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[Lusitania]

Well, here we go again.

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Timid Froslass@Focus Sash w/ Snow Cloak
4HP/252Spe/252SpA
-Taunt
-Destiny Bond
-Spikes
-Ice Beam

Froslass is a great lead imo, and shuts down the slower ones, in addition to 2hkoing the faster ones that can taunt it away such as Azelf and Aerodactyl. It also has a 2hko on Hippowdon, which is kind of nice I suppose. It's a really good lead, and it really is only shut down by Metagross and Tyranitar leads, and even in the cases of those two it can still set up a layer of Spikes, and they're really useful, one layer doing a minimum of 12% to any Pokemon that it hits. Stealth Rock would be nice if I could fit it onto my team, but it wouldn't really fit the offensive theme of this team.



MON UNDECIDED

Jolly Gyarados@Life Orb w/ Intimidate
156HP/108Atk/100Def/144Spe
-Dragon Dance
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang
-Waterfall

DDance Gyarados, ah, this thing works freaking wonders. It has resistance to most of priority, and is nearly unstoppable after one DDance. All I have to do to get this thing a sweep is come in on an EQ or Earth Power directed at Heatran, and then DDance on the switch (I find that Heatran is the best Heatran counter, especially Scarftrans, so that works perfectly ^^) As I improve with prediction and other things and as I do I'm getting so much better at setting up sweeps :3

Synergy wise, the Electric attacks that are directed at Gyara warrant an immediate switch to Electivire, which can then sweep on its own with a speed boost, 123 base attack stat, and Expert Belt, along with its famed ability to hit 13 out of 17 types super effectively. It's perfection :3

Sassy Bronzong@Leftovers w/ Levitate
252HP/86Atk/80Def/92SpDef...0 Spe IVs
-Stealth Rock
-Gyro Ball
-Explosion
-Earthquake

Hah, this has got to be the best mixed wall in the game. It has levitate, which is an immediate one up on Cresselia, and at the same time it gets Gyro ball, along with the power to hit 63 speed, and coming off of an average attacking stat that's nothing to laugh at, especially when faced with super speedy mons looking to kill it fast. And it's typing is Steel/Psychic, arguably the best defensive typing in the game.

This thing is really a beautiful wall, and takes the moves that I can't deal with via immunities from my other Pokemon. This'll always force a switch, and be able to set up Stealth Rock, which is invaluable on a team such as mine. I really love this Pokemon, and is better than the Skarmory I was trying to use.

Modest Empoleon@Petaya Berry w/ Torrent
12HP/12Def/232Spe/252Atk
-Agility
-Substitute
-Grass Knot
-Surf

Wow, this is my favorite Pokemon set to play. With minimal amounts of skill and prediction, you can set up super hard to stop sweeps, this one countered by only Blissey and Vaporeon, and maybe Snorlax, the former two which are dealed with by Electivire, maybe letting me get lucky and score a Thunder Wave switch in with Vire, or an HP Electric. and then sweep again. It's so simple to do, just switch in on something Emp resists, Agility when they switch out, and then Sub to 25 percent, and rape with a Torrent boosted +1 STAB base 95 attack, which is backed by a pretty cash Grass Knot. It's amazing how many games this thing has won me, I freaking love it.

And it baits Tbolts and other Electric type attacks, so I can switch to Vire for a quick sweep if need be :3

Timid Jolteon@Choice Specs w/ Volt Absorb
-HP Ice
-Shadow Ball
-Baton Pass
-Thunderbolt

-coming soon-
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[frogbandit]

uhm, your infernape set is kinda confusing me. I suggest a regular Nasty Plot MixApe:

Infernape @ Life Orb
Naive Nature
64 Atk / 252 SpA / 192 Spe
~ Nasty Plot
~ Fire Blast
~ Close Combat
~ Grass Knot / Hidden Power Ice

I suggest HP Ice, as it can get rid of those pesky mences. This set works better, because after one nasty plot you should be able to outspeed and kill many of the pokemon in OU. This set makes the perfect stall breaker also.

Also, this may be a typo, but your Heatran should have 4 Atk EVs

 

[Lusitania]

uhm, your infernape set is kinda confusing me. I suggest a regular Nasty Plot MixApe:

Infernape @ Life Orb
Naive Nature
64 Atk / 252 SpA / 192 Spe
~ Nasty Plot
~ Fire Blast
~ Close Combat
~ Grass Knot / Hidden Power Ice

I suggest HP Ice, as it can get rid of those pesky mences. This set works better, because after one nasty plot you should be able to outspeed and kill many of the pokemon in OU. This set makes the perfect stall breaker also.

Also, this may be a typo, but your Heatran should have 4 Atk EVs

Yea, I considered Nasty Plot, but it would leave me too vulnerable to Blissey/Snorlax stall, as well as only giving me only one physically based attacker. I'm using a physically based MixApe atm.

Oh, and DPulse from Latias and Stone Edge from Nape takes care of Mence.

 

[frogbandit]

Uhm, theres a thing called Close Combat that OHKOs Snorlax and Blissey.

Infernape really shouldnt be running Stone Edge, because after the Nasty Plot boost, an HP Ice will be much more useful against Flying types (x4 against salamence)

 

[Lusitania]

Uhm, theres a thing called Close Combat that OHKOs Snorlax and Blissey.

Infernape really shouldnt be running Stone Edge, because after the Nasty Plot boost, an HP Ice will be much more useful against Flying types (x4 against salamence)

Having one physical attack doesn't do that much, as opposed to three. And it's a Physically based MixApe, a different set, not a Nasty Plot one. It's an excellent wall breaker, and offers more immediate power.

But I'll take your help into consideration and try out the Nasty Plot MixApe.

 

[frogbandit]

I have no idea why you would need 3 different attacks to take down a Blissey/Snorlax when one Close Combat can OHKO
But yeah, if you dont like Close combat you can always go vacuum wave for priority

 

[Lusitania]

I have no idea why you would need 3 different attacks to take down a Blissey/Snorlax when one Close Combat can OHKO
But yeah, if you dont like Close combat you can always go vacuum wave for priority

It's not so much that I need more than one attack to take out blissey, I need more than one diehard physical attacker. That's the roll that Infernape fills.

 

[Kachalski]

For that Infernape, Specially Based Mixape is usually better than Nasty Plot Mixape, as Specially Based Mixape hits everything, bar Gyarados, for Super Effective Damage. I would suggest running 196 Speed rather than usual 192, droping 4 off SpA to allow you to outspeed other normal Mixapes, and OHKO back with Close Combat.

 

[mtr]

Let's see...

Any gaping holes?
Your team gives setup opportunities to DDGyara in the form of Earth Power, Superpower, and Bullet Punch, but you have no Gyarados checks. To fix this, let's change your Infernape to a Jolteon. This guy can absorb Thunder Wave for you, along with outspeeding Gyarados and killing him with any Electric attack. Gengar and Heatran are enough to deal with a stall team by blowing up on Blissey, to it's not much of a concern.

Jolteon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Baton Pass
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Besides beating Gyarados, you lure in Ground-type attacks, pass Substitutes to stuff like Gengar and Latias, and have lots of fun cleaning up the opponent. You can also clean up after Blissey is gone late in the game. Since I'm thinking this is for Wifi (sorry, whenever I don't see Hidde Power, that's what I think), I'm not suggesting a Hidden Power, but HP Ice is preferred.

Is everything optimal?
The thing about SD Scizor is that it is mostly an inferior Lucario, except that it can defeat Gengar. I would use a Choice Bander to add even more anti-Blissey fun by using Pursuit, but its up to you.

 

[Lusitania]

Let's see...

Any gaping holes?
Your team gives setup opportunities to DDGyara in the form of Earth Power, Superpower, and Bullet Punch, but you have no Gyarados checks. To fix this, let's change your Infernape to a Jolteon. This guy can absorb Thunder Wave for you, along with outspeeding Gyarados and killing him with any Electric attack. Gengar and Heatran are enough to deal with a stall team by blowing up on Blissey, to it's not much of a concern.

Jolteon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Baton Pass
---

Besides beating Gyarados, you lure in Ground-type attacks, pass Substitutes to stuff like Gengar and Latias, and have lots of fun cleaning up the opponent. You can also clean up after Blissey is gone late in the game. Since I'm thinking this is for Wifi (sorry, whenever I don't see Hidde Power, that's what I think), I'm not suggesting a Hidden Power, but HP Ice is preferred.

Is everything optimal?
The thing about SD Scizor is that it is mostly an inferior Lucario, except that it can defeat Gengar. I would use a Choice Bander to add even more anti-Blissey fun by using Pursuit, but its up to you.

Thanks, but I've decided to go with an Electivire (replaced Infernape). It helps out with my physical offense that I need so badly. Also, I'm trying out an Azelf SR lead and a Skarmory (replaced Scizor) for a wall.

EDIT: Froslass lead back lols, Spikes does better with lass and SR with Skarm.

 

[Lucalibur]

Thanks, but I've decided to go with an Electivire (replaced Infernape). It helps out with my physical offense that I need so badly. Also, I'm trying out an Azelf SR lead and a Skarmory (replaced Scizor) for a wall.

EDIT: Froslass lead back lols, Spikes does better with lass and SR with Skarm.

just a quick note,if you want to use electivire,you need something that can atract eletric moves,jolteon dont have that problems,in fact,its fast and powerful enough with a life orb set and eletric moves only heal life orb damage,i might sugest you try a life orb jolteon like that one....

Jolteon (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Toxic

your team dont atract eletric moves since nothing is weak to thunderbolt,so electivire is not going to get his boost often,this jolteon can cause some damage in about any team,even those with blissey and snorlax,toxic is made for those 2,thunderbolt 2hko salamence so HP grass was chosen over HP ice,this way you ohko swampert,shadow ball deal high damage to the likes of gengar,rotom,dusknoir and others,you can ruin just about anything with this.also,DONT replace scizor with skarmory,even if you chose electivire instead of jolteon,your team would be keep in the same state its now,1 physical atacker and all the rest walled by blissey(why do you think this jolteon got toxic?) also,we already got HGSS changes,so bug bite over X-scissor on scizor since you can steal berrys and deal more damage(bug bite get 135 power,X-scissor get 120)

 

[Lusitania]

just a quick note,if you want to use electivire,you need something that can atract eletric moves,jolteon dont have that problems,in fact,its fast and powerful enough with a life orb set and eletric moves only heal life orb damage,i might sugest you try a life orb jolteon like that one....

Jolteon (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Toxic

your team dont atract eletric moves since nothing is weak to thunderbolt,so electivire is not going to get his boost often,this jolteon can cause some damage in about any team,even those with blissey and snorlax,toxic is made for those 2,thunderbolt 2hko salamence so HP grass was chosen over HP ice,this way you ohko swampert,shadow ball deal high damage to the likes of gengar,rotom,dusknoir and others,you can ruin just about anything with this.also,DONT replace scizor with skarmory,even if you chose electivire instead of jolteon,your team would be keep in the same state its now,1 physical atacker and all the rest walled by blissey(why do you think this jolteon got toxic?) also,we already got HGSS changes,so bug bite over X-scissor on scizor since you can steal berrys and deal more damage(bug bite get 135 power,X-scissor get 120)

Actually, my team does. I didn't note it yet, but I have a Emp and Gyara now, which attract it. Emp and Vire, imo, are the best pair of minimum set up sweepers. Vire can sweep a team just with an Expert Belt and a speed boost. Imma post the updated team.

Not a bump, I finished updating the page with the new mons. :3 thanks for all the help in making the changes guise, and Electivire just fit my team better than Jolteon.

 

[Nosferalto]

Thanks, but I've decided to go with an Electivire (replaced Infernape). It helps out with my physical offense that I need so badly. Also, I'm trying out an Azelf SR lead and a Skarmory (replaced Scizor) for a wall.

EDIT: Froslass lead back lols, Spikes does better with lass and SR with Skarm.

The whole point of using Jolteon was outspeeding Gyarados after a Dragon Dance and OHKO with Thunderbolt. Electivire cannot achieve that. This means that adding Electivire to the team wil still leave you vulnerable to DD Gyarados.

261*1.5 = 391

Gyarados hits 391 after a Dragon Dance and Jolteon has 394 Speed meaninng that it can outspeed unlike Electivire who only has a 317 Speed stat with a Jolly Nature.

I would suggest using a more bulky spread on your Gyarados, in order to switch-in on Lucario and Scizor without the risk of getting KO'ed. Use: 156 HP / 108 Atk / 100 Def / 144 Spe. The 144 Speed EVs allow Gyarados to outspeed Timid Gengar and Latias after a Dragon Dance.

Changing your current EV spread to this one is extremely important, as the extra bulkiness help Gyarados take on Heatran a lot better, only fearing the very rare HP [Electric]. Nothing on your team can take a Fire Blast from Heatran so this solves your problem getting you a free Dragon Dance.

 

[musiquev24]

Your moves on Electivire are missing. I can see that you're adamant so I'm just going to guess you're the physical version. You might want to consider the mixed version, running Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Grass / Cross Chop / Flamethrower. Swampert is all too common and is Electivire's least favorite friend, and with HP Grass you can OHKO him, which gives you a much more likely sweep.

I'm also going to second xhizor's opinion on the Gyara EV spread. Your team could use a bit of extra Lucario protection.

On a side note, are you the same Lusitania from Gameriot?

 

[Lusitania]

Your moves on Electivire are missing. I can see that you're adamant so I'm just going to guess you're the physical version. You might want to consider the mixed version, running Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Grass / Cross Chop / Flamethrower. Swampert is all too common and is Electivire's least favorite friend, and with HP Grass you can OHKO him, which gives you a much more likely sweep.

I'm also going to second xhizor's opinion on the Gyara EV spread. Your team could use a bit of extra Lucario protection.

On a side note, are you the same Lusitania from Gameriot?

No, I'm not, I'm the Lusitania from pe2k ^^;

And I'll definitely change Gyara's EVs, thanks :3

And I don't know about changing to mixed on Vire, I've never seen a Swampert with him, and I need more physical coverage IMO. I'll consider it though.

EDIT: And the Jolteon will be no help against 252/252 Atk/Spe Jolly Gyara, as they outspeed it by a longshot

 

[Illithian]

Jolly Gyarados are rare, and I'm sorry but Electivire can't check Gyarados. With one DD, Gyarados will OHKO standard 252/252 Evire with Waterfall. Jolteon will fall the same, but atleast Jolteon has a chance of outspeeding.