Community Create-A-Team #2: Aggron (OU)

[Witnessed]

Jesus Christ, you guys are fucking up the whole CCAT. Everyone calm down and make some valid arguments. We are talking about team options not weather we should use Toxic over Ice Punch(wtf?).

I think we should really, really consider Celebi. It can spread paralysis to open up a possible sweep with our Aggron, and can take down Hippo/Pert. Not only only that, but it gives our team a status absorber thanks to Natural Cure. We lack a pokemon that can take down Bronzong. I think Infernape can do this quite well. Swampert can lure Zong in pretty well, or fuck even Gliscor (who can also power trick!). Both can get rocks up for us, while Swampert can scout for Revenge killers like Flygon and Heatran with Roar, and can annihalate both with their respective moves. Gliscor handles Lucario well, and can also Taunt, allowing us to bring our Aggron in without the fear of getting burned or paralyzed.

Finally, we need a Pokemon to eliminate said Scarfers. I think Scarf Latias can do this well.

 

[Despotar]

Jesus Christ, you guys are fucking up the whole CCAT. Everyone calm down and make some valid arguments. We are talking about team options not weather we should use Toxic over Ice Punch(wtf?).

I think we should really, really consider Celebi. It can spread paralysis to open up a possible sweep with our Aggron, and can take down Hippo/Pert. Not only only that, but it gives our team a status absorber thanks to Natural Cure. We lack a pokemon that can take down Bronzong. I think Infernape can do this quite well. Swampert can lure Zong in pretty well, or fuck even Gliscor (who can also power trick!). Both can get rocks up for us, while Swampert can scout for Revenge killers like Flygon and Heatran with Roar, and can annihalate both with their respective moves. Gliscor handles Lucario well, and can also Taunt, allowing us to bring our Aggron in without the fear of getting burned or paralyzed.

Finally, we need a Pokemon to eliminate said Scarfers. I think Scarf Latias can do this well.

I would suggest Scarfed Starmie,
it gets great coverage, and I believe it has the fasted scarfed set in OU.

 

[lordkira]

Sorry lol. I said i was being stupid and going off topic... and i was. Sorry.
I'm not testing CB Aggron in OU now, but i think that Cresselia fares well with the team. She attracts many things Aggron likes to switch, and she can take many hits. Not to say she can handle Surfs well, resists fighting and is immune to Ground.

BUT if you're gonna test Cressy you don't want to use Hippowdon/Tyranitar. Scizor makes an easy switch in (unless you use hp fire... yes, just use it, it's the best Scizor lure ever) though.
And DD Tyranitar will have a free DD. That's a problem unless you have a fighting poke or Weavile(Low Kick easily OHKO Tyranitar, and he's faster than Jolly Tiranitar with one DD, though a mispredict will leave Weavile taking a Stone Edge... a easy OHKO.)
Cressy isn't a sitting duck if you use the CM one. So use it.

I know it's just theorymon, but i think Cresselia should work with Aggron.
I'll be testing a team, and i'll post it later.

Yeah, we need an answer to how we will deal with Tyranitar. However, I am kinda iffy on weavile though. It's too fragile to fit into the Bulky Offensive team (especially). How about MixNite with superpower? Hmmmmm...

Jesus Christ, you guys are fucking up the whole CCAT. Everyone calm down and make some valid arguments. We are talking about team options not weather we should use Toxic over Ice Punch(wtf?).

I think we should really, really consider Celebi. It can spread paralysis to open up a possible sweep with our Aggron, and can take down Hippo/Pert. Not only only that, but it gives our team a status absorber thanks to Natural Cure. We lack a pokemon that can take down Bronzong. I think Infernape can do this quite well. Swampert can lure Zong in pretty well, or fuck even Gliscor (who can also power trick!). Both can get rocks up for us, while Swampert can scout for Revenge killers like Flygon and Heatran with Roar, and can annihalate both with their respective moves. Gliscor handles Lucario well, and can also Taunt, allowing us to bring our Aggron in without the fear of getting burned or paralyzed.

Finally, we need a Pokemon to eliminate said Scarfers. I think Scarf Latias can do this well.

I also agree with trying to fit in Celebi into the team.
Defensive Celebi with T-wave and HP-Ice, I think would be fantastic. Aggron obviously would love to have the t-wave support while hp-ice will demolish mainly the mence variants.

 

[M BLADE]

Yeah, we need an answer to how we will deal with Tyranitar. However, I am kinda iffy on weavile though. It's too fragile to fit into the Bulky Offensive team (especially). How about MixNite with superpower? Hmmmmm...

No... Mixnite won't outspeed Tyranitar with a DD under his belt. A Stone Edge and he's gone.

And i didn't know we were making a bulky offensive team... then the best solution to Tyranitar IS Machamp/Hitmontop. Both are bulky and easily picks off Tyranitar.
Ok, i'm gonna make a test team and see what i can get. I'm gonna use different pokes than the "best" ones(Rotom/Celebi/Latias) and see what i can get.

 

[blasphemy1]

If we never let Tyranitar set up, then we don't really need an answer for it. As long as we use Will-o-Wisp on Rotom-A, or Reflect on Latias(Aggron can survive a +1 EQ with it) then we should be fine. Hell, I thought we were going to use a bulky ground like Hippowdon or Swampert anyways, who counter him rather decently.

 

[lordkira]

No... Mixnite won't outspeed Tyranitar with a DD under his belt. A Stone Edge and he's gone.

And i didn't know we were making a bulky offensive team... then the best solution to Tyranitar IS Machamp/Hitmontop. Both are bulky and easily picks off Tyranitar.
Ok, i'm gonna make a test team and see what i can get. I'm gonna use different pokes than the "best" ones(Rotom/Celebi/Latias) and see what i can get.

Yeah we decided to go with Bulky Offensive a little while ago I believe.
Machamp sounds pretty nice but how is Latias also by the way?
I know I've been repeating myself about Latias for teh past few pages, but I don't see why she's not being considered.

 

[Justinawe]

If we never let Tyranitar set up, then we don't really need an answer for it. As long as we use Will-o-Wisp on Rotom-A, or Reflect on Latias(Aggron can survive a +1 EQ with it) then we should be fine. Hell, I thought we were going to use a bulky ground like Hippowdon or Swampert anyways, who counter him rather decently.

Hippowdon as a lead is definitely a great idea, and I have strongly supported it from the beginning. That is the Tyranitar counter for the team. With Hippo, biggest threat to the team is still Salamence, who sits at #2 in usage. So what we should be talking about now is how to try to stop Salamence, not Tyranitar.

 

[Witnessed]

If we need a counter to DDtar and Mence, why not use Swampert? Considering Ttar brings sandstorm into play then we really don't need to use Hippo.

 

[ZandgaiaX]

If we need a counter to DDtar and Mence, why not use Swampert? Considering Ttar brings sandstorm into play then we really don't need to use Hippo.

Problem is that Ttar isn't always IN the game, so yeah.....

 

[blasphemy1]

If we need a counter to DDtar and Mence, why not use Swampert? Considering Ttar brings sandstorm into play then we really don't need to use Hippo.

Why would we use Swampert + Tyranitar if we can essentially mold the two roles into one: Hippowdon. He serves as our Scarf Flygon, Tyranitar, etc, counter, while bringing in sand. Tyranitar + Aggron have too many common weaknesses combined, and Celebi shitstorms all over the three(Swampert, Tyranitar, Aggron) with a simple offensive set. I don't think we truly need to be worrying about countering specific threats, no other RMT anymore ever thinks about that. But I do think we should atleast attempt to have some checks in place for the top 5. One of the biggest things I see being successful on this team is a Scarf Latias. Since Gyarados and Salamence can both get free set up when Aggron uses Fire Punch / Aqua Tail / EQ / Superpower, we need something that can revenge kill it reliably. The other bonus of using Latias as our revenge killer is Heatran is pretty reliably checked, as well as Infernape, both of which can cause major problems for Aggron. Scizor doesn't pose much of a threat to Aggron, and doesn't get free set up either(Aqua Tail and EQ both hurt), and we all know CB sets don't truly have a counter, since they just spam U-Turn(how can you switch in and threaten a kill/switch if that pokemon uses a move that makes it switch), so we should just focus on Rotom-A. I feel like a support Dragonite would fit extremely well on this team, providing possible paralysis support, while also helping Latias take down special attackers(she probably doesn't want to constantly switch into Heatran/Zapdos). Dragonite can also offer Heal Bell as a support option, possibly curing Hippowdon of bad poison, Latias of paralysis, and Aggron of burn.

 

[Witnessed]

Problem is that Ttar isn't always IN the game, so yeah.....

Way to point out the obvious. Considering that Ttar is still extremely popular despite Bullet Punch, I like to think that I am going to see ttar a lot. I believe Ttar is a huge threat, if not the biggest. I think we should prepare for it, as it basically tears through all the Pokemon we suggested.

Why would we use Swampert + Tyranitar if we can essentially mold the two roles into one: Hippowdon. He serves as our Scarf Flygon, Tyranitar, etc, counter, while bringing in sand. Tyranitar + Aggron have too many common weaknesses combined, and Celebi shitstorms all over the three(Swampert, Tyranitar, Aggron) with a simple offensive set. I don't think we truly need to be worrying about countering specific threats, no other RMT anymore ever thinks about that. But I do think we should atleast attempt to have some checks in place for the top 5. One of the biggest things I see being successful on this team is a Scarf Latias. Since Gyarados and Salamence can both get free set up when Aggron uses Fire Punch / Aqua Tail / EQ / Superpower, we need something that can revenge kill it reliably. The other bonus of using Latias as our revenge killer is Heatran is pretty reliably checked, as well as Infernape, both of which can cause major problems for Aggron. Scizor doesn't pose much of a threat to Aggron, and doesn't get free set up either(Aqua Tail and EQ both hurt), and we all know CB sets don't truly have a counter, since they just spam U-Turn(how can you switch in and threaten a kill/switch if that pokemon uses a move that makes it switch), so we should just focus on Rotom-A. I feel like a support Dragonite would fit extremely well on this team, providing possible paralysis support, while also helping Latias take down special attackers(she probably doesn't want to constantly switch into Heatran/Zapdos). Dragonite can also offer Heal Bell as a support option, possibly curing Hippowdon of bad poison, Latias of paralysis, and Aggron of burn.

I never said we were going to use Tyranitar and Aggron on the same team, I said that Opposing Ttar would set up SS for us and swampert could give us a check, as well as a bulky water and team supporter.

 

[itsbigfoot]

If we do run hippowdon, we should make sure that SS isn't just for Aggron, as it kinda hurts most of his teammates, though latias does work well on most sandstorm teams, and you could definitely go for Gliscor/Vaporeon.

but back to the point, what other pokemon would benefit from sandstream aside from Aggron

 

[blasphemy1]

If we do run hippowdon, we should make sure that SS isn't just for Aggron, as it kinda hurts most of his teammates, though latias does work well on most sandstorm teams, and you could definitely go for Gliscor/Vaporeon.

but back to the point, what other pokemon would benefit from sandstream aside from Aggron

We really don't need SS support, now that I think about it. Like Witness said, there are quite a few Tyranitar(Hippowdon too) who can set it up for us, and since we aren't running a Rock Polish variant, there isn't any need to worry about Scarf Latias/Heatran revenge killing us. Sandstorm also limits our other team members, since a lot of awesome pokemon to pair with Aggron(well, almost all of them) don't appreciate sand(Salamence, Zapdos, Celebi, Latias, Rotom-A, Tentacruel, etc).

 

[Mattman324]

If we do run hippowdon, we should make sure that SS isn't just for Aggron, as it kinda hurts most of his teammates, though latias does work well on most sandstorm teams, and you could definitely go for Gliscor/Vaporeon.

but back to the point, what other pokemon would benefit from sandstream aside from Aggron

Hippowdon, Gliscor, a couple of others. But a SS team does not need to have every member resistant to SS - hell, a team with Hippowdon and only one other pokemon resistant to SS was one of the best teams of it's time (Obistall). I think Hippowdon, Latias, Rotom, Heatran, Aggron, and Gyara shold make it in the end. I'm not to sure on the sets, though.

 

[Indragon]

Here's the latest team I've been testing, this time using some of the "rarer" Pokemon and not the all perfect complements to aggron that have been listed:

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
- Slack Off
- Stealth Rock

Gets the sand up and counters Tar, Flygon and DD-mence

Aggron (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 76 HP/252 Atk/180 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aqua Tail
- Focus Punch
- Head Smash
- Earthquake

Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/220 Def/36 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Heal Bell
- Recover

Takes care of many threats including bulky grounds, waters (Swampert, hippo, etc.) as well as gyarados without Bounce. HP Fire destroys Scizor who invariably switches in on Celebi only to be OHKOed. Heal Bell really helps to cure status from the rest of the team, since TSpikes and sleep can be a problem. Porygon2 takes care of the paralysis. Celebi also has good synergy w/ Heatran

Heatran @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Explosion
- Earth Power
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Grass]

I'm still unsure as to which set to run for tran. Scarf maybe? But here, opposing Scarf and LO Heatran get OHKOed by Earth Power while they fail to OHKO

Porygon2 @ Leftovers
Ability: Trace
EVs: 252 HP/216 Def/40 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Counters Salamence and Gyarados while spreading some para to help Aggron

Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 120 Atk/252 Spd/136 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake

Tar's good on getting surprise revenge kills since no one sees a Scarf coming. Still, I tried out a few alternatives. CM-cune or Specs-jolt might also work

 

[YTP]

I don't like the major weakness to fighting in that team. Some of the members *cough* Pory *cough* seem kinda random. I think a bulky gyara of some sort could go over Porygon2. Since MixMence is pretty well checked by TTar and DDMence has to get past Hippowdon to even consider hurting that team at all. Bulky Gyara forms the good ole CeleTran+Bulky Water core as well.

 

[EL PAJAS TRAE UNA CABRA]

I believe that CBand is the major version for Aggron due to its efficacy. Rock Polish could work in UU but it never in OU, Aggron is a inferior RPolish-Perior in the OU Metagame because Swampert, Bronzong... walling the Rock Polish MoveSet. Therefore, I think that Aggron will be a great pokemon in UU. If Rhyperior is UU now, Aggron can to win it only thanks to the Head Smash's power and this is only possible with CBand.

 

[Justinawe]

I have been talking with many community members who have been reluctant to post here. Basically, the 6 pokemon that everyone has agreed with are:

Hippowdon-SS Support, great counter to Tyranitar as well as Mence with Ice Fang
Rotom-Spin Blocker, counters Scizor, Lucario, and Metagross, all threats to an Aggron team
Celebi-Works great with Aggron, resisting all of its weaks and vice versa. Can spread para around, as well as being great for spreading para.
Heatran-Celetran! As well as being a lure to bulky waters and grounds, he is another steel to take dragon attacks.
Gyarados-Intimidate, bulk, and resistances were many reasons we picked him. Has nice synergy with the team as well, forming the grass-fire-water combo with Celetran.
Aggron-Star of the team! CB takes a chunk out of anything switching in, at worst 2HKOing every pokemon in the game. Beastly.

Let me know what you guys think of the pokemon choices, if you agree/disagree, and a bunch of other stuff. RMT will be up by Friday!

 

[nyczxjay]

I have been talking with many community members who have been reluctant to post here. Basically, the 6 pokemon that everyone has agreed with are:

Hippowdon-SS Support, great counter to Tyranitar as well as Mence with Ice Fang
Rotom-Spin Blocker, counters Scizor, Lucario, and Metagross, all threats to an Aggron team
Celebi-Works great with Aggron, resisting all of its weaks and vice versa. Can spread para around, as well as being great for spreading para.
Heatran-Celetran! As well as being a lure to bulky waters and grounds, he is another steel to take dragon attacks.
Gyarados-Intimidate, bulk, and resistances were many reasons we picked him. Has nice synergy with the team as well, forming the grass-fire-water combo with Celetran.
Aggron-Star of the team! CB takes a chunk out of anything switching in, at worst 2HKOing every pokemon in the game. Beastly.

Let me know what you guys think of the pokemon choices, if you agree/disagree, and a bunch of other stuff. RMT will be up by Friday!

I've been using that setup the last few days with a decent results. Although, I have been switching around Rotom-A with Special Defensive Skarmory with Spikes support. Also, since Rotom-A with Pain Split still isn't on Shoddy, I've been testing it on Wifi. It works alright but I still have to do more testing with it. The reason I've opted for the Pain Spliting Rotom-A over the RestTalker is because I'm already using Gyarados as my RestTalker (Waterfall/DD/Sleep Talk/ Rest) and felt that having 2 was kind of redundant.

EDIT: Apparently, Pain Split has finally been implemented onto Shoddy.

 

[Mattman324]

Since we basically have a team ready, I propose we start nominations for the next CCAT. I nominate Electivire, who isn't completely useless, like most people believe.

 

[Lee]

Since we basically have a team ready, I propose we start nominations for the next CCAT. I nominate Electivire, who isn't completely useless, like most people believe.

I touched upon this with Justinawe in PM; I'd rather we didn't have a CCAT running at all times. The reason Heracross and Aggron have went down so well is because at the times they were posted there were active discussions on the forums surrounding those two Pokemon. If a thread pops up on say, Electivire, and starts to generate a lot of intelligent discussion and interest then that would be the best time to start another CCAT. I hate the idea of doing one 'just because.' It will grow stale way too quickly.

 

[blasphemy1]

I touched upon this with Justinawe in PM; I'd rather we didn't have a CCAT running at all times. The reason Heracross and Aggron have went down so well is because at the times they were posted there were active discussions on the forums surrounding those two Pokemon. If a thread pops up on say, Electivire, and starts to generate a lot of intelligent discussion and interest then that would be the best time to start another CCAT. I hate the idea of doing one 'just because.' It will grow stale way too quickly.

Too bad someone hadn't thought of doing one of these back when Raikou Lover made that "Stop Using Him!" Dragonite thread.

 

[Justinawe]

I touched upon this with Justinawe in PM; I'd rather we didn't have a CCAT running at all times. The reason Heracross and Aggron have went down so well is because at the times they were posted there were active discussions on the forums surrounding those two Pokemon. If a thread pops up on say, Electivire, and starts to generate a lot of intelligent discussion and interest then that would be the best time to start another CCAT. I hate the idea of doing one 'just because.' It will grow stale way too quickly.

I agree with this, after this CCAT, we will be taking a break from the CCAT for a little while. As enjoyable as it is being a part in the CCAT, if we continue to do them as often as we are now, people will just get sick of them after a while. I would be fine with doing one once a month or something(as long as it related to a particular discussion), but that would be something the majority of people would need to agree on.

 

[gggooodddyyy]

I agree with this, after this CCAT, we will be taking a break from the CCAT for a little while. As enjoyable as it is being a part in the CCAT, if we continue to do them as often as we are now, people will just get sick of them after a while. I would be fine with doing one once a month or something(as long as it related to a particular discussion), but that would be something the majority of people would need to agree on.

thats a good point.

To go back to tha Aggron team, i tun a Glisscor or Aerodactyle as a lead. They work well, both get bonus from sandstorm if one is put up, are fairly fast for setting up stealth rock or taunt, and can deal some good damage too.

 

[Justinawe]

We have been working on the RMT lately, and due to all of the effort being put into it, I had to extend the deadline. The RMT should be up tomorrow at the latest though, so look forward to it!