Pokémon HeartGold & SoulSilver - The Offical Competitive Discussion Thread

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Poor Castform and Relicanth...having their once unique moves spread all over the place. Still, Head Smash makes a huge addition to Aggron's movepool and Bullet Punch would possibly boost it up to UU. Weather Ball Victreebel is going to be good for Sunny Day teams, as now he can go for any HP he wants. Another sleeper could be Water Spout on Octillery. Send it some speed and a sub (not THAT hard) and it could do a lot of damage. I just wish they'd give it to a fast water type (like Eruption Typhlosion).
 
Problem with Scarf Blastoise is: not nearly as strong and still not that fast. Curse Quag is also not that big a deal, as we already had Curse Gastrodon with Recover and Gastro has a better stat spread to Curse anyway.

P.S. With Cradily's great defenses, SD is a better set up option. Especially since most people will hit it with super effective special attacks rather than physical (Bug Buzz, Ice Beam). It might soften some Superpowers from Absol or Honchkrow, but SD is better IMO.
 
Holy god, they really went crazy with Nasty Plot and Belly Drum didn't they?

I'm really liking this stuff, can't wait for the move tutors.
 
Cradily with curse under sandstorm is gonna kick ass imho.
Lol at Gible getting mud shot and some of those weird fished and what not getting dragon dances -_-???. I wonder if Garchomp's tier spot will change :/
Personally, I still think he's the strongest non-legendary dragon still -_-
If only Dragonite got sword dance also LOL
 
Garchomp with Dragon Dance?!?

No. I'm pretty sure they gave it shovel ware for a reason. They don't want to break him even more.
 
I can't wait for Yawn/Stealth Rock Swampert, as well as some other stuff.

AGILITY KINGLER. Is that viable? Waterfall and Return has near unparalleled coverage. Other than that, X-Scissor, Brick Break, and Rock Slide.

And finally Gengar is green with envy about Nasty Plot Mismagius.
 
I just skimmed over the list and noticed all the extra weather ball pokes. Is this a push for weather teams?
 
Wow I'm liking some of these changes to the lower tiers. Aggron finally has a reason to be used and I'm certain Mismagius/Honchkrow are going to OU now.

And finally, a reason to use Dragonite. Any ExtremeSpeed set ideas?
 
Does anyone else wish that there were no new moves? Just when the platinum metagame was becoming balanced...

On a side note, cwadaunt could become a real forse in NU, with that high attack stat + ddance


E-speed dratini :)
 
Arael said:
Defog clears the opponent's field of Light Screen, Reflect, Safeguard and hazard entry moves. But only their side. If they're revamping Defog's list, it's possible they will also change its effect to clear both sides (meaning we would have another move other than Rapid Spin to clear the field).
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also, in doubles, you can target your partner to do the same thing to your side, removing entry hazards set up by your opponents and also your own screens, etc.

it would be interesting if it was a sort of global reset for the whole field though. this would change a lot of things rather significantly, but i'm not sure that they would given what you can do in doubles already

blasphemy1 said:
I'm surprised people aren't as excited about Yawn Swampert as I am. He finally has a way to beat Azelf!
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i'm excited about this as well.

yawn / roar could be a really good combo for him imo

MetalGarX said:
OK, while everyone is going on about OU and UU, Im going to discuss LC:

first of all

FUCK MAN NASTY PLOT MISDREAVUS.
This is like SubCM, but 10000000000000000000000x better. If you play LC, you know that this means that practically nothing can stop Misdreavus now, and its sure to be broken. Oh well, thats good :)

Totodile : Aqua Jet
Suddenly, the oh so priority weak SubDDLiechiDile becomes a formidanble sweeper, as a 90 Power Priority move coming off a attack stat of 30+ is going to tear shit up.

DD Corphish
Fuck yeah, awesome. My favourite crustacean will finally see some use ^____^

AgiliKrabby:
Die you Corphish nemesis. But in all seriousness, this could be a potent threat, seeing how it has above average defenses, protecting it from priority attacks getting in its way, while striking hard with STAB Crabhammer and I think Rock Slide. Return nicely rounds this off

Others dont stand out that much; Nosepass head Smash, Aron HS, etc. But IMO these will make a big impact on LC, and may change the common faces.
Oh well, fuck you Nintendo for ruining our happy little Metagame :)
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missy will most likely be banned with nasty plot now.


i would go with SD with totodile (and feraligatr)
sub / SD / liechi could be pretty intense for both of them and with aqua jet's priority and hiding behind a sub, not much need for the speed when you can have the extra boost in power


aron with head smash could be interesting... 17 Atk and 150 BP + STAB attack could be pretty brutal for a scarf or banded set
idk if scarf would work as well though as he'd tie with all the 19's if he ran max speed and wouldn't even tie with neutral speed
trick room sweep could be viable too though
 
Ubers are awesome said:
Does anyone else wish that there were no new moves? Just when the platinum metagame was becoming balanced...

On a side note, cwadaunt could become a real forse in NU, with that high attack stat + ddance

Encore blissey...no breaking through it with sub-calmminders. Stall just got a big boost, espeicelly since if blissey encores something like a weak earthquake, skarmory gets a free layer of spikes.
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Where did you see Encore Blissey?
 
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