Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

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vonFiedler said:
As for my evolution picks:
Farfetch'd > Guarent'd
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I think you mean Absur'd

EDIT: and, on the topic of Absur'd, I think someone mentioned a while back giving it super luck and use of the stick. So, if it were Fighting/Flying, all its moves would have a 33% chance to crit, and Cross Chop would have a 50% chance (as would Slash, but tht would be unSTAB'd if it were fighting/flying). If it got Focus Energy, it could turn all its moves into 50% crits. So you could have Brave Bird / Close Combat / Focus Energy / filler. That would be very interesting.
 
Res Ipsa Loquitur said:
Yeah, I think GF is afraid of Dunsparce. They were like, "Yeah, we'll give you the STAB Body Slam, STAB Headbutt, perfect movepool Serene Grace abuser... but it's going to be BST 415 including base 45 Speed." They were willing to make it useless to prevent rampant paraflinching stupidity from taking over the game. They just apparently assumed that making Jirachi event-only would keep it from being a factor...
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dunsparce was a 2nd gen poke before there was even abilities.
 
Furthermore, Togekiss. It gets both of those with better stats by FAR- though it's better suited as a Special attacker.
 
It has Nasty Plot, though not, admittedly, at the same time as Body Slam. Doesn't really NEED Charge Beam.

Also has a 40% chance of a SpD drop with Shadow Ball and a huge number of random Fire moves with 20% burn rates. I'd not rely on either of those, though. Shadow Ball and Fire Blast are well worth using on some sets, though!
 
So what is everyone's hopes for the new starter types? Personally, I'd like to see a grass starter that gets either a dragon or fighting typing on the second or third evolution. There's a pretty sweet fakedex on deviantart that has a koala starter line that goes half fighting. I was thinking a spread of something like 95/108/90/80/80/80. Or even better, I would love to see a grass/fighting starter that looks similar to scyther and sceptile with gallade-esque blade arms, gets leaf blade and a new slashing fighting attack as its signiture moves, with a spread of something like 90/120/85/70/75/106. Thoughts?

I'd also like to see the fire starter get a secondary dragon or possibly dark type, though thats not likely, and for the water starter to be based on a platypus and finally end up being water/ice with balanced stats, including decent speed.
 
Frost Nocturne said:
So what is everyone's hopes for the new starter types? Personally, I'd like to see a grass starter that gets either a dragon or fighting typing on the second or third evolution. There's a pretty sweet fakedex on deviantart that has a koala starter line that goes half fighting. I was thinking a spread of something like 95/108/90/80/80/80. Or even better, I would love to see a grass/fighting starter that looks similar to scyther and sceptile with gallade-esque blade arms, gets leaf blade and a new slashing fighting attack as its signiture moves, with a spread of something like 90/120/85/70/75/106. Thoughts?

I'd also like to see the fire starter get a secondary dragon or possibly dark type, though thats not likely, and for the water starter to be based on a platypus and finally end up being water/ice with balanced stats, including decent speed.
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Yeah, that was Timbrawl, right? I think somebody posted a picture of him on this thread already a few pages back.

I don't see Dragon being a secondary type for any of the starters, simply because it offers elemental resistances to Grass, Water, and Fire and hits neutral against all these types as well. That kinda goes against the idea of your starter being weak to your rival's starter. Then again, if one looks at the 4th gen starters, it seems that Gamefreak is starting to abandon that idea (Infernape can hit Empoleon with super-effective fighting moves, Torterra can destroy Infernape with Earthquake, etc.) so your idea may be possible.

I'd like it if the secondary types for all the starters was another elemental trio in itself...I think the only other two possible ones are Fighting/Dark/Psychic and Fighting/Rock/Flying. Your Grass/Fighting blade dude could be complimented by a Fire/Psychic and a Water/Dark. As long as we don't get another Fire/Fighting, any of these would be cool in my book.
 
McLuvdisc said:
Yeah, that was Timbrawl, right? I think somebody posted a picture of him on this thread already a few pages back.

I don't see Dragon being a secondary type for any of the starters, simply because it offers elemental resistances to Grass, Water, and Fire and hits neutral against all these types as well. That kinda goes against the idea of your starter being weak to your rival's starter. Then again, if one looks at the 4th gen starters, it seems that Gamefreak is starting to abandon that idea (Infernape can hit Empoleon with super-effective fighting moves, Torterra can destroy Infernape with Earthquake, etc.) so your idea may be possible.

I'd like it if the secondary types for all the starters was another elemental trio in itself...I think the only other two possible ones are Fighting/Dark/Psychic and Fighting/Rock/Flying. Your Grass/Fighting blade dude could be complimented by a Fire/Psychic and a Water/Dark. As long as we don't get another Fire/Fighting, any of these would be cool in my book.
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Yeah, no more fire/fightings, ffs.

A grass/dark would be cool, I could only imagine how good Shiftry would be with a starters BST (he has a 480 BST, 20 more attack, 20 more speed, and 5 more special defense would be ridiculous). I'd prefer a water/fighting, as Poliwrath has potential but suffers in a few areas (namely being extremely mediocre all around and low BST-500). Arghonaut (CAP) is such a cool concept, I would love for Gamefreak to adopt aspects of it. Then we would be left with a fire/psychic.

Grass/Dark, Fire/Psychic, Water/Fighting:

Grass > Water, Dark > Psychic
Fire > Grass, Psychic > Fighting
Water > Fire, Fighting > Dark

Each starter would be able to hit the others super effectively.
 
Ugh... I tried so hard to resist posting fakemon but you just had to suggest just the right type combinations...

Clubud
Grass
Overgrow
HP 55
Atk 61
Def 58
SpA 61
SpD 58
Spe 30

Dionesaur
Grass / Dark
Overgrow
HP 75
Atk 87
Def 81
SpA 87
SpD 81
Spe 45

Anklovenus
Grass / Dark
Overgrow
HP 100
Atk 110
Def 105
SpA 110
SpD 105
Spe 65

Holupita
Fire
Blaze
HP 44
Atk 67
Def 44
SpA 44
SpD 61
Spe 65

Zealodaos
Fire / Psychic
Blaze
HP 64
Atk 90
Def 52
SpA 52
SpD 82
Spe 86

Paliulfr
Fire / Psychic
Blaze
HP 76
Atk 120
Def 71
SpA 71
SpD 110
Spe 115

Betta Minor (Haven't thought of the right names for these three)
Water
Torrent
HP 51
Atk 61
Def 51
SpA 56
SpD 51
Spe 51

Betta Mid
Water / Fighting
Torrent
HP 68
Atk 88
Def 68
SpA 82
SpD 68
Spe 68

Betta Major
Water / Fighting
Torrent
HP 84
Atk 116
Def 88
SpA 106
SpD 88
Spe 88
 
For starters, I'd prefer to see Fire/Dark, Grass/Fighting and Water/Psychic. Houndoom is really cool, but doesn't have the best stat distribution. So another Fire/Dark would be awesome. Similarly, Breloom is awesome, but it fits into a very specific niche, so there's room for another. Water/Psychic is a little boring and far from unique, but if it was something like Starmie it could still be interesting.
 
Assuming GF doesn't repeat past types for starters, and there isn't any reverse triangles, here are the remaining types available to each type:

Grass:
Grass/Ghost
Grass/Normal
Grass/Steel
Grass/Fire
Grass/Electric

Water:
Water/Ghost
Water/Fire
Water/Bug (I'm counting this since only one pokemon has it, and it wasn't even fully evolved.)

Fire:
Fire/Ghost
Fire/Bug
Fire/Psychic
Fire/Water
Fire/Grass
Fire/Ice
Fire/Electric

I'm rooting for a Grass/Steel at the moment. Sure, now you're 4x weak to fire, but you're now neutral to one of the most common attack type, with most of Grass's weaknesses canceled out by Steel. I'm thinking of a Snake, like a Boa Constrictor, clad in steel plates.
 
How about White gets Normal/Fire, Normal/Grass, and Normal/Water, while Black gets Dark/Fire, Dark/Grass, and Dark/Water. That might be cool. Competitively the Black starters look better, but ingame STAB Cut and Strength in White will be nice, and the Normal/Water could be great with the right stats. And certainly having a different set of starters would be something innovative. One or more starters from the other version could be available in some way, like how other regions' starters have been available.

I considered Ghost as the primary typing for Black - it's more of an 'opposite' to Normal. But I decided each starter hitting them all for SE wasn't a good idea. Of course if we get the infamous Light-type then I'd say that would be the primary typing in White.
 
What makes you think that, if there is a light type (or any other new type), it will be given to one of the starters? GSC introduced the Dark and Steel types, but none of the starters in that Generation even had secondary types. Different starters for different versions might be cool, but it would also be something completely unprecedented.
 
The idea is to have starters with one type Fire/Grass/Water, and the other type different in different games. If there was a Light-type, what would you suggest the version-specific typings of the starters would be, other than Light and Dark in White and Black respectively?
 
How Bout all the Starters have dragon as their secondary type. Think about the awesome that could bring. A Fire Dragon without 600 BST wouldn't be too broken, Grass Dragon is decent typing, and Water Dragon is BAMF.

Plus the elemental types would all be at least nuetral with 2 4* resists a piece.
 
Lucalibur said:
lucario evo:read my username

lame jokes aside i dont think they need to evolve pokemons like foretress and/or skarmory any time soon, though a bronzong evo would be nice for him since he sucks so much.
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Given the existence of Mantyke, Skarm needs a pre-evo that evolves by leveling up with some sort of bramble Pokemon (see its Pokedex entries) in the party more than it needs an evo.

Concept:

Steelark
Steel/Flying
Armor Bird Pokemon
Hp: 45
Attack: 60
Defense: 120
Sp. A. 20
Sp. D. 40
Speed: 50

Because then LC would get Steelax. (Steelark+Munchlax. Admit it, you've always wanted to see LC SkarmBliss.) :naughty:

I imagine it would be a little like Skarmory with one feather per wing, no tail feather, no crane neck, and short legs. And cute eyes.

Also, keep in mind Game Freak has ALSO given things that needed evolutions evolutions. Roserade, for example: Roselia isn't even usable in NU...

And Togekiss.

Also, they confirmed they will reveal a new Pokemon next Pokemon Sunday.

Let's hope it's more than a silhouette.

And that it's an Absur'd that hopefully fits more with Roserade-like evos than Dusknoir-like ones.
 
Aminar said:
How Bout all the Starters have dragon as their secondary type. Think about the awesome that could bring. A Fire Dragon without 600 BST wouldn't be too broken, Grass Dragon is decent typing, and Water Dragon is BAMF.

Plus the elemental types would all be at least nuetral with 2 4* resists a piece.
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Personally I'd prefer to see them go the whole hog and make a 600 BST Dragon/Fire with levitate and a ridiculous stat spread like 70/85/95/135/95/120 (or 70/135/95/85/95/120, but IMO there are too many physical dragons) - possibly setting a record for the fastest time for a 600 BST 'mon to be banned. That said, they could always do a less overpowered version, similar to Flygon and Garchomp.
 
Blissey would check the special version to an extent. Purely special sets would likely be stopped cold. Mixed sets will need a fair amount of EVs in Attack to beat Blissey, which will detract from their special attacking prowess. And Heatran works if Fire/Dragon is denied Earthquake. Rain offers some defense also.

They could also 'fix' Water Sport and Mud Sport, make the effect stay after switching out. You'd probably see Water Sport everywhere to stop this Dragon/Fire, not to mention Scizor might appreciate being able to take weaker Fire hits. (Scizor in Water Sport and Rain has no weaknesses, a frightening prospect. Pity Kyogre doesn't learn the move, otherwise Kyogre and Scizor in VGC...
 
cantab said:
The idea is to have starters with one type Fire/Grass/Water, and the other type different in different games. If there was a Light-type, what would you suggest the version-specific typings of the starters would be, other than Light and Dark in White and Black respectively?
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I would suggest that Gamefreak is never going to do what you just suggested, because then everyone would buy White Version. Three starters with a brand new type vs. starters with type combinations we've already seen? It's a no-brainer. Trouble is, Gamefreak would then be left with thousands of unsold Black versions gathering dust in some warehouse, and a bunch of angry stockholders. Pokemon games may be lighthearted fun, but don't forget that the people who design and produce them are trying to earn money.

I would also respectfully suggest that you are getting way too excited about the names Black and White. The title of a Pokemon game has never signified anything other than the primary color of its mascot Pokemon, and in some cases (like Platinum) it doesn't even match up with that. When we heard that Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire were on the horizon, did we expect all the starters to be part fire in the former and part water in the latter? Did we expect Gamefreak to invent some weird new type like "Gemstone"? Of course not.

Even if a Light type has been invented, I doubt White version will start off by handing it to 9 Pokemon right off the bat. Just look at GSC, the last generation to introduce new types. There were only 6 Darks and 6 Steels in those games, and the only Dark Pokemon available in-game before beating the Elite Four was Umbreon. I know Gamefreak isn't bound to follow the precedents of earlier games, but they're the best aid to prediction we've got. And judging by precedent, Light types in BW (if they even exist) will be hard to find in the wild, not available until late in the game, and few in number.
 
cantab said:
Blissey would check the special version to an extent. Purely special sets would likely be stopped cold. Mixed sets will need a fair amount of EVs in Attack to beat Blissey, which will detract from their special attacking prowess. And Heatran works if Fire/Dragon is denied Earthquake. Rain offers some defense also.

They could also 'fix' Water Sport and Mud Sport, make the effect stay after switching out. You'd probably see Water Sport everywhere to stop this Dragon/Fire, not to mention Scizor might appreciate being able to take weaker Fire hits. (Scizor in Water Sport and Rain has no weaknesses, a frightening prospect. Pity Kyogre doesn't learn the move, otherwise Kyogre and Scizor in VGC...
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Hmm... you make a good point about rain, which would mean it may not do too well in ubers... perhaps a slightly less broken spread like 100/105/75/125/75/120... Man, it's hard to come up with a 600 BST spread with high speed that isn't totally broken. These stats would make it very similar to Shaymin-S, with better typing but no had abuse. Any chance of that staying in standard? It is SR weak...
 
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