Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

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lol. Umbreon w/ Wonder Gaurd!

Maybe make a dragon evo w/ adaptability.

or...like they said a couple pages back, the Dragon-type Eevee with OwnTempo. It gotta be mead-drunken Norse Dragon to make that ability work.

@below: so what? We got legendaries. We got pseudo-legendaries. Are you considering hero (legendary-slaying) Pokemon now?
 
I wanted to discuss evolutions...specifically, how much does Game Freak expect players to know about the non-level evolutions? Do they expect players to have access to the Internet to have bought a strategy guide? Back in RBY, there were stone evolutions and trade evolutions. I wasn't into Pokemon then but I still knew that Kadabra, Machoke, and Haunter only evolved by trading, and that Pokemon like Vulpix and Clefairy only evolved with a stone. In the anime we see that Pikachu needed a Thunder Stone to evolve (bad-ass episode, by the way) and I knew that trading was necessary to have a full Pokedex, but...how did I know those three needed to trade, and that set need stones? How did my friends who played know?

Item descriptions in the fourth generation suggest items need to be used ("It is loved by a certain Pokemon") but do not really specify what Pokemon or at what time (i.e. Gligar needs to hold a Razor Fang, but only evolves into Gliscor at nighttime). Bulbapedia theorizes that the GTS glitch - where you put one up for trade and then make a trade - might have been intentional on Game Freak's part so that people could get evolved forms, but I don't know how many players would just randomly put up, say a Porygon2 with a Dubious Disc, and ask for an impossible Pokemon and come back 24 hours later.

The reason I ask is because I think the fourth generation was just ridiculous...like having to level up at a specific place (Magneton, Probopass, Leafeon, and Glaceon) or having to use a move like Ancientpower (Piloswine, Tangela) or Rollout or level up at a specific time (Gligar, as I said before), stuff that I'd absolutely have no clue to even guess at how to evolve unless I had Psypokes or other encyclopedias at my fingertips. If anything, I would have tried to use a Leaf Stone to evolve Eevee into Leafeon.

Example: There was one time where I didn't consult a FAQ and traded for a male Combee only to find that male Combees would never evolve into Vesipquen. Then I set up an egg run and later found out that females only had a 12.5% chance of hatching. So I went back on the GTS to find a Vesipquen. I was able to trade for a shiny one, so that was cool, but the frustration still remained with the whole male-female, level-up-at-specific-times/areas, and split evolutionary lines stuff that Game Freak seems to be trending on and will surely happen in the fifth generation when original Pokemon get some love and some awesome evos or useless pre-evos.
 
choice band? watch out for revenge killers! try out a scarf instead, not like huge power is not giving you enough atack already...but jokes aside, a dragon eevee would look retarded, all eevolutions are small and a small fully evolved dragon would be kind stupid.
 
choice band? watch out for revenge killers! try out a scarf instead, not like huge power is not giving you enough atack already...but jokes aside, a dragon eevee would look retarded, all eevolutions are small and a small fully evolved dragon would be kind stupid.

Think Spyro the Dragon. That little guy got some spunk. Eevee can get some spunk too.
 
I think a Dragon Eeveelution can be very good looking. Give it some of fins and crests in the right places, some sleek looking wings, and other decorative stuff and you've got a pretty badass little Eevee. With Outrage.
 
Aesthetics? Nah, game Freak doesn't care about those anymore! "You know what's cool? Spikes! And crowns! And more spikes! AND FUCKING PONYTAILS!"

Agreed. That's what GameFreak was doing when they stuck a school girl's head on a dog's body and called it Glaceon. If they made a Dragon Eevee, I'd prefer it to be special. We have enough physical craze.

@below: Calm down. We stopped that argument for a reason. Sticking to it and spewing profanity is only going to make you sound mad.
 
it eventually leads back to Mawile, and everyone here agrees.

Stop doing that. That. That's the whole reason I keep opening my mouth in spite of this topic running itself dry. Someone just has to be an arrogant fallacious little shit. Everyone agrees. I don't agree. A.K. Swashbuckler, slightly trollish, apparently doesn't agree. BuddyBlueBomber doesn't seem to agree. Artix doesn't agree. I'm probably leaving people from earlier out. EDIT: Oh yeah, DDR Master, with his wonderful link that no one bothered to click on.

Mawile is one Pokemon. Making a better Steel Pokemon than Mawile won't prove your point, because Mawile will still exist.

Mawille will never go away.

Making a better Poison Pokemon is a bandaid. It's an external influence that has no bearing on the type chart itself. Your argument is fluff, all sound and no fury. Making a better Poison Type will elevate existing Poison Pokemon.
 
cool? yes, but it just dont make sense by pokemon standards given ALL fully evolved dragons are bigger then a human leg and eevee is..well...bigger then my head. spyro is kick-ass btw, i am his fan.

edit:you CANT fix the type chart, you fix one thing and another problems appears, this will continue the process of adding new types until the point we reach more existing types then pokemons! mawile was a EXAMPLE! want another? wormadan or whatever is called got a steel/bug type on its trio, its a horrible steel type but its a steel type, still it sucks. you cant have all types be balanced! look at final fantasy...you got atacks like ultima or some random shit that cut the enemy hp by half! add this to the limit breaker skill and boss battles dont exist anymore. you got shit like firaga and thundara that is balanced but there will always have that unique top tier type that is stronger then others.
 
I think it would be cool if they made, like, a dragon.

Now, here me out.

It should be light type.

And ... IT'S HEAD SHOULD BE A CROWN!

And, and ... it's ARMS SHOULD BE GUNS!

You can mail me my check, game freak :)
 
I will never understand their thought process on Tangrowth.

I mean, they had so many options. What is under all those vines? What is he hiding; what is developing?

Oh, he gets an evolution!

Annnnnnnnd it's Tangela Sr.

... Yay?

I'm still wondering what's beneath all that. I bet it's gonna explode out and turn into some crazy monster from Avatar.
 
cool? yes, but it just dont make sense by pokemon standards given ALL fully evolved dragons are bigger then a human leg and eevee is..well...bigger then my head. spyro is kick-ass btw, i am his fan.

edit:you CANT fix the type chart, you fix one thing and another problems appears, this will continue the process of adding new types until the point we reach more existing types then pokemons!

So all Dragon-types are supposed to be similar to Dragonite/Salamence? I think GF needs to start fucking expanding the type. That's why I love Altaria, he's unique unlike all his shitty Dragon-type brothers. A cute yet ass-kicking Dragon Eeeveelution would be awesome.
 
Agreed. That's what GameFreak was doing when they stuck a school girl's head on a dog's body and called it Glaceon. If they made a Dragon Eevee, I'd prefer it to be special. We have enough physical craze

What's this? Latios trying to apply her alpha female status as top Dragon special sweeper? That's a pretty tough pokemon to beat on that side as competition.

What's this? Tangrowth is evolving?

Tangrowth evolved into Solid Snake! Well, he never ceases to amaze me.
 
What's this? Latios trying to apply her alpha female status as top Dragon special sweeper? That's a pretty tough pokemon to beat on that side as competition.

What's this? Tangrowth is evolving?

Tangrowth evolved into Solid Snake! Well, he never ceases to amaze me.

LOL. That Tangrowth...
If the Eevee evolution got 130 base stat points on its HP, 110 on Speed, 95 on SpcAtt, whatever good moves Eevees have now (like Wish), and a movepool larger than most Eevees', it can be some competition. Not to mention, what nice ability it can have (TintedLens!)
 
Guys.


May I ask you to stop talking about new types and whether the chart is balanced or not? Really. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one third of this thread were about it. And hell, we know nothing of the competitive aspect of the game yet. We should wait until we get relevant news, just like when they revealed Thunderpunch would be a physical move back then. One thing is to speculate, other to make a wishlist, other to discuss pacifically. But other is to rehash the same discussion over and over, only to have everybody's animosity higher and higher by each edition.


And hell, this thread is bigger than the old HGSS one already, isn't it?

...This is what results from Game Freak and Nintendo being tighter-sealed than...*insert appropriate metaphor.*

We get bored and decide to bash Mence for a while and come up with extremely stupid types. I am not exempt from this.

Hence, when we get something new to speculate about (a single leak would do wonders, just nothing like Nintendo's leak-proofing jobs (tight as a drum after Twilight Princess's hype backfire) or like Sega's leak-proofing jobs (Apparently Sonic 4 Episode 1 was completely leaked from the beta due to PartnerNet's bad security),) we decide "Alright, we're done for now, and until Nintendo realizes their lack of info is ticking us off, we will spectulate the possibilities and potential metagame implications of a Fail type."
 
I for one would love a Dragon Eevee, but I wouldn't want it to get Outrage. I'd want it to be good, but I wouldn't want it to be just another Dragon. I may be asking for too much.
 
outrage is pretty much given to ALL dragons ever since the move tutor came out (mence stole everything nite had...) and even some non-dragons got the move, i dont see why a dragon eevee would not get outrage too besides the fact it would not be gen 4/sinnoh/where you find the move tutor.
 
Dragon evee would probably be really slow or really frail (unless someone can come up with a balanced spread that gives him good speed and decent defenses, which probably isn't possible, but I would love to see, so can someone post it for me :V?) so Outrage would either be a really good or really bad choice on him. It may be completely irrelevant if he gets Dragon Dance, but, we'll have to wait and see.
 
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