Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

COKTAL said:
It gave a pop-up error saying that your string conversion was incorrect. It also said it was supposed to multiply an integer and a string. I just deleted and re-downloaded and it works now. I tried to save over it about 4 days ago, but it still didn't work. I guess it just had to be deleted.
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The issue was that I accidentally had the seedfinding function pointing at the middle input textboxes rather than the right (and correct) ones! X_X
 
Misdreavus said:
Here's some information that may be useful to anyone who's trying to RNG their ID/SID in HG/SS:

The fastest I could get through the opening of the game (from soft reset until the point where you can dismiss Oak's final message and enter the game world) was 1:07.540, which translates to a delay of 4052. This is when I named myself "A," so you'll probably have to allot a bit more time to name yourself.
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Ah, thank you. That's very helpful.

Kind of a simple question, but does anyone know how to calibrate frames/delay in HGSS? I can't exactly go catch a high-leveled Magikarp while trying to get my TID/SID. :{P
 
Does everyone's game just hit odd delays? I'm trying to ID abuse but no matter what i do insert or remove a cart doesn't change it and I can't do what omegadonut suggested as I do not have access to the opening menu yet
 
So I'm at the burned tower in HG, when I go release Raikou/Suicune/Entei, are the IVs generated for them at that point? If so, is it for all three, or just Raikou and Entei?
 
Pehu said:
Omega, you could always compress it with 7zip, and upload on megaupload, rapidshare, or something like that.
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There's something ironic about me going to the trouble of making this huge-ass list and then being too lazy to find webspace.

I think I have an account on Box.net, I can put it there.
 
Yeah, that list is really something huge, that will help the community a lot.

I'm still waiting for my US HG to arrive, so I can abuse it. But I'll probably choose something from your list.
 
Great list.

Am I right when I think that the In Group collumn is the one we should look at to find the spreads that are shiny on the same ID/SID?
 
OmegaDonut said:
Only one. That means if you have no roamers, you'll start on frame 3 almost every time.

I recommend against having roamers because it seems sometimes they advance the RNG by 2, sometimes by 1.
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so... does he move and constantly change the frame? or at intervals? or only once (when loading map)
 
UltraSkydive said:
can anyone tell me my delay range here is what i got:
seconds-delay
33-635
33-653
33-659
31-649 I really huried on this one for some odd reason
33-632
33-651
33-637
33-635
33-655
33-643
32-639
34-647
33-655
33-659
33-643
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Are you sure about the bolded one? It doesn't seem likely that you have one even delay among a multitude of odd ones unless you decided to insert a 3rd gen game cartridge just for one reset, which wouldn't make a lot of sense.
 
Age of Kings said:
So I'm at the burned tower in HG, when I go release Raikou/Suicune/Entei, are the IVs generated for them at that point? If so, is it for all three, or just Raikou and Entei?
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Just Raikou & Entei. Suicune is a method K pokemon encountered through an interactable event on Route 25, so only the former two will have the IV's decided when one releases them/faints them and defeats Lance.
 
to RNG for Raikou and Entei... I have to do that before I release them right? and is it better to catch Suicune in one place or the other? or is it the same either way?
 
demondragon0 said:
is rng abuse same with HG/SS as pokemon pearl,platium,diamond or is it different
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depends.... frrom what I understand... eggs are the same with the exception that there's no poketch so you have to walk a LOT.... and you cant make them shiny (thus far) and Method J no longer exists.... you must use Method K.... i'm unsure about Method 1 pokes though.... maybe the same?
 
Misdreavus said:
I'm trying to RNG my ID/SID on my new HeartGold, and have a few questions. I believe that if I DON'T hit my seed, I use the right column of Pandora's Box to see what seed I did get (and to adjust my timing accordingly), correct? If so, regarding that right-hand column, would "Minute" be the minutes on the DS clock when I SR or when I dismiss Oak's "I'll see you later" message?
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I've been using DeSmuMe to watch the RNG's RAM address, and it turns out the seed is set right when you press A at the Ho-oh screen (well, actually a few moments after, but still). So the minimum delay is probably around 450 or so, not 4000.

EDIT: Okay, I saw it got the seed I wanted (E7031E3D), hoping to get ID 40000. But the end result was completely different (ID 8763, still looking for the SID). RNGing for ID\SID in HGSS may be more difficult than I thought.

EDIT #2: So it turns out I would have realized what was going on if I actually read TCCPhreak's research. The seed I'm getting is completely different because it seeds AGAIN after I go through the whole sequence with Oak.
 
OmegaDonut said:
I've been using DeSmuMe to watch the RNG's RAM address, and it turns out the seed is set right when you press A at the Ho-oh screen (well, actually a few moments after, but still). So the minimum delay is probably around 450 or so, not 4000.

EDIT: Okay, I saw it got the seed I wanted (E7031E3D), hoping to get ID 40000. But the end result was completely different (ID 8763, still looking for the SID). RNGing for ID\SID in HGSS may be more difficult than I thought.
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Really? I had been told it was at the dismissal of the "I'll see you later" message, so I'm quite surprised I was able to do it successfully when I was planning my timing around that. It did take a few hours, though, and although most of the time I hit a delay that was within 4 of my target (I must have been pretty consistent going through the opening, lol), I did have a few that were 20 or so frames away, so your new discovery would explain that. Ironically, I finally got it right around the time you posted the guide, but I didn't see it until after I saved and didn't want to restart my game and go through the whole process again. Thanks for posting that, though... I'm sure I'll find it helpful in the future.

By the way, after reading your post in the HG/SS RNG Research thread about even/odd frames, I assume that at this point in the game (no "Continue" screen) there's absolutely no way to hit an even delay if you're hitting odd ones and vice versa, which caused me to have to change seeds and ID numbers since my first choice had an even delay for 2010 and I was hitting odd delays. I didn't want to change the year since it would be forever reflected on my trainer card. I don't really care about the ID number (although it was neat that my first choice was only 2 digits xD); I just wanted an SID that would get me a shiny Timid 31/x/31/31/31/31 spread for Mewtwo and Latios.

Thanks for letting me know!

EDIT: I just saw your second edit... so essentially the seeding at the Ho-oh/Lugia screen is negligible since the seeding at the dismissal of the "I'll see you later" message will ultimately control your ID/SID?
 
Balls. I kept getting odd delays when I was aiming for an even-delay seed, and now I keep getting even delays on an odd-delay seed.
 
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