True, I was more thinking of Inner Focus leaving open the possibility of non-Follow Me plays because I expect them to read the Follow Me...or if Lucario somehow survives turn one and comes back later in the game and avoids Fake Out. Certainly on turn 1, Steadfast is better, and that probably makes it better overall.
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True, I was more thinking of Inner Focus leaving open the possibility of non-Follow Me plays because I expect them to read the Follow Me...or if Lucario somehow survives turn one and comes back later in the game and avoids Fake Out. Certainly on turn 1, Steadfast is better, and that probably makes it better overall.
Steadfast only activates if it says "Lucario FLINCHED!" If it doesn't, then he never actually flinched, I've tested this.
If Lucario moves first, which using Follow Me does, then Lucario cannot flinch.
EDIT: Beaten to the post. Oh, well.
EDIT: Beaten to the post. Oh, well.
Or you could just go Super Fang -> Brine if you just want to be a dick.
The only things that learn Super Fang and Brine are Huntail, Mew, and Smeargle. Mew is banned and I don't think you'll be getting off a Super Fang and Brine with Smeargle, maybe if you use some kind of Follow Me user. Huntail would be interesting because it gets Swift Swim but with a low HP and Special Defense stat(the defense stat is 105 though thats pretty nice) I don't know if it would work out very well.
Or you could use a combo of either huntail+ludicolo or smeargle+ludicolo and use superfang and then brine.
Walrein is arguably the best user of the combo. Also, he was almost certainly talking about having 2 pokemon use Super Fang and Brine in the same turn, such as Smeargle followed by Kyogre or Palkia.
If you used Super Fang and had a Kyogre or Palkia out with the mon that used Super Fang you most likely wouldn't be needing Brine to finish the mon. I had also forgotten about Walrein but I haven't seen a VGC match with it being used so I don't know if it could actually work.
Well Super Fang does 50% of the opponent's HP and Brine's power doubles when the opponent has half of it's HP left and with Rain being pretty common I would think it would do enough.
For the exceedingly common Mewtwo-Abomasnow, what are the items that are most commonly used?
Abomasnow has a Sash and Mewtwo usually a Lum berry.
Mewtwo normaly wants Life-Orb for Power. Abomasnow may also hold Iron Ball (if the team _really_ fears Iron Ball Groudon) or Occa Berry.
I have an idea for a nice lead combination, but I dont know if its legal. Ill post it if someone tells me that ohko moves are legal in the vgc. if not, just ingnore and delete this post.
EDIT: SWEETNESS!!
ok so here it is.
Machamp @ Leftovers
Ability: No guard
Nature: Impish
-Dynamicpunch
-Protect
-Substitute
-Endure.
Evs:96hp/176def/252spdef
Smeargle @ Salac berry
Ability: Own tempo
Nature: Jolly
-Fissure
-Dark void
-Sheer cold
-Endure
Evs: 252hp/4def/252speed
So the point here is to Keep Machamp alive as long as possible for its ability. Put foes to sleep with Dark Void and Use your 16 ohko moves to own all your opponents. Criticism please?
EDIT: SWEETNESS!!
ok so here it is.
Machamp @ Leftovers
Ability: No guard
Nature: Impish
-Dynamicpunch
-Protect
-Substitute
-Endure.
Evs:96hp/176def/252spdef
Smeargle @ Salac berry
Ability: Own tempo
Nature: Jolly
-Fissure
-Dark void
-Sheer cold
-Endure
Evs: 252hp/4def/252speed
So the point here is to Keep Machamp alive as long as possible for its ability. Put foes to sleep with Dark Void and Use your 16 ohko moves to own all your opponents. Criticism please?
They are legal ;)
I believe a faster dugtrio with fissure and focus sash would work best D=
Outside of it, rapidash is the fastest horn driller and kyogre for sheer cold, you may scarf it and sheer cold the other weather counter who may think you will switch without the weather on your side.
Outside of it, rapidash is the fastest horn driller and kyogre for sheer cold, you may scarf it and sheer cold the other weather counter who may think you will switch without the weather on your side.
Yeah there are faster options. But I chose smeargle because of his ability to hit everything, but I guess a timid scarfed kyogre would do good. But with all the pressures running around. more pp is good.
I have an idea for a nice lead combination, but I dont know if its legal. Ill post it if someone tells me that ohko moves are legal in the vgc. if not, just ingnore and delete this post.
EDIT: SWEETNESS!!
ok so here it is.
Machamp @ Leftovers
Ability: No guard
Nature: Impish
-Dynamicpunch
-Protect
-Substitute
-Endure.
Evs:96hp/176def/252spdef
Smeargle @ Salac berry
Ability: Own tempo
Nature: Jolly
-Fissure
-Dark void
-Sheer cold
-Endure
Evs: 252hp/4def/252speed
So the point here is to Keep Machamp alive as long as possible for its ability. Put foes to sleep with Dark Void and Use your 16 ohko moves to own all your opponents. Criticism please?
No Guard does not effect your partner, so it's as good as not having a Machamp there.
Yes. No Guard affects the Pokemon that Machamp is attacking along with the Pokemon that is attacking Machamp.
You could give him mimic I believe, to use whatever move Smeargle used last but it still seems a little risky.
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