Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

Yea, you really can't tell whether you got the right delay without the coin-flips. The coin-flip sequence is a good way of knowing how close you are to the target delay, because I believe you hit most of the coin-flips correct the closer you are to the delay. If my first or second coin-flip turns bad, I assume I was off from my delay by quite a lot.

The coin-toss app is obtained at Hotel Grand Lake located south of Valor Lakefront. It requires Rock Climb to reach this house sheltering a man that provides this application.

If your RNG recorder generated your frame and such with the assumption of a synchronizer being present, the synchronizer must be on the 1st slot when fighting Regigigas. You can give it smoke ball to run away from other wild Pokemon.

Oh yes about the coin flip question. I have the app in my game and have the RNG reporter and know how many flips I am supposed to get, but I thought there was an application in the RNG reporter that would find what you actually hit by you inputting the coin flips that you happened to get. That's what I can't seem to find.

I might just be confabulating this though.

But thanks! :D

Oh and about the synchronizer, I didn't include it in the reporter's calculations, so I just stuck it in the second slot. I was wondering if that would somehow screw with the process or something.

And also, I have been getting the 1st 2-4 flips right some of the time, but I was just chalking that up to luck or something.
 
because I believe you hit most of the coin-flips correct the closer you are to the delay. If my first or second coin-flip turns bad, I assume I was off from my delay by quite a lot.

This is completely not true.

So apparently I'm doing something wrong. I haven't been able to hit my seed in like 15 tries. Thankfully, it only takes like 3-4 minutes a try so I haven't wasted too much time.

You can either use the flip finder for adjacents on the Seed->Time dialog OR capature the regigas and get your initial seed from him.

"2. Once in game, unless capturing something with a very low frame number, you will want to verify that you have correctly hit your target time and delay. The easiest way to do this is to use the coin flip trick as explained in the "Common information for Breeding and Capturing Perfect Pokémon" section. If you miss your target time and delay, immediately capture a Pokémon and use the initial seed finder to figure out what time and delay you actually hit."
 
3B090283, Frame 5: 31/11/31/31/31/30 (Ice 70)

Date |Time | Delay
2009 08 05 | 09:05:14 | 634

My average seconds reset is 14, with a delay between 600-631

I followed the emloop guide, though when resetting to catch a pokemon to adjust my delay, it ran out before I made it to the continue screen.( Though I think it should do that right?)
I also changed my seconds like it said. since the yellow box said 10 seconds, I changed it to 10 seconds (in the rng reporter)( This may be where I messed up? Since I dont know if I understood and did that correctly)
Then changed my time to 1 minute before target time, reset, got my seed and delay, then I adjusted my Delay, (In this case 634-604=30, 634+30= 664.
I then reset again after changing my target time and the like but my emloop timer still ended before I could get to the screen time, can someone tell me what I am doing wrong
 
This is completely not true.



You can either use the flip finder for adjacents on the Seed->Time dialog OR capature the regigas and get your initial seed from him.

"2. Once in game, unless capturing something with a very low frame number, you will want to verify that you have correctly hit your target time and delay. The easiest way to do this is to use the coin flip trick as explained in the "Common information for Breeding and Capturing Perfect Pokémon" section. If you miss your target time and delay, immediately capture a Pokémon and use the initial seed finder to figure out what time and delay you actually hit."

Thank you. I'll do this and see how far off I was if I miss again. Is there any point to going through the calibrating steps again?

Oh, and the only flip finder I found was in the egg IVs tab. Is that the one to use?
 
Thank you. I'll do this and see how far off I was if I miss again. Is there any point to going through the calibrating steps again?

Oh, and the only flip finder I found was in the egg IVs tab. Is that the one to use?

No, there is one in the seed to time dialog. Check my sig. See if that is the version of RNG reporter you are running. If not, update.
 
Sorry to post so much, but I think I might be close now.

My target time is 10:23:00 and the delay is 626 the date is 2009 01 03 The frame I want is 474. My SR time is consistently 13-14 seconds, so I'm pretty sure I know when to SR. And my Delay is usually 620-630 pretty tight too.

I did it all and the coin flips came up bad, so I caught regigigas and plugged his info into a new RNG reporter (newest version) and got 0 seconds and a delay of 618.

Does 0 seconds mean that I hit my time right, but missed my delay?

Is there anything I can do to "adjust" to hit the delay better, like maybe pause for a millisecond (yeah like that's possible) longer on the continue screen? Or am I close and should I just keep trying till I hit it?

[edit]

BTW, thanks so much for your guidance everyone! :D
 
Sorry to post so much, but I think I might be close now.

I did it all and the coin flips came up bad, so I caught regigigas and plugged his info into a new RNG reporter (newest version) and got 0 seconds and a delay of 618.

Does 0 seconds mean that I hit my time right, but missed my delay?
Yes.
Is there anything I can do to "adjust" to hit the delay better, like maybe pause for a millisecond (yeah like that's possible) longer on the continue screen? Or am I close and should I just keep trying till I hit it?
Just keep trying, if it's within your normal range, you'll get it.
 
Yes.
Just keep trying, if it's within your normal range, you'll get it.

Hey, thanks for the confirmation. I actually just hit my seed according to the 10 flips like right after I read your post. You probably know how good it feels to actually hit it for the 1st time don't you! ;D Now to turn off the radio and hopefully not miscount my page flips.

Wish me luck! XD

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Just to confirm:

Game: Pearl
Frame I want: 474
-Monster #: 1
-Roamers(mes): 1
adv needed: 472

I've got a page set up in my journal on Y where I caught a perugly the day before. I just need to flip into it (that's 2 advancements) out of it (no advancements) and back into it (another 2 advancements) until I reach 472?
 
Hmmmmm... dang.

Looking for Jolly 30/31/31/18/31/31
Got Lonely 30/18/30/2/30/10 (at least according to serebii's)

While not a useless gigas, it's not what I was shooting for. :/

Any Idea how I could figure out where I went wrong? Maybe miscounted 1-2 page flips? The seed coin flips were 10/10.

I've still got the gigas in my party.
 
If your sure you hit your seed, put it on Method J and generate the list. then search through to see what frame you actually landed on.


Does anyone know why it seems like I can't find my initial seed?
I'm saved in front of Uxie, set the clock, and use emloop. Then I catch uxie to see what delay I actually hit. Every single time the date or time is wrong. Except it isn't. I'm 100% sure it's right, I've tried it a couple of times now, setting the clock each time. I've tried 1 minute before and 1 minute after. It's very frustrating.
 
3B090283, Frame 5: 31/11/31/31/31/30 (Ice 70)

Date |Time | Delay
2009 08 05 | 09:05:14 | 634

My average seconds reset is 14, with a delay between 600-631

I followed the emloop guide, though when resetting to catch a pokemon to adjust my delay, it ran out before I made it to the continue screen.( Though I think it should do that right?)
I also changed my seconds like it said. since the yellow box said 10 seconds, I changed it to 10 seconds (in the rng reporter)( This may be where I messed up? Since I dont know if I understood and did that correctly)
Then changed my time to 1 minute before target time, reset, got my seed and delay, then I adjusted my Delay, (In this case 634-604=30, 634+30= 664.
I then reset again after changing my target time and the like but my emloop timer still ended before I could get to the screen time, can someone tell me what I am doing wrong

Can someone help me out?
 
When I just plugged the gigas's stats into serebii's calculator I got this
30/18/30/2/30/10

I put these IVs into the capture tab of the time finder and searched under method 1 for "close" matches I found this
31/18/31/2/31/11
Plus it says it's frame is 475 and I was shooting for 474 so it's only 1 away. Now by 474 I realize you subtract 1 for gigas and 1 for Mespirit (my only roamer).

Problem is I don't know what could have pushed it 1 advancement farther? I was obviously in a cave with wild pokemon, but I was saved standing right in front of it and all I did was
  • SR
  • coin flip 10 times to verify (correct flips)
  • press Y to open my journal (no captures/battles on opening page)
  • pressed A once to bring up the "caught perugly" page
  • pressed B once to go back to the 1st page
  • Repeated and counted this 236 times (should=472 advancements)
Am I missing something that could have advanced me one extra? I was literally saved right up against gigas, but I may have hit like "up" one time possibly but I don't think I did. Could that have advanced me one extra? Or am I not figuring something in to my math?

[edit]
Also, it seems when I clicked Generate in the time finder to find that spread I decided upon I had "Method 1" selected. Could this have thrown everything off? I did confirm my seed with flips and am pretty sure I only flipped the journal 236 times to advance the RNG. And I did find the spread I actually got 1 advancement ahead when searching for it with "Method 1" selected.
 
On the floor with Regigigas, are there wild pokémon on the non-ice ground tiles?

Yeah, when walking up to Gigas before I saved and started SRing and trying to RNG it I encountered a weavile while placing myself right exactly in front of it.

I understand that
GRASS / WATER / CAVES (Where there are wild Pokémon)

- Straight walking advances the RNG by 1 seed per step. The RNG is advanced even if there is a repel in use.

Does it still advance the RNG if I accidentally press "up" but bump up against gigas and don't actually go anywhere? I don't think I did, but I could have overlooked such a small action.
 
I have two bits of new research today.

First, a conversation in DMP about the inability to sweet scent in the hail inspired me to try to figure out what causes a Pokemon to appear when you're walking in grass/caves or surfing. I've got it mostly figured out.

The Ultimate Pokemon Center has encounter tables that are a little more difficult to parse but have more information than the ones linked to in RNG Reporter.

The relevant information here is density. I noticed the density for any fishing area matched the success rates of the appropriate rods as mingot wrote here:


For encounters fishing

Fishing is handled a bit differently from the previous two encounter scenarios.

First, since you can't sweet scent you have to determine if you are going to catch something at all for a particular frame. To do this, make a note of your method J frame and then locate the this frame - 3 in a method 1 list. Take the last 4 digits of the PID on this method 1 frame and convert it from hexadecimal to decimal.

Divide this number by 656 and discard any remainder or the decimal portion of the result (ie round down).

This gives a result between 0 and 99.

Now depending on your fishing rod here are the results:

Old Rod: Numbers between 0 and 24 mean a catch will be made.
Good Rod: Numbers between 0 and 49 mean a catch will be made.
Super Rod: Numbers between 0 and 74 mean a catch will be made.

Numbers that do not meet the criteria above will result in the "not even a nibble message"

I've found that whenever you make a step in an area with wild Pokemon, the RNG call should determine whether or not there's an encounter. To determine if your target frame can be obtained by moving (not just by Sweet Scent), you'll want to look at your Method J frame - 2 in the Method 1 list for grass/caves or Method J frame - 3 in the Method 1 list for surfing. Get the decimal equivalent of the last 4 digits of the PID of the previously mentioned frame and divide by 656. If the result is less than the density number, there should be an encounter if you move 2 (or 3 in the water) frames before your target.

Whenever you take a step, the process should look something like this:

1. RNG call to determine whether there's an encounter.
2. If there is an encounter, RNG call to determine the slot.
3. If surfing/fishing, RNG call to determine the level.
4. RNG calls to determine the PID and IVs of the monster.

The mystery I haven't quite solved yet is that sometimes, while moving, I pass over some frames in which I'd expect an encounter without actually getting an encounter. I remember reading that sometimes taking a step can advance the RNG by 2 rather than by 1 - could that be it...?

Another thing to look into are the effects that attract/repel monsters, like Illuminate/Stench, Cleanse Tag, Black and White Flutes, and I believe the Bicycle...

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The other thing is the level of the wild Pokemon you'll face when you do get in an encounter. The encounter tables at Ultimate Pokemon Center again have level info. For grass/caves, you'll simply want to use the same level as the slot you're aiming for.

For surfing/fishing, it's a bit trickier. The maximum level is the one listed to the left of the species name for a given slot, and the minimum level is the number in parentheses. The key is the Method J frame - 2 in the Method 1 list. Get the decimal equivalent of the last 4 digits of that frame's PID (let's call it R for random number). Level = Min Level + [R Mod (1 + Max Level - Min Level)] (the Mod operation means take the remainder when you divide R by the term in parentheses)
 
I just Reset it. Guess I'll try it again and make it a point to not touch the Dpad.

here goes nothin! XD
 
I have two bits of new research today.

...

This is awesome, and I think I need to merge your post to the front page. :)

I just Reset it. Guess I'll try it again and make it a point to not touch the Dpad.

here goes nothin! XD

When you hit your delay and miss the frame "Generate" with your seed and find the monster you did get on the long list. This will tell you how far off you were on the frame.
 
When you hit your delay and miss the frame "Generate" with your seed and find the monster you did get on the long list. This will tell you how far off you were on the frame.

Thank you for the response. I did and I found it at frame 475. I was shooting for 474, but somehow overshot by 1.

Here was my math...

474-1(regimonsternumber)-1(roaming mespirit)=472
472/2(journal flips set up with "caught perugly")=236

I was standing directly in front of gigas and once I verified with coin flips I pressed Y to open my journal to a non caught/fought page and flipped one back to a caught page and did this 236 times (pretty sure about that). But I ended up with 475.

Do you know of anything that could have advanced me 1 too many? Journal flips are 2 and that's all I know I did. I may have accidentally pressed up on the Dpad right before pressing A to encounter gigas (on a tile where you CAN encounter pokemon), but I was right up against him so I wouldn't have gone anywhere. Could that have been my 1 extra advancement, or can you think of anything else off the top of my head that would advance me 1 extra?

Thank you so much for your help!

[edit] I just hit my seed again. That's 2/6 tries. Should I go ahead and try flipping the journal pages again and just make sure not to touch the D pad this time (all I can think of)?
 
Speculation about the double RNG advancement when taking a step

Could the extra RNG call that sometimes happens when taking a step happen when a Repel is up and the game wants to cause an encounter? It would have to make another call to check the slot to compare the level of the monster with your level to see if the Repel works, right?

I haven't tested this, but does this make sense?
 
Could the extra RNG call that sometimes happens when taking a step happen when a Repel is up and the game wants to cause an encounter? It would have to make another call to check the slot to compare the level of the monster with your level to see if the Repel works, right?

I haven't tested this, but does this make sense?

Maybe. I was on an encounter tile with repel still active and may have pressed up while already facing up without actually moving from the tile because I would pressed into regigigas.

I'm on journal flip 100 of 236. Trying it again and seeing if it's the same.
 
For some reason I'm not advancing my journal at all - I keep getting "4" in adjacent spreads even though I'm saved on 4 and am going to a captured page 5 times to advance it to my target of 14.

To further illustrate it, here's what my journal looks like and what I'm doing upon the game's start. The Bold shows me obtaining a Pokemon in some way or another.

(default)
APR 26 (wednesday)

started from route 2009
used a pc box
flew to resort area
flew to solaceon town
exited from daycare.
roselia was caught (evening)
^ since this is on the journal's initial appearance it should'nt advance me past frame 4 where I'm saved, correct?

(page 2 after pressing A)

SEP 2 (wednesday)
Started from Pokemon league.
used a pc box.
exited from day care.
used a pc box.
exited from day care.

AUG 14 (friday)
started from Pokemon League.

got CHERUBI from mattj.
got TORCHIC from mattj.


Aug 13 (thursday)

started from acuity lakefront
exited from sunyshore market
flew to solaceon town
flew to poekmon league
used a pc box
snover was caught (evening)
Battled Andrew at Route 205.
Got EEVEE from Cyber.
Got EEVEE from Cyber.

Now after pressing A until this page, I should get to frame 6 when I reach this page showing me catching Snover.
I then press B, then A for 8.
B, then A for 10.
B, then A for 12.
B, then A for 14.

I press start and immediately collect the egg before NPC movement.

my target flips are:

H,T,H,H,T,T,T,H,T,T

I flipped:

H,T,T,H,T,H,T,H,T,H

Which is:
Delay 632 Frame 4 with the wrong IVs.

How am I not advancing my journal?? :(


EDIT by the way, I'm hatching a flawless swampert (trying to)

thanks in advance =D
 
Maybe. I was on an encounter tile with repel still active and may have pressed up while already facing up without actually moving from the tile because I would pressed into regigigas.

I'm on journal flip 100 of 236. Trying it again and seeing if it's the same.

I don't think that post applies to your situation, since I'm pretty sure bumping into something without changing direction shouldn't advance the RNG.

My best guess without knowing anything else is that you might have an extra wanderer.
 
I don't think that post applies to your situation, since I'm pretty sure bumping into something without changing direction shouldn't advance the RNG.

My best guess without knowing anything else is that you might have an extra wanderer.

you do have a valid though. Howver, I'm in pearl, have released Mespirit but never caught or killed it, and have never been to that Island with cresellia. Am I forgetting a wanderer in Pearl.

Journal pages flipped. Catching now to see what I get.

[edit]

Yup. I got frame 475 again instead of 474. Just because I'm the kind of guy who really doesn't care why it's not giving me the results I want, what do you think about me just...
1)SRing.
2)taking one step back and then facing forward.
3)resaving and resetting.
4)Just doing 235 journal flips and then taking a step forward (it's on an encounter tile).

If I did 236 journal flips and it put me at 475 (twice), wouldn't 235 and one step forward on an encounter tile put me at 474?

Thanks!

[edit 2]
Ha! Just hit the see again! XD that's 3/7. I'm new to RNG, but is that a good average? Gonna just try 235 + 1 step forward.
 
you do have a valid though. Howver, I'm in pearl, have released Mespirit but never caught or killed it, and have never been to that Island with cresellia. Am I forgetting a wanderer in Pearl.

Journal pages flipped. Catching now to see what I get.

[edit]

Yup. I got frame 475 again instead of 474. Just because I'm the kind of guy who really doesn't care why it's not giving me the results I want, what do you think about me just...
1)SRing.
2)taking one step back and then facing forward.
3)resaving and resetting.
4)Just doing 235 journal flips and then taking a step forward (it's on an encounter tile).

If I did 236 journal flips and it put me at 475 (twice), wouldn't 235 and one step forward on an encounter tile put me at 474?

Thanks!

I looked at your seed and realized the frame numbers you're citing are Method 1 frames. Regigigas and other stationary legendaries use Method J. (If you search Method J for your seed, you'll find you'll need a Jolly synchronizer at the front of your party and aim for Method J frames 469 or 471. [This means you might want to remove your wanderer...])
 
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