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Kingdra is a monster in UBERS mainly because of the ever so common rain support with its swift swim ability. AHowever, it is still not a "monster" though a decent pokemon. the stats definitely aren't that great and could be better. A pokemon's effectiveness in UBERs has isn't really applicable in OU (examples: ludicolo, weavile, ninjask, shedinja and such are also used quite often). :/

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Dunno if this reasoning has been posted yet in regards to the silhouette, but here goes:

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This is a promotional bag for the upcoming movie. "Phantom Champion Z" or something like that. I believe I heard Serebii say that Z is likely the silhouetted pokémon.

Anyway, you may notice that out of all the pokémon on the bag, the only one who isn't a legendary, doesn't belong to a main character, and isn't a 2nd stage evolution (Tangrowth) is Mightyena there.
Mightyena would be quite the random choice for a cover poké unless he had some important role in the movie, soooo....

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Also: I'd like to see Stealth Rock reworked into essentially a Rock-typed version of Spikes. Because, as it is now, it's ruling the metagame.
 
Thats actually extremely convincing to me Enlong, as it really makes absolutely no sense to just put Mightyena there for no reason, unless one of the secondary characters in the film uses a Mightyena, but even then....
 
Enlong said:
Dunno if this reasoning has been posted yet in regards to the silhouette, but here goes:

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This is a promotional bag for the upcoming movie. "Phantom Champion Z" or something like that. I believe I heard Serebii say that Z is likely the silhouetted pokémon.

Anyway, you may notice that out of all the pokémon on the bag, the only one who isn't a legendary, doesn't belong to a main character, and isn't a 2nd stage evolution (Tangrowth) is Mightyena there.
Mightyena would be quite the random choice for a cover poké unless he had some important role in the movie, soooo....

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What do you mean by that? Both Tangrowth and Mightyena are second stage:
Poochyena-->Mightyena
Tangela-->Tangrowth

Anyway, as I've said elsewhere, that bag means nothing, as it does have both Tangrowth and Mightyena on it (meaning there are two Pokemon that "don't appear to fit") and this sort of cryptic hinting in merchandise is not a way GameFreak hints at new Pokemon, along with the fact of there being a much more logical, and non-cryptic reason for why they're there:
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The thing is though, Tangrowth was also there, so there are two Pokemon that are seemingly "out of place." Therefore, whatever the case, it's likely that they were both put in for the same reason... Most likely, both of them belong to whoever the new friend that Ash & Co make in this movie is. That makes infinitely more sense than it just being Tangrowth that's a random or whatever and Mightyena being this sort of cryptic hint of an evolution in a method of hinting GameFreak has never done before (as they have no connection to the actual merchandise. The only thing the merchandise has hinted towards is the characters in the anime getting new Pokemon, or merchandise of a new form or Pokemon being blocked out/shown as a silhouette).

Trying to pin that Mightyena as being a hint of a future evolution of it is really just looking way too much into it (not to mention that doesn't fix the thing about it being out of place due to it not being one of the actual protagonist's Pokemon. Meaning that for your speculation to add up anyway, it would have to belong to someone else who appears in the movie anyway, in which case it's much simpler and more likely for it to just be the Mightyena itself to belong to someone else in the movie. In other words, if you'd agree that either way that the Mightyena doesn't belong to Ash & co, then why not just stop there? Why must it mean anything more than just that? And why is the same standard not being applied to Tangrowth (we may not actually have a viable silhouette for it (...yet) but that doesn't mean that the same exact things couldn't be said about it)?). It's either a random, or belongs to one of the characters in the movie. That's it; it doesn't mean anything else, as that's not the way GameFreak hints at this kind of stuff.
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I was going to said something along the lines of "I think they added Mightyena into the picture just to fuck around with us." but Naxte beat me to the punch. I still think it's helluva awkward to see Mightyena in something as important as a movie related product.
 
As to the whole it not being Mightyena evo because tangrowth is there.
I ask you, why then, is Mightyena in the dead set middle?
Tangrowth probably belongs to a new character in the movie but I am guessing Mightyena has a much bigger role.
 
Gothic Togekiss said:
I was going to said something along the lines of "I think they added Mightyena into the picture just to fuck around with us." but Naxte beat me to the punch. I still think it's helluva awkward to see Mightyena in something as important as a movie related product.
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Adding to the awkwardness is that all the legendaries on the bag are from Johto, and Mightyena's a 3rd gen poké. And Tangrowth's a 4th gen.
 
Gothic Togekiss said:
I was going to said something along the lines of "I think they added Mightyena into the picture just to fuck around with us." but Naxte beat me to the punch. I still think it's helluva awkward to see Mightyena in something as important as a movie related product.
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True, but the opposite situation (in a manner of speaking, at least) has already happened (Heatran, a Legendary Pokemon, was plastered over stuff for the 12th Movie, such as being near the center of a movie poster, but it only got like what... a few minutes most in the movie, with no one oogling over it or thinking Heatran was anything out of the ordinary or anything. It was just one of the character's Pokemon. Similar happened with Regigigas in the Shaymin movie, although I don't recall how Regigigas appeared in the merchandise and advertisements), so why not this? Movie merchandise just seems to come out being deceptive towards the Pokemon roles in the movies, so I don't like trying to figure out much on them, beyond the vague/obvious.

Edit: @ILoveLiza: Like how Heatran was near the center (I think... it was at least in a prominent position) in the movie poster for the 12th movie, but only had a small role? It being in the center means absolutely nothing.

@Enlong: Like... Kiko was one of the few (in-any-way) significant characters to have used a 3rd-gen Pokemon (Beautifly) in the 12th Movie?
 
ILoveLiza said:
As to the whole it not being Mightyena evo because tangrowth is there.
I ask you, why then, is Mightyena in the dead set middle?
Tangrowth probably belongs to a new character in the movie but I am guessing Mightyena has a much bigger role.
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Because they're grouped together on size and importance. Tangrowth is too big to be in the center; it leaves a lot of Mightyena out of the frame. All the larger pokemon are in the background, smaller up front. K? K.


EDIT: tangrowth would block out the dogs as well if it was in the middle.
 
Naxte said:
True, but the opposite situation (in a manner of speaking, at least) has already happened (Heatran, a Legendary Pokemon, was plastered over stuff for the 12th Movie, such as being near the center of a movie poster, but it only got like what... a few minutes most in the movie, with no one oogling over it or thinking Heatran was anything out of the ordinary or anything. It was just one of the character's Pokemon. Similar happened with Regigigas in the Shaymin movie, although I don't recall how Regigigas appeared in the merchandise and advertisements), so why not this? Movie merchandise just seems to come out being deceptive towards the Pokemon roles in the movies, so I don't like trying to figure out much on them, beyond the vague/obvious.
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Well, if the movie is, as is likely the case, related to HG/SS (as suggested by every Johto legendary being on the bag), it's really out of place for a 3rd gen (and not a very important one, at that) and a 4th gen (same thing) to be featured on the cover.
 
Enlong said:
Well, if the movie is, as is likely the case, related to HG/SS (as suggested by every Johto legendary being on the bag), it's really out of place for a 3rd gen (and not a very important one, at that) and a 4th gen (same thing) to be featured on the cover.
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As I edited it, not really. After all, (again) in the 12th Movie, the character Kiko was one of the few (besides Palmer's cameo, showing him using Milotic) characters to use a 3rd gen Pokemon (Beautfily). It's really not an issue.

So from the 12th Movie, we've learned this:
-Posters and other movie merchandise can be deceptive, if not downright misleading, to the importance of a Pokemon (hell, even the Notched-ear Pichu really didn't do that much in it, and I can't remember if the Pikachu-colored Pichu even showed up).
-Characters can have their only Pokemon be from random generations, like the Gen 3 Buttefly.

Putting these two together, I see no problem with the bag just showing us, if anything at all, that a character in the movie will simply likely have a Mightyena. Based on previous trends and actions by the Movie-team, that would be perfectly logical and seems quite possible and likely as a result, whereas they have never done any of the sort of cryptic hinting that you're proposing they are. Thus, at least for now, I can't see that being a cryptic hint for a Mightyena evo in any way.
 
Naxte said:
True, but the opposite situation (in a manner of speaking, at least) has already happened (Heatran, a Legendary Pokemon, was plastered over stuff for the 12th Movie, such as being near the center of a movie poster, but it only got like what... a few minutes most in the movie, with no one oogling over it or thinking Heatran was anything out of the ordinary or anything. It was just one of the character's Pokemon. Similar happened with Regigigas in the Shaymin movie, although I don't recall how Regigigas appeared in the merchandise and advertisements), so why not this?
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Regigigas appeared a few times in trailers and I think I saw him within a poster. They probably added Heatran into movie 12 merchandise and posters because it's was a legendary Pokemon and little kids would eat that shit up despite it not playing a huge role.

Naxte said:
Movie merchandise just seems to come out being deceptive towards the Pokemon roles in the movies, so I don't like trying to figure out much on them, beyond the vague/obvious.
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Indeed thought it would totally blow my mind if we found out that Mightyena did played an important role within the movie. Seriously, I never did liked Mightyena in anyway and is very surprised to even see his ugly face on any movie related merchandise regardless if it's role within the movie is to be another of Pikachu's cannon fodder.
 
Mightyena was featured in Movie 6 under the control of the "antogonist," Butler, so it's not exactly a virgin to the silver screen, mind you. It played a relatively large role in that movie, being one of the bad guy's main Pokemon!
 
ILoveLiza said:
I ask you, why then, is Mightyena in the dead set middle?
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Artistic composition reasons? He's the only black pokemon, they used him to draw your eyes toward the center of the image, giving it a foundation. Otherwise it would just be a big blur of color.


As far as new moves and TMs go, I don't want a bunch of clones of current moves with different types slapped on them. I like the types being unique and having different strengths and weaknesses. I'm also a fan of different mons having different move pools, and not every pokemon getting access to really powerful moves, but each pokemon should have access to their best stab. What GF did to Flareon is just cruel.
 
Wikey said:
Artistic composition reasons? He's the only black pokemon, they used him to draw your eyes toward the center of the image, giving it a foundation. Otherwise it would just be a big blur of color.


As far as new moves and TMs go, I don't want a bunch of clones of current moves with different types slapped on them. I like the types being unique and having different strengths and weaknesses. I'm also a fan of different mons having different move pools, and not every pokemon getting access to really powerful moves, but each pokemon should have access to their best stab. What GF did to Flareon is just cruel.
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What's with all this talk about Flareon? What exactly did they do?
 
Poor Flareon.
The thing had Garchomp-level attack since RBY and couldn't use it since fire was a special type.
And in DP when the split happened, the weak Fire Fang is all it got despite many other fire types (with lower attack) getting Flare Blitz.
It really needs a break.
 
Tune said:
What's with all this talk about Flareon? What exactly did they do?
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It doesn't have any stronger Physical fire-attacks than Fire Fang, which really isn't doing it any favors. Lots of people want it to have a stronger physical-STAB move like Flare Blitz, but Game Freak hasn't give it to Flareon, even though they did introduce it into Arcanine's movepool in (I believe it was) HG/SS. However, this is really just more part of the general trend of Eeveelutions getting very small and limited movepools for the most part. Plus, as someone pointed out, Flareon's HP really isn't the greatest, so the recoil from Flare Blitz would hit it hard. But in any case, I, along with many others, would be pleasantly surprised if Game Freak actually did do something about the Eeveelutions movepools, and throw a couple more good moves their way (but I'm not going to expect them to do so, since they haven't so far).
 
I'd love to see strong physical moves for fire and electric esp
more than flareon, i'd love to have electivire have a powerful stab'd physical move :(
 
I think they must deliver on some of this because it's is a logical follow up to the physical special split.
Types kind of inherited moves of the previous alignment but will probably pick up more on the other side.

In terms of base power, they do seem to favour certain types more than others.
Usable bug attacks were rare in RBY and are still relatively few while Fire/Fighting have their pick of high power attacks (>100BP).
 
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