Thanks a bunch dude, just what I needed :D
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Thanks a bunch dude, just what I needed :D
You mean it's hard for every legends? And not just Raikou and Entei?
How do I verify my seed in HG/SS?
And how to verify my seeds in DPPt?
the DPPt stuff is in the front page go read that. as for HG/SS catch a pokemon check its IVs input the information into seed finder on rng reporter click generate and you should get your seed and remmeebr to check the box labeled HG/SS delays in case its a small delay. As for difficulty (which I'm sure you asked about before) again its not as easy as it was in D/P/Pt
I'm getting sick of reading this question being asked all the time and constantly getting PMs about it. I'm going to type it all up here in a (hopefully) easy to understand format that maybe can be used by everyone else wanting to know.
How to RNG Raikou or Entei post E4
(I'm assuming you do not have AR for the purpose of writing this, AR will only make it easier)
Make sure you have fainted all roamers on the map!!
The 1st thing you need to do is find your desired spread. They are both Method 1 and the monster number is irrelevant as part of this guide.
Now make sure you have a Sweet Scenter, Go to Mt Silver, Climb up to the 1st outside area and save in a patch of grass. You will notice in this area there are no NPCs and a abundant supply of level 50+ pokemon such as Golbat, Golduck, Donphan etc.
Using the time and delay required for your seed start your process of resetting, aiming for your seed, verifying it by sweet scenting and catching a pokemon and inputting its stats into Reporters 'Find Seed by Stats' function. I like to keep notepad open with what I caught and its corresponding delay.
Once you have your seed Fly to Indigo Plateau, then run all the way up to the top and speak to the guy to enter the E4 as quickly as you can. There is one NPC in here who moves and there is nothing we can do to stop him.
Now just fight the E4 as normal, the trainer battles do not affect the RNG and from this point onwards the only thing that will mess up our frame is walking 128 steps. It is very important you take the most direct route into the next room after each battle so we can keep tabs on the steps we take.
Once you have beaten Lance, skipped through the credits, and restarted, encounter your target. Masterball it, then find its IVs and frame number.
Now we have all the information we need. We get our target frame, subtract the frame we just got and we now know how far to advance the RNG to get the one we want. Example, your target frame was 335, and this Raikou is a method 1 frame 175. Which means this time we want to advance 160 frames before fighting Lance, which is 32 times walking 128 steps with 5 pokemon in our party
Reset your game, kill the roamers again, make sure you have 5 (for my example, depends on your specific requirements) in your party, go back to the same place in Mt Silver and save your game.
If you kept a notepad like I do you will encounter the exact same pokemon as last time for your seed verification. Repeat the whole process knowing that the NPC in Indigo Plateau will move the same way on the same seed so if your as quick as last time there will be no change. Make sure you walk the same path as last time, this is very important
As you enter Lances room do not move forward as this will trigger autopilot into the final battle, but instead do laps left to right in his room. I find it easiest to count how many steps per lap then just count laps til I get to my target. After this defeat Lance and catch your Target.
There are a couple of things that can go wrong:
- If your a little slower or faster in Indigo Plateau the NPC may have moved more or less
- You may trigger the 128 steps 1 more or 1 less time than you did the 1st time because we dont know which part of the cycle we saved on. (This happened to me once but you know this happened cos your frame is off by the number of pokes in your party)
- The phone may ring, if this happens on your 1st run through, make sure you wait for it to ring on your target run. Also if it didn't ring the 1st time and it does the 2nd time, you took too long and there is nothing to do but reset and try again faster.
Good Luck and Happy Hunting
How to RNG Raikou or Entei post E4
(I'm assuming you do not have AR for the purpose of writing this, AR will only make it easier)
Make sure you have fainted all roamers on the map!!
The 1st thing you need to do is find your desired spread. They are both Method 1 and the monster number is irrelevant as part of this guide.
Now make sure you have a Sweet Scenter, Go to Mt Silver, Climb up to the 1st outside area and save in a patch of grass. You will notice in this area there are no NPCs and a abundant supply of level 50+ pokemon such as Golbat, Golduck, Donphan etc.
Using the time and delay required for your seed start your process of resetting, aiming for your seed, verifying it by sweet scenting and catching a pokemon and inputting its stats into Reporters 'Find Seed by Stats' function. I like to keep notepad open with what I caught and its corresponding delay.
Code:
501 (Species) - (Gender) - (xxxHP)
503 (Species) - (Gender) - (xxxHP)
[B]505 Target Seed[/B]
507 (Species) - (Gender) - (xxxHP)
509 (Species) - (Gender) - (xxxHP)Once you have your seed Fly to Indigo Plateau, then run all the way up to the top and speak to the guy to enter the E4 as quickly as you can. There is one NPC in here who moves and there is nothing we can do to stop him.
Now just fight the E4 as normal, the trainer battles do not affect the RNG and from this point onwards the only thing that will mess up our frame is walking 128 steps. It is very important you take the most direct route into the next room after each battle so we can keep tabs on the steps we take.
Once you have beaten Lance, skipped through the credits, and restarted, encounter your target. Masterball it, then find its IVs and frame number.
Now we have all the information we need. We get our target frame, subtract the frame we just got and we now know how far to advance the RNG to get the one we want. Example, your target frame was 335, and this Raikou is a method 1 frame 175. Which means this time we want to advance 160 frames before fighting Lance, which is 32 times walking 128 steps with 5 pokemon in our party
Reset your game, kill the roamers again, make sure you have 5 (for my example, depends on your specific requirements) in your party, go back to the same place in Mt Silver and save your game.
If you kept a notepad like I do you will encounter the exact same pokemon as last time for your seed verification. Repeat the whole process knowing that the NPC in Indigo Plateau will move the same way on the same seed so if your as quick as last time there will be no change. Make sure you walk the same path as last time, this is very important
As you enter Lances room do not move forward as this will trigger autopilot into the final battle, but instead do laps left to right in his room. I find it easiest to count how many steps per lap then just count laps til I get to my target. After this defeat Lance and catch your Target.
There are a couple of things that can go wrong:
- If your a little slower or faster in Indigo Plateau the NPC may have moved more or less
- You may trigger the 128 steps 1 more or 1 less time than you did the 1st time because we dont know which part of the cycle we saved on. (This happened to me once but you know this happened cos your frame is off by the number of pokes in your party)
- The phone may ring, if this happens on your 1st run through, make sure you wait for it to ring on your target run. Also if it didn't ring the 1st time and it does the 2nd time, you took too long and there is nothing to do but reset and try again faster.
Good Luck and Happy Hunting
Sorry for me being a pest again but how about the other Legends (for now let's ignore those annoying roamers) ?
Is RNG abusing for them the more or less the same as DPPt?
For example, from RNG reporter Time Finder I chose the seed 930A0267 with frame 1, PID is F22CC2A8, Jolly Nature, 30/31/30/12/20/31, with a delay 605.
Can I do that in HG/SS while using emloop for the 605 delay?
Is RNG abusing for them the more or less the same as DPPt?
For example, from RNG reporter Time Finder I chose the seed 930A0267 with frame 1, PID is F22CC2A8, Jolly Nature, 30/31/30/12/20/31, with a delay 605.
Can I do that in HG/SS while using emloop for the 605 delay?
After reading newts Ute guide i did not use that exact process I would try and hit my delay right before facing lance because I can easily hit my delay(this is not recommended) but it seems after receiving expn card in kanto(I assume) I was able to use the radio to advance my frame in the elite four, out of sheer frustration of thinking about running so much, I check the radio and it was working. Only talking about this because I do not think anyone mention they could use the radio in E4.
What you do is, open up the RNG Reporter, 7.10 if you can, go to Seed Finder. Look at the bottom of the window and you'll see a box for HGSS Delay.
nuff said.
Unless, there's something else?
nuff said.
Unless, there's something else?
Well when I did mine very little was known about the radio as not many of us speak Japanese lol Well I guess my guide is still valid but you can substitute your laps in Lances room with radio detunes
No,i mean :
How i can do for have a shiny egg without apps 6 and 15?
Unanswered questions...
Sorry for me being a pest...
About the other Legends (for now let's ignore those annoying roamers) ?
Is RNG abusing for them more or less the same as DPPt?
For example, from RNG reporter Time Finder I chose the seed 930A0267 with frame 1, PID is F22CC2A8, Jolly Nature, 30/31/30/12/20/31, with a delay 605...for Ho-Oh.
And I KO the runners (if they were there).
Can I do that in HG/SS while using emloop for the 605 delay?
Sorry for me being a pest...
About the other Legends (for now let's ignore those annoying roamers) ?
Is RNG abusing for them more or less the same as DPPt?
For example, from RNG reporter Time Finder I chose the seed 930A0267 with frame 1, PID is F22CC2A8, Jolly Nature, 30/31/30/12/20/31, with a delay 605...for Ho-Oh.
And I KO the runners (if they were there).
Can I do that in HG/SS while using emloop for the 605 delay?
OK next bit then, I am trying to use Emloop to abuse for my ID/SID on HG/SS. My question is, at what point should I click start on Emloop, as I seem to recall mention of your delay actually being reset again just after you finish talking to Oak? Should the timer start on his very last line?
(Sorry if this makes no sense).
(Sorry if this makes no sense).
Each egg you pick up advances the egg RNG by 1. So pick up a number of eggs equal to the frame - 1 (not 100% sure; if I'm wrong, correct me). I don't think there's any easier way...
This is a pretty clever way to determine the current egg seed, as the Spinda's spots are a direct indication of the PID. However, we still accomplish the same thing by catching a Pokemon to verify the seed with RNG Reporter.
I've just updated the consolidation post with Newts_Ute's guide, and this possible way of verifying your seed:
When abusing for non-runner Legends, is the process similar as that to D/P/Pt?
For example, from RNG reporter Time Finder I chose the seed 930A0267 with frame 1, PID is F22CC2A8, Jolly Nature, 30/31/30/12/20/31, with a delay 605...for Ho-Oh...of course it's method K.
Assuming I KO the runners before that.
Can I do that in HG/SS while using emloop for the 605 delay?
I have to choose a frame of 1 so that it doesn't give me problems.
But I think for the higher delay, there's emloop to help.
So is the above example applicable here in HGSS?
For example, from RNG reporter Time Finder I chose the seed 930A0267 with frame 1, PID is F22CC2A8, Jolly Nature, 30/31/30/12/20/31, with a delay 605...for Ho-Oh...of course it's method K.
Assuming I KO the runners before that.
Can I do that in HG/SS while using emloop for the 605 delay?
I have to choose a frame of 1 so that it doesn't give me problems.
But I think for the higher delay, there's emloop to help.
So is the above example applicable here in HGSS?
Sounds like a perfectly good plan. Good luck!
Well I thought it could be useful in working out how to breed shinies in emerald
aackk
My questions aren't answered yet.
Is RNG abusing non-runner legends in HG/SS the same as that in D/P/Pt?
My questions aren't answered yet.
Is RNG abusing non-runner legends in HG/SS the same as that in D/P/Pt?
By the way, I'd just like to report that when abusing the trainer ID in HG/SS, it's easily possible to hit delays as low as 4000. I hit 4001 just a minute ago, by going as fast as possible through the intro (it should be faster if you don't name your character; I gave mine a 3-letter name).
It all depeonds on what you mean.....
Help us, by stating exactly what you mean, and you could get a clear answer.
I myself have been saving in front of Ho-oh and using him to check my delay. You can do the same.
Lugia is different depending which game you have.
This is what I've typed, but all I got are inconsistent replies or no replies at all...
"When abusing for non-runner Legends, is the process similar as that to D/P/Pt?
For example, from RNG reporter Time Finder I chose the seed 930A0267 with frame 1, PID is F22CC2A8, Jolly Nature, 30/31/30/12/20/31, with a delay 605...for Ho-Oh...of course it's method K.
Assuming I KO the runners before that.
Can I do that in HG/SS while using emloop for the 605 delay?
I have to choose a frame of 1 so that it doesn't give me problems.
But I think for the higher delay, there's emloop to help.
So is the above example applicable here in HGSS?"
I need 1000% accurate answers this time...
Here's what Omega said.
He did the *snip which answered your question.
Just go out and try it out. Experimenting is part of success.
I need someone to confirm something.
Thing is on Seed B1150781
there is this
PID: 76ce7180
TIMID
31/31/30/30/31/30
HP Fire 70
on Frame 42 for Method 1.
Naturally I wanted to use this one for Latias.
But the game, no matter what won't let me hit this seed. 43, 44, but never 42 no matter what I do.
It skips the frame.
Talking to Troy advances the frame Random and it won't actually let me hit 42.
Can anyone confirm that it is NOT possible to hit this frame for latias or is it just me who can't do it:(
Thing is on Seed B1150781
there is this
PID: 76ce7180
TIMID
31/31/30/30/31/30
HP Fire 70
on Frame 42 for Method 1.
Naturally I wanted to use this one for Latias.
But the game, no matter what won't let me hit this seed. 43, 44, but never 42 no matter what I do.
It skips the frame.
Talking to Troy advances the frame Random and it won't actually let me hit 42.
Can anyone confirm that it is NOT possible to hit this frame for latias or is it just me who can't do it:(
Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong in my process of setting up a perfect shiny pokemon egg in Diamond.
-Instead of using what ever current seed I am on and tapping the happiness app over 10,000 times, I am aiming for a specific seed.
-I find a proper seed that matches my ID/SID and has the spread I want of Shiny, Impish, Male, Ability 1
-I generate times for the seed, find one I like, and generate a list of times/delays around it with coinflips to check.
-I have properly calibrated my PikaTimer and keep trying to hit the proper seed, again, using coinflips to check.
-I have 5 pokemon in my party, two of them the parents, no everstones or anything.
-I finally hit the seed with all 10 coinflips matching.
-I do the amount of taps/flips that RNGReporter tells me to (emphasis here ->) THAT ALREADY INCLUDED THE 10 TO CHECK. Right what it says, 6 taps, 8 flips, ("# of taps/flips assume I did 10 flips to check)
-I put parents in the daycare center, hit my AR code to spawn an egg (which I saw BearsFan do in his video), SAVE by the dude, and check the egg to see if it is shiny and correct nature/ability
-It is never shiny and the nature is wrong. I have done this three different times now.
Where did I go wrong? I hit my seed, confirmed my seed, followed directions, have my ID/SID right... and it comes out wrong. I am not miscounting my taps/flips. I am not doing anything with the happiness app open until I do my taps. The only thing I can imagine is that my ditto might be international. Can anyone think of anything it might be beside that? I will work on trying using the international option to see if it is that until I hear anything from you all. Sorry for long post, but I can't think of anything else to do. All the guides/videos assume you just use your current seed and mine always have over 10k taps.
-Instead of using what ever current seed I am on and tapping the happiness app over 10,000 times, I am aiming for a specific seed.
-I find a proper seed that matches my ID/SID and has the spread I want of Shiny, Impish, Male, Ability 1
-I generate times for the seed, find one I like, and generate a list of times/delays around it with coinflips to check.
-I have properly calibrated my PikaTimer and keep trying to hit the proper seed, again, using coinflips to check.
-I have 5 pokemon in my party, two of them the parents, no everstones or anything.
-I finally hit the seed with all 10 coinflips matching.
-I do the amount of taps/flips that RNGReporter tells me to (emphasis here ->) THAT ALREADY INCLUDED THE 10 TO CHECK. Right what it says, 6 taps, 8 flips, ("# of taps/flips assume I did 10 flips to check)
-I put parents in the daycare center, hit my AR code to spawn an egg (which I saw BearsFan do in his video), SAVE by the dude, and check the egg to see if it is shiny and correct nature/ability
-It is never shiny and the nature is wrong. I have done this three different times now.
Where did I go wrong? I hit my seed, confirmed my seed, followed directions, have my ID/SID right... and it comes out wrong. I am not miscounting my taps/flips. I am not doing anything with the happiness app open until I do my taps. The only thing I can imagine is that my ditto might be international. Can anyone think of anything it might be beside that? I will work on trying using the international option to see if it is that until I hear anything from you all. Sorry for long post, but I can't think of anything else to do. All the guides/videos assume you just use your current seed and mine always have over 10k taps.