Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

Eyelander said:
Encounter slots. Got it.
High delay vs high frame? I'm under the assumption a higher max frame gives you more spreads to choose from, and a higher delay is only needed if you want to change the year or something like that?
And ID finder seems to be for rng abusing id/sid. Does it help with finding shiny spreads for my current id/sid?
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A higher delay simply reduces the amount of frame advances you need to perform to hit a certain spread/frame. A lower delay is good because you can usually reliably hit the same seconds/delay on different seeds, while a higher delay is good because it reduces the amount of frame you need to advance by a significant amount.

For finding shiny spreads, try useing the program PokéRNG, a link to which can be found on the first page of this thread.
 
Pokethan said:
I have the hours of the alternating radio shows so people don't have to worry about the inconsistent "That Town, These People" radio show.

Trainer Profiles (3 frames):2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,24
That Town, These People (inconsistent frames):1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15,17,19,21,23
Pokemon Search Party (1 frame):1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15,17,19,21,23
Silver Drama (1 frame):2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24

Just thought some people could use this.
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It's inconsistent? I recall OmegaDonut's post saying that it always advanced the frame by 3, and I used it successfully in RNGing my Ho-oh (needed to advance by 9 frames: tune, detune, tune, detune, tune)...
 
Misdreavus said:
It's inconsistent? I recall OmegaDonut's post saying that it always advanced the frame by 3, and I used it successfully in RNGing my Ho-oh (needed to advance by 9 frames: tune, detune, tune, detune, tune)...
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Well for some reason I have heard complaints about it not always being 3 and when I was resetting Lugia it messed up my frame. I then did the same exact thing and waited for Trainer Profiles to come on and worked fine. My frame was off by a lot too when I used the other radio show. It was off by over 20 frames I think it was. So idk. Someone is going to maybe have to put more research into this because some people say it works and some people don't.
 
Misdreavus said:
It's inconsistent? I recall OmegaDonut's post saying that it always advanced the frame by 3, and I used it successfully in RNGing my Ho-oh (needed to advance by 9 frames: tune, detune, tune, detune, tune)...
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I tried using that station back when I was RNG'ing for Raikou. I did not always get +3. Also, pokemon music did not advance even though it was a sunday.
 
Anyone feel like answering my question >___>
I think I have gotten Honey Tree abuse down so far, but I'm not 100% sure, so here is what I did (If I did anything wrong someone please correct me):
1) I calculated which of my trees were Munchlax tree.
2) I went to a tree that was not a Munchlax tree.
3) I hit a specific seed: bb16028a
4) I am trying to catch Heracross, which is row 6 column 2. Frame 11 appears to yield the requirements:
PID 1: 762C28E3 - last four converted to decimal = 10467/656 = 15.9 = 15
PID 2: B0FF00CD - last four converted to decimal = 205/656 = 0.3 = 0

So if I did my calculations correctly, random number call 1 (on frame 11) yields the number 15, which translates into Column 2. Random number call 2 (on the PID immediately after frame 11) is 0, which translates into row 6.

So I have done this for a non Munchlax tree: Hit the target seed (bb16028a), did 5 page flips which advanced it by 10 to frame 11, and slathered the tree with Honey. Six hours from now, the pokémon that appears in the tree should be Heracross, correct?
 
For using PokeRNG, it asks me for the minimum delay, and maximum delay. Where can i find said numbers?
Also, even when i put "N" for when im asked to search for IVs i still am forced to search for them. Why? Also, i just played around with it and after the program said "Done!" it just asked me for the same information again... why is this?
 
viperGTS said:
For using PokeRNG, it asks me for the minimum delay, and maximum delay. Where can i find said numbers?
Also, even when i put "N" for when im asked to search for IVs i still am forced to search for them. Why? Also, i just played around with it and after the program said "Done!" it just asked me for the same information again... why is this?
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for max and min delay put the lowest delay you can hit and the highest delay you can hit or want to hit for example I put 8000 as my maximum since i don't mind hitting delays that high. As for the IVs you still need to put a minimum IV you want so if you set attack for 20 for example it will search for spreads with and IV of 20 or higher. And as for why it asks you again for the information is because it just does that, the results of your previous search should be on an csv and txt files in the same folder that the pokeRNG application is in
 
OK, I'm posting again in simpler terms because no one is responding to me:

I have tried following the guides and nothing has worked so far RNG wise. If I wanted to sit in a patch of grass that spawns Tangela and I wanted a flawless Impish Tangela to spawn, what steps would I go about taking?

To reiterate, I have RNG reporter. I found my base seed. There's nowhere for me to input which wild poke I want, but I input the nature and IVs and it came back with a frame/delay. I advanced the RNG through the frame, SR'd and got a gentle Ponyta instead. That's one story but I've tried about 5 other times and the results were the same.
 
I thought Entei was supposed to be 5 frames after Raikou?

I was RNGing for Raikou post-E4 and caught Entei to check its IVs since it appeared on a good route before Raikou did. It was frame 688.

Luckily, I decided to double check Raikou's IVs as well (mainly because frame 683 for Raikou didn't make much sense) and it turns out Raikou was on frame 695.
 
d2m said:
OK, I'm posting again in simpler terms because no one is responding to me:

I have tried following the guides and nothing has worked so far RNG wise. If I wanted to sit in a patch of grass that spawns Tangela and I wanted a flawless Impish Tangela to spawn, what steps would I go about taking?
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So, you're trying to catch an Impish Tangela with a good spread. Which game do you have? Diamond/Pearl/Platinum is easier. Also, I personally would find it easier to breed a Tangela than catch one.

To reiterate, I have RNG reporter. I found my base seed. There's nowhere for me to input which wild poke I want, but I input the nature and IVs and it came back with a frame/delay. I advanced the RNG through the frame, SR'd and got a gentle Ponyta instead. That's one story but I've tried about 5 other times and the results were the same.
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Woah, looks like you're doing a few things wrong. So, you load up the game and find your base seed; if you want a good Tangela, it's best to force the game into the seed you want rather than stick with what it gives you... Still, you might be lucky enough to get a good enough spread on the seed you have, which I'll assume you were trying to do. Now, if you're doing that you don't want to soft reset as that will reset your seed, and you'll need to make sure there aren't any outside factors changing the frame; which is pretty hard to do unless you're somewhere with no NPCs. Once you've got the list of frames you want to right click and choose "Calculate Encounter Slots;" this will tell you which Pokémon will come up in that frame. You have to use a seed and frame you know gives a Tangela in the encounter slot.

A much easier way to get a good Tangela would be to look at the information for "Breeding Perfect Pokémon" and go from there.
 
acid_paradox said:
Anyone feel like answering my question >___>
I think I have gotten Honey Tree abuse down so far, but I'm not 100% sure, so here is what I did (If I did anything wrong someone please correct me):
1) I calculated which of my trees were Munchlax tree.
2) I went to a tree that was not a Munchlax tree.
3) I hit a specific seed: bb16028a
4) I am trying to catch Heracross, which is row 6 column 2. Frame 11 appears to yield the requirements:
PID 1: 762C28E3 - last four converted to decimal = 10467/656 = 15.9 = 15
PID 2: B0FF00CD - last four converted to decimal = 205/656 = 0.3 = 0

So if I did my calculations correctly, random number call 1 (on frame 11) yields the number 15, which translates into Column 2. Random number call 2 (on the PID immediately after frame 11) is 0, which translates into row 6.

So I have done this for a non Munchlax tree: Hit the target seed (bb16028a), did 5 page flips which advanced it by 10 to frame 11, and slathered the tree with Honey. Six hours from now, the pokémon that appears in the tree should be Heracross, correct?
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Nope. You need to work in Method 1, not Method J.

You're going to get 58 and 4 as your converted random numbers from Method 1, so you'll be seeing Column 1, Row 6 -> Aipom.

Sorry, man.
 
It's Heart Gold which is to say nothing in the guide seems to apply. I read the HG additions but none of them seem to help. Evidently I have been reading it wrong because I thought I was supposed to advance the RNG through the frame and SR it.

Showsni said:
So, you're trying to catch an Impish Tangela with a good spread. Which game do you have? Diamond/Pearl/Platinum is easier. Also, I personally would find it easier to breed a Tangela than catch one.



Woah, looks like you're doing a few things wrong. So, you load up the game and find your base seed; if you want a good Tangela, it's best to force the game into the seed you want rather than stick with what it gives you... Still, you might be lucky enough to get a good enough spread on the seed you have, which I'll assume you were trying to do. Now, if you're doing that you don't want to soft reset as that will reset your seed, and you'll need to make sure there aren't any outside factors changing the frame; which is pretty hard to do unless you're somewhere with no NPCs. Once you've got the list of frames you want to right click and choose "Calculate Encounter Slots;" this will tell you which Pokémon will come up in that frame. You have to use a seed and frame you know gives a Tangela in the encounter slot.

A much easier way to get a good Tangela would be to look at the information for "Breeding Perfect Pokémon" and go from there.
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Yes, but how do I do that? Just soft resetting over and over and catching something? Jesus fucking Christ this is sucking out what little fun there is in the end-game...now I know why people use ARs...
 
d2m said:
It's Heart Gold which is to say nothing in the guide seems to apply. I read the HG additions but none of them seem to help. Evidently I have been reading it wrong because I thought I was supposed to advance the RNG through the frame and SR it.





Yes, but how do I do that? Just soft resetting over and over and catching something? Jesus fucking Christ this is sucking out what little fun there is in the end-game...now I know why people use ARs...
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Once you find a seed that you like, you have to figure out what time on your DS clock and delay correspond to the seed that you want to hit. The 2nd page of the DPP RNG guide explains how to find your delay and how to hit a target time.

Speaking of which, can you check your initial seed in HG by talking to your Pokemon? Or does that advance the frame? Is there any way of knowing whether you hit your target seed or not? I'm trying to RNG for Kyogre, and I'm really missing the coin flips :/
 
Romsstar said:
Seed Verifier DPPt&HG/SS 0.1 English Beta
http://www.sendspace.com/file/w9hx54
This is an .EXE version of the Standalone Seed Verifier for DPPt and HG/SS.
Anyone who wants to play around with it please do so.
Report the results please to me, check the Research Thread, where we have covered some explanation of this.
I'd like to know about some things, and due to not being able to use DeSmuMe at the moment maybe anyone of you who is bored can clear up some remaining questions.
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Is there any specific pre-requisite to run this? I keep getting an error stating the 'main startup class cannot be found'
 
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