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Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

for54years said:
You're using the regular frame from the first Pokemon in your chain, instead of the Actual Frame. Hence, you overshot your target by a long way. Instead of 370, you should have used 511.
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So I use the Actual Frame from the first Pokemon and then advance it to my target Method J Frame? Or is it all Method 1?

And I decided to do some tests, just for the hell of it.

On SEED: 65000709
Traget: None

Four patches shook and I turn+step down and turn+step into:
16 67 22C85802Quirky 0 17 16 18 17 24 12 Rock 32 FFFF
22 67 22C85802Quirky 0 17 16 18 17 24 12 Rock 32 FFFF

Okay, not too bad. I thought I would start on 15, as I have no roamers out, but still, that's not too bad. If anyone knows why it started there, that would be helpful all the same, though.

Four more shook and again I turn+stepx2 into
90 147 3523D170 Quirky 0 26 26 23 27 0 8 Rock 44 FMMF
146 147 3523D170 Quirky 0 26 26 23 27 0 8 Rock 44 FMMF
184 147 3523D170 Quirky 0 26 26 23 27 0 8 Rock 44 FMMF


The frame should have only gone up 20, 6 from the encounter, 10 from the patched and four from my movement. Knowing what I just found out, it seems to have gone up 23. And I had four pokemon in my party, so it couldn't've been the step advancement.

Any thoughts?

@Shananiganeer: Seems we're having the same problem, or atleast close to it. As for why the pokeradar patch didn't have the pokeradar Pokemon? Because the pokeradar hates us all. Sometimes the chain just breaks because it doesn't like you . . .

EDIT: Another try.

SEED: 65000705
Target: None

4 patch, 2 step+turn
15 52 9CDE1CA8 Quirky 0 20 26 11 16 18 0 Fighting 54 MMMF

As expected, 4 patch, 2 step+turn:
73 128 9B78CF07 Quirky 1 25 1 23 21 5 27 Dark 37 FFFF
75 128 9B78CF07 Quirky 1 25 1 23 21 5 27 Dark 37 FFFF
91 128 9B78CF07 Quirky 1 25 1 23 21 5 27 Dark 37 FFFF
101 128 9B78CF07 Quirky 1 25 1 23 21 5 27 Dark 37 FFFF
123 128 9B78CF07 Quirky 1 25 1 23 21 5 27 Dark 37 FFFF

Either 21 or 23 advancement . . .
 
volch said:
So I use the Actual Frame from the first Pokemon and then advance it to my target Method J Frame? Or is it all Method 1?
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Yes, you take the Actual Frame of the first Pokemon, and advance it to your target Method J Frame, and step into the patch. Forget about Method 1; it does not apply here.
 
Does the weather affect the frame? Because I know it messes up with the coin flips but I can check the seed through the PokéRadar patches. However, I dunno if it'll do something to the frame.
 
can anyone please tell me how to advance the RNG in HGSS? I was told you use the Radio Buttons, but when I used them how I thought they should be used, they advanced the frame way more than I wanted them to. Anyone know?

EDIT:
Also, I'm a little confused about a function in RNG Reporter. There is a function called "IV's to PID", and I'm assuming you all know what I'm talking about. Whenever I generate results, and input the seed, everything is fine. But when I go to "Seed to Time", it says that the seed is invalid, or I have entered it incorrectly. I was wondering, will the IV's to PID function generate seeds that can't be used? Or am I doing something wrong?
 
acid_paradox said:
can anyone please tell me how to advance the RNG in HGSS? I was told you use the Radio Buttons, but when I used them how I thought they should be used, they advanced the frame way more than I wanted them to. Anyone know?
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I dunno how the radio buttons are supposed to work but I guess the 128 steps still work to advance the frame by the number of Pokémon in your party...
 
Can someone answer these question please.

1. Im planning to RNG heatran.
I currently looking for a shiny hp grass seeds.
Do anyone have a shiny hp grass 60+ seed with all IVs except attack 20+?

2. It it possible to RNG Spirtomb from saleceon town since that are some NPCs that move in a fixed pattern?

3. Is it possible to RNG the 3 legendary birds seperately?
3.a Is it possible to RNG the 3 dogs sepreately?

Edit: Thanks in advance
 
DarkChaos (HCZ) said:
Can someone answer these question please.

1. Im planning to RNG heatran.
I currently looking for a shiny hp grass seeds.
Do anyone have a shiny hp grass 60+ seed with all IVs except attack 20+?ok do you want to RNG it or you want someone else to RNg it for you because even if they give you a shiny spread spread without changing your ID/SID you can't use it to get it shiny as shiny spreads are specific to a person's ID/SID

2. It it possible to RNG Spirtomb from saleceon town since that are some NPCs that move in a fixed pattern?it is possible but why would you just stand in front of the well once you've activated the event stop the trainer NPCs with the VS seeker (those that don't move in a pattern) then just RNg it the same way you would heatran.

3. Is it possible to RNG the 3 legendary birds seperately? If you referring to the ones in Plat and HG/SS then yes, in platinum just rng for one catch it, faint the others and rebattle the Elite four and talk to Oak to re-release them
3.a Is it possible to RNG the 3 dogs sepreately?The same as the birds and suicune is now an overworld pokemon similar to the other legends so you can just stand in front of him and RNG him. As for the other two you can re-release them by battling the elite four again once you've defeated them. I believe the are produced right after you beat lance
Edit: Thanks in advance
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Thanks nexus
as for question #1
I plan to RNG it and will change my PID/ID if someone can provide with a seed that great

#2
What do you mean use vs. seeker?
If it stop NPC (who does run back and forth), will it work when Im doing the Egg IV RNG abuse

Edit: Thanks Nexus
 
DarkChaos (HCZ) said:
Thanks nexus
as for question #1
I plan to RNG it and will change my PID/ID if someone can provide with a seed that great

#2
What do you mean use vs. seeker?
If it stop NPC (who does run back and forth), will it work when Im doing the Egg IV RNG abuse
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well look for a good seed using pokerng or javaRNg and maybe RNG reporter and for the second I meant that spiritomb appears in the route before solaceon town and there are trainers there that move randomly so you can use the VS seeker to stop them and this won;t work on the peope in solaceon town becasue they are not trainers but random NPCs
 
Ok this is probably an obvious question but...
If the Date/Time of your Seed is

2011-02-08
00:00:14

Wouldnt I set my DS Time to 23:59 and Date 2011-02-08?

EDIT: Nevermind I figured it out..
I would set my DS too...

2011-02-07
23;59
That way when the clock goes over one minute it will change the date to
2011-02-08
00:00
Which is my target time DX
00:00 times are confusing ;__;
 
I'm trying to reset for a TR ditto, on frame 17. (Low frames are great)
I can reliably get frame 17 (1 turn + 7 journal pages), however, when I get the right seed, I always get frame 18. I tried (7 journal pages) in hopes that there was something randomly increasing my seed to 18, but when I tried that, I got frame 16 as my result. Anyone know what's happening to me?
 
Ferrouswheel said:
I'm trying to reset for a TR ditto, on frame 17. (Low frames are great)
I can reliably get frame 17 (1 turn + 7 journal pages), however, when I get the right seed, I always get frame 18. I tried (7 journal pages) in hopes that there was something randomly increasing my seed to 18, but when I tried that, I got frame 16 as my result. Anyone know what's happening to me?
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I know that in some places, the monster frame is 3 instead of 2. That would explain your problem. I just don't get what happened when you tried to do just the journal flips...
Oh, and did you just turn or you also took one step as you turned?
 
Dusk252 said:
I know that in some places, the monster frame is 3 instead of 2. That would explain your problem. I just don't get what happened when you tried to do just the journal flips...
Oh, and did you just turn or you also took one step as you turned?
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Just turned.

And the thing is when I don't have the seed I'm trying to get, I can get frame 17, but when I get the correct seed, I can't get the correct frame.
 
Cool Ivysaur said:
Do the Male/Female columns on the reporter affect the Radar pokes??
I've got a spread like M|M|M|F and i always get nidorino instead of nidorina.
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Well, those columns behave the same way they would for any other PID, but Nidorino and Nidorina are seperate species - they have different Pokedex numbers. In order to obtain a Nidorina, you would have to start the Chain by first catching a Nidorina, and then advance the frame and step into the next patch in the chain to get your desired PID.
 
for54years said:
Well, those columns behave the same way they would for any other PID, but Nidorino and Nidorina are seperate species - they have different Pokedex numbers, and if you breed the two, you will always get a Nidoran (Female) as the result. In order to obtain a Nidorina, you would have to start the Chain by first catching a Nidorina, and then advance the frame and step into the next patch in the chain to get your desired PID.
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Yeah,i tried a seed on frame 95 without a chain.But i guess that geting a nidorino every time was only by chance,cause i was geting the wrong PIDs.
Thanks :]

**I thought that when breeding these 2,the chances were 50/50 of geting either.
 
volch said:
So I use the Actual Frame from the first Pokemon and then advance it to my target Method J Frame? Or is it all Method 1?

And I decided to do some tests, just for the hell of it.

On SEED: 65000709
Traget: None

Four patches shook and I turn+step down and turn+step into:
16 67 22C85802Quirky 0 17 16 18 17 24 12 Rock 32 FFFF
22 67 22C85802Quirky 0 17 16 18 17 24 12 Rock 32 FFFF

Okay, not too bad. I thought I would start on 15, as I have no roamers out, but still, that's not too bad. If anyone knows why it started there, that would be helpful all the same, though.

Four more shook and again I turn+stepx2 into
90 147 3523D170 Quirky 0 26 26 23 27 0 8 Rock 44 FMMF
146 147 3523D170 Quirky 0 26 26 23 27 0 8 Rock 44 FMMF
184 147 3523D170 Quirky 0 26 26 23 27 0 8 Rock 44 FMMF


The frame should have only gone up 20, 6 from the encounter, 10 from the patched and four from my movement. Knowing what I just found out, it seems to have gone up 23. And I had four pokemon in my party, so it couldn't've been the step advancement.

Any thoughts?

@Shananiganeer: Seems we're having the same problem, or atleast close to it. As for why the pokeradar patch didn't have the pokeradar Pokemon? Because the pokeradar hates us all. Sometimes the chain just breaks because it doesn't like you . . .

EDIT: Another try.

SEED: 65000705
Target: None

4 patch, 2 step+turn
15 52 9CDE1CA8 Quirky 0 20 26 11 16 18 0 Fighting 54 MMMF

As expected, 4 patch, 2 step+turn:
73 128 9B78CF07 Quirky 1 25 1 23 21 5 27 Dark 37 FFFF
75 128 9B78CF07 Quirky 1 25 1 23 21 5 27 Dark 37 FFFF
91 128 9B78CF07 Quirky 1 25 1 23 21 5 27 Dark 37 FFFF
101 128 9B78CF07 Quirky 1 25 1 23 21 5 27 Dark 37 FFFF
123 128 9B78CF07 Quirky 1 25 1 23 21 5 27 Dark 37 FFFF

Either 21 or 23 advancement . . .
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New page.

And I keep getting wierd advancements like this. Can anyone help clear this up for me? Or something?
 
Gonna go do a shiny HG Egg RNG finally. I understand that it's "basically" the same as DPPt RNG, except...

1) No poketch for happiness taps and coinflips to advance the IRNG, so you have to "collect each egg" to get to whatever nature/gender/shinyness/ability you want.
2) Fewer NPCs to jack with your IV frames (I think I noticed that while playing).
3) The game "randomly skips" a few frames here and there (although there apparently was a list of good seeds to use in the RNG Research thread).

That's all I've gathered so far. But seing as I haven't tried it yet, does anybody have any advice for me? Tips and Tricks you've learned?
 
mattj said:
Gonna go do a shiny HG Egg RNG finally. I understand that it's "basically" the same as DPPt RNG, except...

1) No poketch for happiness taps and coinflips to advance the IRNG, so you have to "collect each egg" to get to whatever nature/gender/shinyness/ability you want.
2) Fewer NPCs to jack with your IV frames (I think I noticed that while playing).
3) The game "randomly skips" a few frames here and there (although there apparently was a list of good seeds to use in the RNG Research thread).

That's all I've gathered so far. But seing as I haven't tried it yet, does anybody have any advice for me? Tips and Tricks you've learned?
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i havnt got the games yet - but good luck with it :)
 
Oh, and does anybody know how to find "super low" Egg Seeds? The lowest in the RNG reporter that I could find so far is like... 1 happiness tap and 1 coinflip, which comes out to be...24? eggs (I think?) till it comes out shiny/jolly/ability 1 (what I'm looking for in this case). I don't think that will work, cuz it seems (just from reading) that a lot of PIDs are skipped so it's "doubtful" that this one will show up.

Is there any other way to search for even lower "frame" eggs?
 
mattj said:
Oh, and does anybody know how to find "super low" Egg Seeds? The lowest in the RNG reporter that I could find so far is like... 1 happiness tap and 1 coinflip, which comes out to be...24? eggs (I think?) till it comes out shiny/jolly/ability 1 (what I'm looking for in this case). I don't think that will work, cuz it seems (just from reading) that a lot of PIDs are skipped so it's "doubtful" that this one will show up.

Is there any other way to search for even lower "frame" eggs?
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Yes. Learn how to modify RNG Reporter's source code. :}

What ID\SID do you have? I'll run it through my modified version. Also, international parents or no?
 
I remeber seeing that someone said they had made a program to search the lower frames, but I don't remeber who it was. I'll look for it, and if I find it I'll give you the link to it.
 
OmegaDonut said:
Yes. Learn how to modify RNG Reporter's source code. :}

What ID\SID do you have? I'll run it through my modified version. Also, international parents or no?
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You're a real friend you know that Mike? :)

Here's what I've got so far...
Lucario
Jolly
Inner Focus (Ability 1)
31/31/31/x/31/31
4HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
@L50: 146 / 162 / 90 / 108 / 90 / 156
Close Combat (L42 Lucario) / Extreme Speed (L51 Lucario) / Follow Me (Egg) / Protect (TM)

Parents (RNG'd in Plat already):
M Furret
31/31/31/x/31/31
L 21 (Follow Me)

F Lucario
31/31/31/x/31/31

Seeds to try (copied from Research thread):
| Initial Seed | Frame | Spread | Best For
|___________|____|_____________|_________________________________
| 7A040210 | 7 | B/30/30/31/B/B | HP ICE 70
| FF160211 | 15 | B/B/31/B/30/30 | HP FIGHTING 70
| 5916020B | 13 | B/30/B/30/31/B | HP GRASS 70; HP FIRE 70
| D2080210 | 7 | B/31/31/B/B/31 | HP ELECTRIC 70; HP GROUND 70; 31 All Ivs

ID: 43785
SID: 44258

Good Seeds:
1B0103BB 1 and 2
260702E3 1 and 1
130D03C3 1 and 2
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Also! If it would make it easier / possible if I have international parents, since I've already got perfect parents in Plat, I could easily re-breed one or the other in my HG IN ORDER TO HAVE international parents (Japanese and English).
 
Yeah, I have a modified version of RNG Reporter that I completed today. It does that too. Hopefully, in a week or two one of those versions will go "Gold" and be available for download.
 
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