Note: I do realize that there's an official discussion thread about HG/SS Competitive Battles, but I believe that this topic deserves its own thread for the importance and uniqueness of this move.
With the release of Heart Gold and Soul Silver on Sept. 12, there's no doubt that one of the moves that has been eternally submerged in shadows now has a chance to rise to power. Previous to the releases of these two games, the move Super Fang was only available to these three Pokemon (with the exception of Smeargle, who can run much better sets):
Now, on September 12, these all changed, since the HG/SS, there is a tutor that can teach certain Pokemon the move Super Fang, and here is a list of Pokemon who can learn it (thanks to RB Golbat for the list):
Listing Fully-Evolved Pokemon Only (Pokemon with Base Speed 100 or higher have a * next to their names):
Lastly, Super Fang + U-Turn can also be a considerable option.
Note that I did not include Smeargle in this thread since everybody know that Smeargle can learn all moves besides Chatter.
Sharpedo, Houndoom, and Mightyena worth a special mention as they have STAB moves that can hit Super Effective on Ghosts, a type of Pokemon which Super Fang does not affect. All three of those Pokemon have a decent Attack or Special Attack, useful Speed and at least 1 Priority move. And Crobat...
Combo with Brine: With many Water types having Swift Swim, and Brine widely available as a TM, Super Fang can be easily used to cut off the HP first, then a fast swimmer in rain can quickly come and Brine away. Even if it's not in rain, any Briners can take this advantage since the opponent's HP has been cut by Super Fang. Sharpedo has both Super Fang, priority, STAB Brine and a move to hurt Ghost types while Toxicroak can benefit from rain with Dry Skin ability.
Huntail (with Swift Swim) in rain can throw out a STAB Rain-Boosted, fast Brine after a Super Fang with 94 base SpA, which is wonderful. Stealth Rocks are needed to ensure 130 Base Power Brine or Leftovers can easily screw over the idea.
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Walrein: Not only it has Super Fang now but also Aqua Ring... I don't think you can kill that thing without toxic-poisoning it somehow...
The main purpose of this thread is to discuss all the different possibilities and uses with this move, since people aren't used to create movesets and EV's for certain Pokemon dedicated for a special move such as this. This may also be a good place to find other moves that can combo easily with Super Fang to make the move or the Pokemon's moveset much more effective in today's metagame.
P.S. Heatran learns Bug Bite now... WTF?
___________________________________________Super Fang (Normal) is a move that disregards all EVs and IVs of any stats of the user Pokemon and the target, and does 50% of damage to any Pokemon's current HP. For example, a Pokemon with 540 HP will suddenly be cut to 270, and then 135 if hit by Super Fang again, no matter how high the Defense or Special Defense the target Pokemon has. This can be very useful to break stall teams as well as Pokemon that generally depend on defensive stat boosts. This move does not affect Ghosts.
With the release of Heart Gold and Soul Silver on Sept. 12, there's no doubt that one of the moves that has been eternally submerged in shadows now has a chance to rise to power. Previous to the releases of these two games, the move Super Fang was only available to these three Pokemon (with the exception of Smeargle, who can run much better sets):
- Raticate
- Pachirisu
- Bibarel
Now, on September 12, these all changed, since the HG/SS, there is a tutor that can teach certain Pokemon the move Super Fang, and here is a list of Pokemon who can learn it (thanks to RB Golbat for the list):
Listing Fully-Evolved Pokemon Only (Pokemon with Base Speed 100 or higher have a * next to their names):
- Raticate
- Sandslash
- Nidoqueen
- Nidoking
- Mew*
- Furret
- Crobat*
- Granbull
- Houndoom
- Mightyena
- Linoone*
- Mawile
- Sharpedo
- Glalie
- Walrein
- Huntail
- Bibarel
- Pachirisu
- Purugly*
- Toxicroak
- Nidoqueen - Sucker Punch
- Nidoking - Sucker Punch
- Mew - Sucker Punch, Vacuum Wave
- Furret - Quick Attack (STAB), Sucker Punch
- Houndoom - Sucker Punch (STAB)
- Mightyena - Sucker Punch (STAB)
- Linoone - ExtremeSpeed (STAB)
- Mawile - Sucker Punch
- Sharpedo - Aqua Jet (STAB)
- Glalie - Ice Shard (STAB)
- Bibarel - Quick Attack (STAB)
- Pachirisu - Quick Attack
- Purugly - Fake Out (STAB), Quick Attack (STAB), Sucker Punch
- Toxicroak - Sucker Punch, Vacuum Wave (STAB)
- Crobat - Hypnosis
- Purugly - Hypnosis
Lastly, Super Fang + U-Turn can also be a considerable option.
Note that I did not include Smeargle in this thread since everybody know that Smeargle can learn all moves besides Chatter.
Sharpedo, Houndoom, and Mightyena worth a special mention as they have STAB moves that can hit Super Effective on Ghosts, a type of Pokemon which Super Fang does not affect. All three of those Pokemon have a decent Attack or Special Attack, useful Speed and at least 1 Priority move. And Crobat...
LegacyRaider said:Crobat and Walrein seem to be the best recipients of the move. Crobat has a whole host of moves that it can use to great effect alongside Super Fang - Taunt, Roost, Whirlwind, U-turn - and I think it will be a massive threat to defensively inclined teams when paired with a Pursuit user (Weavile with his new Low Kick toy?) to remove Rotom. Crobat's decent defenses, great Speed, Roost, and Taunt in particular mean it can beat the vast majority of defensive Pokemon one on one with Super Fang + an attacking move.
Combo with Brine: With many Water types having Swift Swim, and Brine widely available as a TM, Super Fang can be easily used to cut off the HP first, then a fast swimmer in rain can quickly come and Brine away. Even if it's not in rain, any Briners can take this advantage since the opponent's HP has been cut by Super Fang. Sharpedo has both Super Fang, priority, STAB Brine and a move to hurt Ghost types while Toxicroak can benefit from rain with Dry Skin ability.
Huntail (with Swift Swim) in rain can throw out a STAB Rain-Boosted, fast Brine after a Super Fang with 94 base SpA, which is wonderful. Stealth Rocks are needed to ensure 130 Base Power Brine or Leftovers can easily screw over the idea.
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Walrein: Not only it has Super Fang now but also Aqua Ring... I don't think you can kill that thing without toxic-poisoning it somehow...
The main purpose of this thread is to discuss all the different possibilities and uses with this move, since people aren't used to create movesets and EV's for certain Pokemon dedicated for a special move such as this. This may also be a good place to find other moves that can combo easily with Super Fang to make the move or the Pokemon's moveset much more effective in today's metagame.
P.S. Heatran learns Bug Bite now... WTF?