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I'm trying for a shiny giratina in the torn world, on frame 45. Since the monster frame is 12, that means I have to advance 33 more frames. How would I do this if I have 6 pokemon in my party?
 
On the original pages it has conflicting opinions on the heads/tails of magikarp/pokeball? Which is heads and which is tails?

And might someone tell me how changing the year affects the seconds?

Thanks again ;)
 
Zog said:
Not sure what it means by SRing- you should always be saved and in front of the legendary first. You have to use Wichu's amazingly handy tool to find a target frame, then work out its timings.

The first thing you need to do is get in front of Regigigas and save your game, then shut off and get it to the right time. Then you work out from the necessary delay how many seconds you'll need to wait (Delay/60 = delay in seconds, then you subtract this from the seconds value you need). Then you take this hypothetical value (99.9% it'll be wrong; don't worry about this) and carry out the timings as if this was the real deal. Then masterball Regigigas, and find his IVs. RNG Reporter will tell you what delay you actually hit. Work out how far off in seconds this was from your target, and adjust emloop as necessary. You should then have your correct timings, so just keep trying until you hit the target, working out if you've hit the target by doing coin flips. Have another window of RNG reporter open with your seed in, having generated the list of egg spreads for you. If you've hit the seed, any coin flips you do will match the egg spreads perfectly. If they don't, you've hit the wrong seed.
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Wonderful! This is completely understandable to me. Thank you.

But what is "emloop"? Is that another program I have to download?
 
all4game said:
I'm trying for a shiny giratina in the torn world, on frame 45. Since the monster frame is 12, that means I have to advance 33 more frames. How would I do this if I have 6 pokemon in my party?
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You can't.
You should have brought an odd number of pokemon in your party in order to advance the frame by an odd number with 128 steps.
Btw, someone else reported a starting frame of 23 for giratina, in that case just do 11 journal flips and you should be able to hit your target. ;)

@Alchemator: Magikarp is head, while pokeball is tail.
Changing the year affects the delay (if I recall correctly since I never change year).
If you increase your year by one the delay will be decreased by one.
If you decrease your year by one the delay will be increased by one.
 
Alchemator said:
On the original pages it has conflicting opinions on the heads/tails of magikarp/pokeball? Which is heads and which is tails?

And might someone tell me how changing the year affects the seconds?

Thanks again ;)
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Where is the conflict so that I can fix it?
 
mingot said:
Where is the conflict so that I can fix it?
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I can't seem to find it again o.O sorry.

And I am aware that changing the year alters the delay as stated.

I'm aiming for a delay of 599 [2009 on seed 1A000264] and so changed the year back to get it to my usual ~delay of 603. However, when I did it and caught a pokemon to check my seed it came up as 29 seconds as opposed to my usual 14.

I thought that this had something to do with changing the year or is it just an anomaly?
 
You entered the time wrong or did not reset at :00 most likely.

Alchemator said:
I can't seem to find it again o.O sorry.

And I am aware that changing the year alters the delay as stated.

I'm aiming for a delay of 599 [2009 on seed 1A000264] and so changed the year back to get it to my usual ~delay of 603. However, when I did it and caught a pokemon to check my seed it came up as 29 seconds as opposed to my usual 14.

I thought that this had something to do with changing the year or is it just an anomaly?
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If my egg initial frame is odd, is there any way it changes to even?
I'm having a hard time hitting the right frame because this problem has been hunting me for a while now ._.
 
The best advice I can give you is to try and find a frame that is odd/even corrosponding what frame you hit.
I spent about 10 hours trying to hit my delay because I was determined to get that HP Ice =/. Now I'm thinking whether it was really worth it ^_^
Also, if you don't immediately get the egg, hope for the best. It may advance the frame by one, but this is unpredictable.
 
Dan Dan said:
Nope, you can do your coin flips without worrying what the other NPCs are doing :)
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Wietse said:
Actually, coin flips are set when your initial seed is generated (and perhaps by some other stuff, but that information will do).

So if you get the right frame, and the coin flips match, you can be quite certain you have your desired pokémon, because when the coin flips match, you're certain you got your initial seed correct.
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That's what I wanted to know. This should save me a few minutes each time (never mind the hassle of having to catch a monster every time I want to verify seed/delay). Thanks guys!
 
Yeah, I do that. But I need a flawless one and it only matches odd results...I've never had this problem before [Ok, I had it once, but then I saved again before getting the egg and it solved it], so I'm wondering why...And also, I always hit my delay 1 in 4 attempts, so the frame is my nemesis XD
But thanks anyway, I'll look for unreasonable spreads (year 48932643729 :P) and see if I get it right.

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Funny story.
The egg initial frame is 6.
If I hit the seed and do 2 flips, the frame goes to 10.
If I hit the seed and do 1 flip, the frame goes to 7.

WTH, hum?
 
mattj said:
But what is "emloop"? Is that another program I have to download?
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Ohhh Emloop is the applet I use for it.

http://pokem.client.jp/emloop.htm

It's in Japanese though. I worked it out myself so I haven't read the guides, but I've noticed one by Mr Sableye which should be on the first page of Ever Grande. I've successfully RNG abused 5 shiny legendaries on Emerald and 11 shiny legendaries and a Drifloon on Platinum using Emloop- it's excellent. I've yet to do the Regi trio, and I screwed up on Zapdos and Articuno because I didn't know they respawned. I caught them to verify I'd hit the right spread then GTSed them.
 
I'm sorry, what is "emloop"?

[edit] nvm found it in the later posts in the guide.

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Emloop isn't REQUIRED for RNGabuse is it?
 
Trying to catch giratina in the distortion world.
514713629F ade849f7 (BOLD, ability 1) 31/8/31/29/30/26 (Seed: 001703d4 Frame: 45) HP BUG 58 !!! 971
That's the seed I'm going for, it's shiny. I'm trying to use Syberia's guide.
So, I did the seed to time thing and got delay of 971 in 2009.
I put that in the emloop box and converted it to seconds. Then I searched for a time on the rng reported with 16 seconds.
I found one 2009 08 26, 23:32:16. I set the ds clock to 23:31 as I start the emloop timer.
after the first chime I reset, but then I run out of time before the game can load to the continue screen.
I'm assuming that's not supposed to happen...
How do I fix it?
 
Copied and pasted from elsewhere, I was directed to this section of the forums instead.

Gahagan said:
Hey all.

I think this is a little too complicated to go in Simple Question/Simple Answer, but I apologize if it's not.

Anyway, I'm currently abusing a Piplup and I have a good handle on the seed and seconds that I am getting. My results are very very close to what I want, and I have even landed on the correct seed a few times.

However, my frame seems to be exactly one off at 31, when my target frame is 32. I believe I may have made a mistake when I was calibrating for my initial frame.

Initial Frame: 10
Target Frame: 32
Journal Flips Required: 11

So I perform that, confirm I've hit the correct seed and delay by catching some wild Pokemon out in the resort area, and proceed to hatch my egg, but when it does it has the stats of the frame 31 hatch and not the frame 32 hatch. This has happened twice now (correct seed, seconds, and delay, but frame is at 31 instead of 32) and I am quite baffled.

And additionally, if something mysterious is going on that I cannot control, what is a reliable way to advance the frame by 1 instead of 2? If I cannot figure out the frames, perhaps I can find another way to get to frame 32.

Thanks for any help I can get with this.
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Rysta said:
If you use your encounter codes you won't have to worry about that, and yes, water absorb is ability 1.
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Thanks, Rysta, for responding, and confirming ability 1 as Water Absorb (!), but I do not quite understand what you mean by 'encounter codes' (are they the target time, delay, and frames that corresponds to my SID?).

I should also admit that my previous post is very unclear. What I had meant to say was that once I sweet scent to hit the target frame for my desired nature, ability, and IVs, if the wild pokemon that popped out happened to NOT be the monster of interest, would I have to soft-reset again?

For instance, instead of sweet scent attracting Adamant 30/31/30/x/30/31 Quagsire, an Adamant 30/31/30/x/30/31 Shellos / Buizel appears.
 
Anyway, I'm currently abusing a Piplup and I...
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=o YOU HORRIBLE EXCSUSE FOR A POKEMON TRAINER!!!! =O

XD Just kidding!

Anyway, I'm heading off to church soon, but when I get back I'm going to finally "attempt" to RNG that Regigigas.

Just wanted to post a very short list of what I plan to do in case I'm going about it wrong.

I already know my avg. Seconds and Delays so I'll ...
  1. Synchronize my clock
  2. Go to the resort area
  3. SR on the next minute
  4. Catch a L50 pokemon
  5. Put it's stats and the date and time into RNG reporter
  6. Select a spread and generate a target time
  7. Fly to Snowpoint(or is it "peak"...whatever) and save in front of Regigigas with the correct party members.
  8. Reset my DS Clock and hit the target time and delay the very first try (yeah! believe it! ;D)
  9. flip coins to verify.
  10. page flip and walk however many times I'll need to advance the frame to whatever RNG says to
  11. Masterball Regi and check his IVs to see if I hit it.
  12. If not try again.
Is that the right concept or am I way off? To be honest it's pretty confusing to me though I did get a shiny Gibble on the 2nd try with shiny tapping and egg hatching.
 
mingot said:
Nope, this is all wrong.

1. Save in front of regi
2. Reset clock / reset
3. Coin flip to check seed
4. If good, do flips. If bad go to step 2.
5. Catch

I am not sure why you want to go a level 50 pokemon first...
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Oh, so you don't have to find your seed each time? 0.0 I thought the seed changed every time you shut it off? So you only have to enter the info from the L50 pokemon 1 time?

Man Mingnot! That's soooo simple! You just made my day! ^.^

Thanks forever!
 
mattj said:
=o YOU HORRIBLE EXCSUSE FOR A POKEMON TRAINER!!!! =O

XD Just kidding!

Anyway, I'm heading off to church soon, but when I get back I'm going to finally "attempt" to RNG that Regigigas.

Just wanted to post a very short list of what I plan to do in case I'm going about it wrong.

I already know my avg. Seconds and Delays so I'll ...
  1. Synchronize my clock
  2. Go to the resort area
  3. SR on the next minute
  4. Catch a L50 pokemon
  5. Put it's stats and the date and time into RNG reporter
  6. Select a spread and generate a target time
  7. Fly to Snowpoint(or is it "peak"...whatever) and save in front of Regigigas with the correct party members.
  8. Reset my DS Clock and hit the target time and delay the very first try (yeah! believe it! ;D)
  9. flip coins to verify.
  10. page flip and walk however many times I'll need to advance the frame to whatever RNG says to
  11. Masterball Regi and check his IVs to see if I hit it.
  12. If not try again.
Is that the right concept or am I way off? To be honest it's pretty confusing to me though I did get a shiny Gibble on the 2nd try with shiny tapping and egg hatching.
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Nope, this is all wrong. Use the selecting a spread part of the common information (you did read this section, right?) to find a spread and get a target/reset time.

1. Save in front of regi
2. Reset clock / reset
3. Coin flip to check seed
4. If good, do flips. If bad go to step 2.
5. Catch

I am not sure why you want to go a level 50 pokemon first...

Gahagan said:
Copied and pasted from elsewhere, I was directed to this section of the forums instead.
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If this happens more than one or two more times you might want to resave to get a different frame, or you can try to pause ever so slightly between dismissing the journal and collecting the egg.
 
mattj said:
Oh, so you don't have to find your seed each time? 0.0 I thought the seed changed every time you shut it off?

Man Mingnot! That's soooo simple! You just made my day! ^.^

Thanks forever!
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You are targeting a specific seed.

IE. you know the seed you want to hit before you start to reset.
 
A.ustin said:
I think it is, if IIRC, then you catch a pokemon, check delay/seconds an then you adjust your emloop timer.
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That's what I thought so I tried it and I was still off, then I adjusted it again and it said the date/time was wrong even though it wasn't. I tried it a few more times (after setting teh clock each time) and it still said the date/time was wrong. Also the seconds aren't matching. >.<
 
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