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np: UU - Can't Touch This

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Capefeather, I don't quite understand your point. Perhaps I just didn't make myself clear.

What I meant is this:
-Testing period ends. A thread is made saying "PM paragraphs to the mods about Pokemon you think are broken".
-After a period of time, the appropriate Pokemon are posted publicly (the ones who were nominated). The people who nominated these Pokemon, if their paragraphs are good enough, are automatically in the voting pool. They don't have to worry about writing yet another paragraph to get to vote. The people who think that one of those Pokemon is not broken can write an appropriate paragraph suggesting as much. If these paragraphs are also good, these individuals are entered into the voting pool as well.

So both sides will get an opportunity to express their opinion, we just won't have any redundancy as far as paragraphs go. It'll be easier for the people in charge too, as they only have to read one set of paragraphs for both nominations and voting rights.
 
Mattman324 said:
Let's look at the new pokemon who _might_ come down!

HIPPOWDON: It's a better Donphan, trading Rapid Spin for Eternal Sand. If this thing comes down, Damp Rock's ban would be trivial, since if DAMP ROCK was banned for an extra 3 offensive turns, imagine what would happen to an eternity of sand for stall?

I'm leaning towards BL, but of course, must see it first. (I STILL don't think Raikou's BL after the initial hype, btw. I still think you overestimate him by letting him get a sub/CM up before you can switch in a counter).

I don't think it's dropping just yet, cause it is so goddamn bulky, but if it does, it would be voted unanimously BL under the Defensive and Support characteristics. Just the thought of Shuckle and Cradily under perma-sand with Hippowdon makes me shudder...

DUSKNOIR: Inferior to Cresselia, slightly superior to Spiritomb. And looking back, Spiritomb was once considered broken! Yeah. (We were idiots at testing back in Round 1 of newUU though) Naw, I don't think it will live up to it's hype. It will be on a lot of teams early on though.

UU almost certainly.

Possibly UU, since it gets some competition from Spiritomb. While it is bulkier, everyone loves no weaknesses.

TENTACRUEL: ...Wasn't he in the Old UU at one time? I think he was. He seems broken in no ways, as a lot of stuff still runs EQ in UU. Good tool for stall teams though.

UU.

I don't think this will drop either. While it has lost its Infernape-checking niche to Latias, it is one of the best Toxic Spikers in the game. It does get competition from Roserade, but personally, I like Tentacruel better. Although it wouldn't be overly broken.

HERACROSS: He can OHKO EVERYTHING in OU with SD and a Burn orb with Facade, Night Slash, and CC. Problem is the same here though: he can't outspeed, and priority is death. Great wallbreaker though.

UU until proven BL.

BL. If this thing gets voted UU... well, that's unimportant because there is NO FUCKING WAY!
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Hippowdon would be BL if he falls I think, I mean, look what happened to Abomasnow. The fact that he can wall like half the metagame doesn't help either.

Tentacruel can make quite a splash in UU, but it depends if Latias gets banned again or not (I see quite a few people advocating Latias become Uber again in the OU np topic). If she does, Tenta should stay in OU because everyone would need him to check Infernape again. If she doesn't, well it's still easily possible that Tenta stays OU (I means it's still a great Poke to use in OU). If it were to fall, it would exactly break UU either.
 
I have a full essay for Cresselia written, and the one for PZ is in the works. I'm very much interested in seeing the metagame do without them and what new OU flunkees we'll have to work with.

As far as I'm concerned, Heracross and Hippowdon are BL and we shouldn't have to waste time testing them. Tentacruel and Dusknoir we'll have to see about, but I doubt they'll have any major impact.
 
shrang said:
Hippowdon would be BL if he falls I think, I mean, look what happened to Abomasnow. The fact that he can wall like half the metagame doesn't help either.
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Min SpA Milo vs 252/0 Hippo: (64.29% - 75.71%)

Just sayin'.

Also, Tentacruel would make an amazing addition to UU if for no other reason than to give another viable spinner.
 
How do the nominations for suspect turn into the actual suspects that are voted on? Like how do you use the nominations to determine what the suspects are? Everything that gets a decent nomination or what?
 
I didn't realize Milotic was half the metagame, either!

Though both of your claims are probably equally ambiguous, I guess
 
Any of you guys think typing some paragraphs up for cress is worth the trouble? I'm planning on just making an essay for frossy.
 
I would strongly advocate doing it just to be safe - I feel pretty comfortable assuming BL, but the potential of what could happen if I am wrong is not a possibility I want to face! I imagine I am not alone in that...
 
Hippowdon is BL. If you guys think Cress is bad, just think about the super-stall trio: Hippowdon, Shuckle, and Cradily.

Tentacruel I think very well might drop to UU, even though it is an excellent pokemon, paring up wonderfully with Empoleon, Gyarados, Suicune, and others who love Toxic Spikes (although a mutual weakness to Electric isn't good). Not to mention that there are almost no Poison-types in OU, let alone grounded ones. I think even if Latias leaves (I think it might, which disappoints me), Tentacruel will drop. Although I still use it in OU.
 
I have half a mind to nominate Cradily as BL after playing a sandstorm team. I don't think anyone would come of it, but it's much more reasonable than Aggron...
 
Narulyg said:
I have half a mind to nominate Cradily as BL after playing a sandstorm team. I don't think anyone would come of it, but it's much more reasonable than Aggron...
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Indeed.

Unrelated to cradily:Do I have to type up some stuff in the nomination topic before sending my paragraphs in or can I just send it without doing so?
 
No, you don't need to nominate in order to vote, as long as you have met the voting requirements. Wait until the suspects are confirmed to send in your paragraphs.
 
Synre said:
I would strongly advocate doing it just to be safe - I feel pretty comfortable assuming BL, but the potential of what could happen if I am wrong is not a possibility I want to face! I imagine I am not alone in that...
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You are absolutely right! I am going to get started on these paragraphs asap! Just thinking about another test where everything I hate stays makes me cringe. Though, I must say, this second test has helped me with my choices on a few things.
 
MSB said:
Thanks.

Wonder if Aggron will be a suspect. >_>
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I doubt it, it just doesn't seem BL material to me.
Sure, it hits hard, but it's main selling point isn't very accurate. And 2 4x weaknesses doesn't help either.

With fighting having two priorities that are very common in the tier..
 
Looking at the nominations, I saw Flashstorm1 put up Moltres for suspect status. After playing extensively with moltres, I'm currrently 50/50 on whether it is BL worthy or UU. From my battles, I've observed the crucial role froslass plays in its success. A single layer of spikes, coupled with SR guarentees the modest variant a 2hko on chansey - premier special wall of UU. The question is, whether froslass' ability to relentlessly set up spikes pushes a very powerful offensive pokemon into that BL range. I think that should froslass be yanked this round, moltres should at least be given a fair test without the undue influence of pz, cress and froslass.
 
A single layer of spikes, coupled with SR guarentees the modest variant a 2hko on chansey - premier special wall of UU. The question is, whether froslass' ability to relentlessly set up spikes pushes a very powerful offensive pokemon into that BL range.
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I really think Moltres should not be voted BL because of that, like you say Smurf, it's probably Froslass that is the one making Moltres broken. Having to get up a layer of Spikes alongside SR is a tad too much support for the Offensive Characteristic in my opinion, which deems a Pokemon BL or Uber if it can sweep a significant portion of the metagame with little to no support.
 
shrang said:
I really think Moltres should not be voted BL because of that, like you say Smurf, it's probably Froslass that is the one making Moltres broken. Having to get up a layer of Spikes alongside SR is a tad too much support for the Offensive Characteristic in my opinion, which deems a Pokemon BL or Uber if it can sweep a significant portion of the metagame with little to no support.
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Actually, it is with little to no effort, which Moltres fits quite well. I don't understand why everyone is saying "Oh, Moltres is broken only because of Froslass". Of course, Froslass is an important part of Moltres's success, but I'm almost positive that Cloyster, Omastar, Qwilfish, hell even Glalie and Cacturne can also get at least 1 layer of spikes up with ease, which is all Moltres really needs to sweep a team.
 
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