Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

soulblade said:
yeah i tried whit pressing X and i think i can stop it from moving.
So last question: Does the rain change the RNG?
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Well frames are animation sequance, tough im not sure, it say in the front page each aspect of the game that changes the RNG, it must be listed there.

You succesfully completed the RNG for Legends right? If you've done the callibration phase before, you can immediatly go to the time Finder, is this correct?
 
Dark-Ryu said:
Thanks man, you are awesome.
Just one more question, those 2 frames that i bolded are only if i have a defeated pokemon when i open the journal, right?
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yes I believe that is correct. I've always had a captured or defeated pokemon on same day anyways.
 
Expert Evan said:
yes I believe that is correct. I've always had a captured or defeated pokemon on same day anyways.
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Okay, thanks a lot man! I really appreciate it :)
So for Ghastly i just need to substract the initial frame and one frame for sweet scent, right?

lets say that its frame 544
I substarct one initial frame and one for sweet scent

542 = 271 flips
so i don't need to walk or turn around, right?
 
TEST 101 said:
Well frames are animation sequance, tough im not sure, it say in the front page each aspect of the game that changes the RNG, it must be listed there.

You succesfully completed the RNG for Legends right? If you've done the callibration phase before, you can immediatly go to the time Finder, is this correct?
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yeah it's correct.
Anyway the only thing i found about weather is this:
mingot said:
Research Needed

Does "weather" advance the IRNG? People have reporter issues with coin flips not matching in weather zones, so verify how/if the IRNG is advanced.
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It says IRNG so i should be fine, i'll try to catch that scyther.
 
Dark-Ryu said:
Okay, thanks a lot man! I really appreciate it :)
So for Ghastly i just need to substract the initial frame and one frame for sweet scent, right?

lets say that its frame 544
I substarct one initial frame and one for sweet scent

542 = 271 flips
so i don't need to walk or turn around, right?
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if sweet scenting, no need to.

start frame = 1
+ 542 = 543
+ sweet scent = 544
 
Expert Evan said:
if sweet scenting, no need to.

start frame = 1
+ 542 = 543
+ sweet scent = 544
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Thanks :D
Now i want to catch some gyarados
If i get the magikarp at the first try with the rod, it advances one frame?


For example, if my traget frame is 544

Starting frame = 1
Old Rod = 1

542 frames remaining = 271 flips

am i right?
 
if rod fails, then it advances one frame at a time. You are actually much better off using the RNG reporter by right clicking on desired Method J spreads in search and it will tell you by slot and whether it's a catch or not even a nibble along with a link to the encounter pages by game to translate what those slots mean.
 
Expert Evan said:
if rod fails, then it advances one frame at a time. You are actually much better off using the RNG reporter by right clicking on desired Method J spreads in search and it will tell you by slot and whether it's a catch or not even a nibble along with a link to the encounter pages by game to translate what those slots mean.
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How is that o_o?

I don't want to complicate my life, so let say that I get my magikarp in the first try

and my traget frame is 544

i always have 1 starting frame, right?
I save giving my back to the lake, so ill have to turn around for fish, so it will be -1 frame
If yes I substract the two frames = 542
= 217 flips

o.o?
 
Probably easiest when surfing to do as follows:

Target frame is 544, not even a nibble
next target frame is 546, turn around in opposite direction without moving, then fish rod

oh first fishing attempt will start at frame 4.

Hmmm, all those hours people spent breeding for flawless magikarps have now long been outclassed by our dive ball, net ball, great ball, premier ball, etc. magikarps/gyarados.
 
Expert Evan said:
Probably easiest when surfing to do as follows:

Target frame is 544, not even a nibble
next target frame is 546, turn around in opposite direction without moving, then fish rod

oh first fishing attempt will start at frame 4.

Hmmm, all those hours people spent breeding for flawless magikarps have now long been outclassed by our dive ball, net ball, great ball, premier ball, etc. magikarps/gyarados.
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Ok, so I don't have a starting frame in this case?
In your example if i would get at my first try the magikarp id hit the correct delay right?

EDITING: You just edit with 4 frames xD
so i have 544 - 4 frames

540 = 270 flips

and then i fish = 544 frames

right?
 
Dark-Ryu said:
How is that o_o?

I don't want to complicate my life, so let say that I get my magikarp in the first try

and my traget frame is 544

i always have 1 starting frame, right?
I save giving my back to the lake, so ill have to turn around for fish, so it will be -1 frame
If yes I substract the two frames = 542
= 217 flips

o.o?
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Then take EE's advice and use the built in functionality of RNG Reporter.

No, you don't. Read the OP for the starting frame for fishing, because you have it all wrong.
Dark-Ryu said:
EDITING: You just edit with 4 frames xD
so i have 544 - 4 frames

540 = 270 flips

and then i fish = 544 frames

right?
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Close, but how do you know you will a) get a nibble b) that it will be a magikarp?
 
mingot said:

Then take EE's advice and use the built in functionality of RNG Reporter.

No, you don't. Read the OP for the starting frame for fishing, because you have it all wrong.



Close, but how do you know you will a) get a nibble b) that it will be a magikarp?
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Dunno >.<
Im doing in that way cause im going for a very low frame in case that i mess the frames.

I already read the OP about the fishing, but i couldnt find what happens if i get the pokemon at the first try without getting the advertisments of "not even a nible"
 
Expert Evan said:
if rod fails, then it advances one frame at a time. You are actually much better off using the RNG reporter by right clicking on desired Method J spreads in search and it will tell you by slot and whether it's a catch or not even a nibble along with a link to the encounter pages by game to translate what those slots mean.
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This.
 
Rephraising my question because my other was not really well explained..

The Pokemon found in Method J...do they're IV, nature ect...change over different years OR does only theit delay change?
 
mingot said:
What happens when you get no shiny? Wrong nature or correct nature?

Also, when you unchecked shiny only did you simply collect the first few eggs without doing Poketch application taps and they did not match RNG Reporter output?

Also it really does seem like your SID is wrong if you missed a 2 coin flip Pokemon.
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To make things short...

Tried to hatch a shiny - it was about 85 Happiness double-taps and 3 coin flips. The RNG Reporter said that I was about to meet a Quirky shiny. Did the method, got the egg, hatched it and got a normal Bidoof with a Lax nature. I'm absolutely sure that this time NOTHING was wrong. Double-taps, coin flips, ID, SID, Date, Time, Nature and Characteristic of Pokémon caught at the beginning - nothing wrong.

Tried to verify if the SID is the problem - catched a lv.50+ Pokémon, inserted the infos in the RNG Reporter, unchecked "Shiny Only". Got the frames. Frame 1 was a Jolly, frame 2 was a Modest, frame 3 was a Naive. Got three eggs and hatched them. The first was a Brave Bidoof, the second a Quirky Bidoof, the third a Sassy Bidoof.

You see, in my opinion the problem isn't the SID. If the SID was wrong, I would have hatched non-shiny Bidoofs but with correct natures. If even the natures are wrong, that means that the problem is somewhere else.
 
LightningFusion said:
Do you have international parents or using an everstone? If not then you have the date or time between the ds and RNG reporter wrong.
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I've said before that both the parents are from the same cartdrige (the one I'm trying to do this method on). No everstone. And I'm 100% sure that the date/time are right between RngR and DS. Moreover, if the date or the time is wrong, the program will fail at calculating the inital seed, no?
 
Neku89 said:
I've said before that both the parents are from the same cartdrige (the one I'm trying to do this method on). No everstone. And I'm 100% sure that the date/time are right between RngR and DS. Moreover, if the date or the time is wrong, the program will fail at calculating the inital seed, no?
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If certain things are off by 1 or more they can still come back with seeds that aren't yours. Try testing changing the mintues by 1 in RNG reporter and then generate seed, you will notice what changes.

The fact that the first three weren't equal to the 3 you got means you have the wrong seed in RNG reporter or advanced the IRNG in game, like by having app 6 open when starting the game up instead of 5.
 
Would you happen to be doing anything in/visiting a zone with weather during any part of your process? Also, in general, yes it would just fail to find a seed if you got the time or date wrong.
 
I have always wondered, does ID affect your spreads? Because I am having alot of trouble finding good IV wild Pokemon, I tought I might have to switch games..
 
mingot said:
Only shiny spreads, otherwise it does not.
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So everyone has the same chance of getting a good legendary spread then huh? Hmmm...I can't seem to find any good ones tough, is there a way to augment your chance of having good Method J spread? Iv'e tried incresing the number distance between the min/max delays and augmenting the frame capacity but....and does changing years affect the IV's/Nature or only the delays?
 
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