You can just sub up on blisey as you will always out speed any that don't invest a lot in their speed (which only 2.3% invest any in their speed) and also why would anyone dry pass away from a Dragonite that can use that turn to sub or use a focus punch that can basically nueter any normal switch to Dragonite ( and this is a set that salamence can't do).
Also jolteon (and espeon are both faster than dragonite and therfore dry passing out would either leave you with a sub against a bliss or a bliss that had taken a very powerful Focus punch.
 
dachickens said:
That being said, this set might work. I suggest Dragon Claw in the third slot to make it look something like this:

- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Punch / Roost

Fire + Dragon + Fighting is unresisted, while Roost allows Dragonite to last longer. No idea on the EV spread, though SubPunchers generally don't need much speed.
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I like this, but would Outrage work instead of Dragon Claw?? I mean, if you're behind a sub, you don't really fear getting revenge killed too much, unless you're locked in for 3 turns.
 
The only problem is your stuck using the move while they bring a steel in that walls your outrage and breaks your sub and then forces you to switch out loseing another 25% on the switch in (if stealth rocks are up)
 
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