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I have been using a CM Uxie (well, never used Uxie in the firt place), and i must say it's a really good poke.
Kind of Cresselia clone (and without the huge HP), but with Heal Bell at your disposal (and great speed too).
Heal Bell means Uxie isn't afraid of status, while at the same time it supports your team (something Cresselia couldn't do with her CM set).


Care to elaborate (about Dugtrio)?
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No. Hihihihihi -_-

I just don't find BL worthy.
 
CB is not the way to go imo. Contrary to popular belief, Dugtrio is not setup bait for anything except pokes that resist the QuakeEdge combo (Torterra, Claydol?) when it runs LO. Not just levitators come in on CB EQs. So can just about anything else that resists.

SubLO on the other hand fixes so many things. Sub to beat Sucker Punch users who are actually quite common. It's also very convenient for scouting. EQ and Stone Edge do what they always do: provide great coverage with high base power. Sucker Punch or Beat Up can be stuck in the last spot. I personally prefer Sucker Punch. All you people who think Trio is asking to be set up on, please tell me just what exactly can set up on it bar Torterra/CM Claydol?/Levitate Bronzor?
 
j. franky said:
Care to elaborate? Does it not fit the characteristic nicely? It does support another Pokemon, making their sweeps sufficiently easier. If you can't grab this simple concept then I don't know anymore.

I've said this many times in this thread, LO Dugtrio is not a good set to run. Dugtrio has 80 Base Atk - nothing impressive. Your best shot is running Choice Band. You don't like set up bait? bring something that will check levitators who decide to set-up, its simple as that.
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If one wants to use Dugtrio purely for taking out Registeel and Chansey, one may forego a jolly nature for adamant and a choice band.

It has the drawbacks of being outsped by Raikou and other base 105's plus+, and I wouldn't advise to use unless you are strictly planning to counter Registeel/Chansey.

Dugtrio deals a jaw dropping:
74.7% - 89% to Registeel

And a: 65.5% - 77.2% to Chansey

Again I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire. (It's pretty useful in UU)
but it can do some serious damage to some pokemon.
 
Smurf. said:
Is it just me or does beat up do ~23% to chansey (according to smogon calc)

and yes, I did make it 6 hits.
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Yeah its just you...maybe it meant 23% for each or something? or maybe you have a team of 5 chanseys and duggy which caused it to get ridiculously low damage
 
Smurf. said:
Is it just me or does beat up do ~23% to chansey (according to smogon calc)

and yes, I did make it 6 hits.
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It depends of your other pokes.

More Base Atk means more damage.

Using Beat Up with a team of Shucke, Chansey and Ledian won't work, for example.
 
Are you sure you did it correctly? Remember, Beat Up makes every member of your team deal a base 10 typeless attack (as opposed to Dugtrio attacking six times), and Beat Up calculates using BASE Atk and Def. The latter is why it cuts through Chansey like butter.
 
Rolfkip said:
All you people who think Trio is asking to be set up on, please tell me just what exactly can set up on it bar Torterra/CM Claydol?/Levitate Bronzor?
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Leafeon, Uxie, Tangrowth, Mesprit, Slowbro, Umbreon and Miltank. Probably more, but those are seven relatively common examples I can recall in mere seconds.
 
Lemmiwinks MkII said:
Leafeon, Uxie, Tangrowth, Mesprit, Slowbro, Umbreon and Miltank. Probably more, but those are seven relatively common examples I can recall in mere seconds.
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I guess my point was that I never have problems with other Pokes actually setting up on me. All the common "offensive" setup pokes are out sped and usually 2HKO'd by EQ/SE -> Sucker Punch or just EQ/SE -> EQ/SE. Bulky setup pokes do pose a problem but are usually much weaker and slower than their offensive counterparts, making them easy pickings for Haze users. Special mention to Toxic/Haze/Resttalk Milotic.
 
Fuck Dugtrio/Moltres/Raikou...

After making a team in 2 mins to test out dugtrio's "brokeness" i found the combo of SubLOtrio w/Beatup, Restalk DD Altaria, and CM Uxie to be absolutely devastating. Duggy never fails to trap and kill Chansey and Regi (largely because of peoples inability to comprehend a thing called shed shell..) leaving the two open to sweep unhindered.

CM Uxie is essentially Cresselia's little bitch of a sister and poses just as much problems as Cress last round.

Restalk Altaria has neat resistances and special bulk to play with and is a great physical counterpart.

Throw in a Raikou to beat Haze milotic and you got one fearsome offense.
 
Dugtrio deals a jaw dropping:
74.7% - 89% to Registeel

And a: 65.5% - 77.2% to Chansey
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Now, I know all Duggy's supposed to do is to weaken Registeel and Chansey, but seriously, that sounds nowhere near jaw dropping. The only way it is jaw dropping is how little it does. Again, "CB?? Super Effective attack?? STAB Base 100 Power moves?? No OHKO?? WTF?!"

Anyway, while Dugtrio supports the team nicely by taking care of Chansey and friends, you have consider that Duggy can only remove one of them reliably. Let's just pretend you just removed Chansey. You think Moltres can come in for an easy sweep, right?? Not exactly. Many stall teams also pack Milotic, who counters Moltres very nicely. Raikou can come in for a sweep?? Say hi to Steelix if you're not packing Hidden Power Water. The problem is, while it is easier for stuff like Raikou and Moltres to sweep when you remove Chansey, it is not easy enough because Pokemon can overlap their duties on a stall team, and become makeshift counters to these sweepers when their primary counter goes down. So, while Dugtrio makes it easier for them to sweep, he doesn't make it easy enough for him to be BL. Plenty of other Pokemon fit the Support Characteristic much, much better than Dugtrio (Say hi to CB Rhyperior anyone??).
 
shrang said:
Now, I know all Duggy's supposed to do is to weaken Registeel and Chansey, but seriously, that sounds nowhere near jaw dropping. The only way it is draw dropping is how little it does. Again, "CB?? Super Effective attack?? STAB Base 100 Power moves?? No OHKO?? WTF?!"

Anyway, while Dugtrio supports the team nicely by taking care of Chansey and friends, you have consider that Duggy can only remove one of them reliably. Let's just pretend you just removed Chansey. You think Moltres can come in for an easy sweep, right?? Not exactly. Many stall teams also pack Milotic, who counters Moltres very nicely. Raikou can come in for a sweep?? Say hi to Steelix if you're not packing Hidden Power Water. The problem is, while it is easier for stuff like Raikou and Moltres to sweep when you remove Chansey, it is not easy enough because Pokemon can overlap their duties on a stall team, and become makeshift counters to these sweepers when their primary counter goes down. So, while Dugtrio makes it easier for them to sweep, he doesn't make it easy enough for him to be BL. Plenty of other Pokemon fit the Support Characteristic much, much better than Dugtrio (Say hi to CB Rhyperior anyone??).
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I'm not proposing that he is BL material, I was just presenting the calcs.
 
A well played dugtrio can take out Chansey/Regi combo. Both of them.

Alternatively, it really only has to severly damage registeel (~60%) for its job to be accomplished.
 
shrang said:
Now, I know all Duggy's supposed to do is to weaken Registeel and Chansey, but seriously, that sounds nowhere near jaw dropping. The only way it is jaw dropping is how little it does. Again, "CB?? Super Effective attack?? STAB Base 100 Power moves?? No OHKO?? WTF?!"

Anyway, while Dugtrio supports the team nicely by taking care of Chansey and friends, you have consider that Duggy can only remove one of them reliably. Let's just pretend you just removed Chansey. You think Moltres can come in for an easy sweep, right?? Not exactly. Many stall teams also pack Milotic, who counters Moltres very nicely. Raikou can come in for a sweep?? Say hi to Steelix if you're not packing Hidden Power Water. The problem is, while it is easier for stuff like Raikou and Moltres to sweep when you remove Chansey, it is not easy enough because Pokemon can overlap their duties on a stall team, and become makeshift counters to these sweepers when their primary counter goes down. So, while Dugtrio makes it easier for them to sweep, he doesn't make it easy enough for him to be BL. Plenty of other Pokemon fit the Support Characteristic much, much better than Dugtrio (Say hi to CB Rhyperior anyone??).
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That is exactly what I run. Remove Raikou's hard counter in Chansey then run the LO Raikou set to pummel everything single check presented. I alternate between HP Ice and HP Water depending on the ladder, but you'd be surprised how scary powerful LO Raikou is.
 
Smurf. said:
Fuck Dugtrio/Moltres/Raikou...

After making a team in 2 mins to test out dugtrio's "brokeness" i found the combo of SubLOtrio w/Beatup, Restalk DD Altaria, and CM Uxie to be absolutely devastating. Duggy never fails to trap and kill Chansey and Regi (largely because of peoples inability to comprehend a thing called shed shell..) leaving the two open to sweep unhindered.

CM Uxie is essentially Cresselia's little bitch of a sister and poses just as much problems as Cress last round.

Restalk Altaria has neat resistances and special bulk to play with and is a great physical counterpart.

Throw in a Raikou to beat Haze milotic and you got one fearsome offense.
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I fought your team, and the Resttalk Altaria got me on surprise: almost sweeped me. Scyther saved me.
And then Scarf Houndoom lead almost turned the table for me... but Uxie is damn bulky...


Speaking of Scarf Houndoom: it makes a good lead.
Pursuit/Dark Pulse Froslass/Uxie/ Mesprit, HP Grass for Omastar/Rhyperior, Overheat anything else.
 
M BLADE said:
I fought your team, and the Resttalk Altaria got me on surprise: almost sweeped me. Scyther saved me.
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Altaria really is a top poke in today's meta. It makes EQ/Power Whip SDSaur into set-up bait and can stall out Moltres. It also does decently against these Thunderbolt/Extrasensory/HP Grass Kou's running around. I ran a Dragon Dancing set with Draco Meteor to punish walls like Slowbro and Tangrowth and it was stalls nightmare. (Milotic is ko'd by DM + Outrage with rocks)
 
Are you using my RestTalk DDTaria set Smurf? If so it doesn't really need Duggy support, seeing as how it beats non-Curse Registeel by itself anyway. I suppose it could help against Steelix, but Duggy fails horribly against Steelix so that's not such a great idea either unless you have huge hazard support. Anyway, for those wondering, RestTalk DDtaria can pretty easily set up on all variants of Venusaur (until they start carrying HP Ice again like they did the last time I was using it >_>) and can easily sweep teams who don't carry powerful ice attacks due to Altaria excellent bulk, typing, and STAB. I've been seeing more Jynx on the ladder too :D This is what I love about UU, there are just so many Pokemon with untapped potential. Speaking of which...SubSD Torterra is a very good Pokemon and everyone should use it.
 
Altaria to me always was a top poke.
It's ability to wall Moltres, Blaziken and Venusaur is really nice.
And it can be a good sweeper too. Though Altaria doesn't have a high attack/sp.atk (Registeel has more...) the high power of it's Dragon attacks kinda compensates that.

The DD Rest Talk Altaria really taught me a lesson: use Aggron, you idiot!

About Torterra: i like passing a Agility to it. From Gorebyss, who's weak to electric attacks, and attracts them (Thunder Wave...), leaving a free BP to Torterra. SD while the opponent probably switches out, and you got a very mean poke.
 
Altaria is a bit underpowered for my tastes. I've used it quite a few times, and found it underwhelming (I'd much rather use Shelgon =D). Yes, you say it walls Moltres, but Stalltres stalls out Altaria so easily it's not funny. RestTalk ones aren't as powerful as the offensive Dragon Dancer, which means phazers/Milotic can come in and ruin your fun.
 
Altaria is actually pretty awesome. I think the defensive dancer set is the best for sure. It provides a win condition (6+ DD's) and can keep the pressure on. It can also keep a huge amount of pokemon i check:
Moltres, Venusaur, Lefties Raikou, and a whole slew of Special attackers at bay.

Doesn't do squat to LO Raikou.

PS: I've been double flinched hax by Moltres' COUNTLESS of times though so I don't know... :P
 
Yeah, it'll be more like a stalemate. Altaria won't kill Milotic anytime soon anyway (Unless you get a crit I guess)
 
shrang said:
Yeah, it'll be more like a stalemate. Altaria won't kill Milotic anytime soon anyway (Unless you get a crit I guess)
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It actually can, although Altaria must be faster than Milotic without a Speed boost (presumably 252 Atk/252 Spe Adamant, although I don't believe many RestTalk Altaria run this).
 
An adamant outrage is doing 33.8% - 39.9% whilst a jolly outrage does 30.8% - 36.6% so a Crit is the only way your getting past Milotic
 
Factoring in two Sleep turns from Rest and possible confusion turns, wouldn't Altaria simply stall Milotic out anyway?
 
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