Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

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Most dragons have a 4x Ice weakness .... why is Grass/Dragon so horrible becouse of it?
If it gets Leech Seed and Substitute, decents stats and a good movepool then im looking at my new favorite starter.
 
When did I say it would be horrible? I think it would be really good. A 2x Ground resistance and 4x resistances to Electric and Water? Yes please. Plus, it would be the first dragon with a surefire way to get around bulky waters like Swampert and Vaporeon. It would probably even be used in Ubers as a Kyogre counter. I'll stop now before I descend into total theorymon, but I do want to see more Dragon type combos. Grass/Dragon, Fire/Dragon, Electric/Dragon...all of those sound pretty nice!
 
there is a reason, normal is suppose to be normal, nothing different. the fact those 2 gimmick pokemons exist is because gamefreak like to joke around with us.
 
Well I thought like the Giraf part was normal and the arig part made it Psychic. I dunno about Bibarel, though, it's essentially just Raticate with added STAB so whatever.

My list of things now includes: A bulky Bug/Water starter (doesn't have to be starter, in fact maybe it's better not being a starter so it gets something better than Torrent), and a Spinda evo that's awesome and lets me call him baby.

Also how about at some point is the daycare man/lady challenges you to a battle with all the imperfect eggs (with egg moves) you gave him perfectly trained and pissed off that you abandoned them.
 
Yeah, think of all the baby pokes that were abandoned and died from starvation in a cold and misserable cage becouse it didnt have good EV's.
 
an pokemon with bad ivs dont deserve to exist in the first place, if its not perfect then what is the point of keeping? cynthia know that, all her pokes got 31 ivs in all stats.
 
Quagsire said:
Spiders need to stop being part bug and start being part dark. Bug refers to a certain set of species, makes me think of insects, not arachnids. You don't call spiders bugs. They're their own seperate class.
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Bug =/= Insect. Bug is pretty much exactly what most of Pokemon's target audience would think it is. It's another word for arthropod, an invertebrate with an exoskeleton or segmented shell. It covers Spiders, but it should also cover Krabby, Crawdaunt, Omastar, and Kabutops, to name a few off the top of my head.
 
i agree with the general concenses that the one one the far right is the water starter, and is either a platypus(yes!!!) or an Otter(nice)
the one on the far left, hopefully will be grass, and be able to fly in its final form, however its tail reminds me of flygon (gen 3 remake hint anyone?)
i also believe that the central mon is fire, and is based off a pig, but would that not be too similar to our other two pig pokemon, spoink and grumpig?
 
Bug is a deadweight type right now, lots of weaknesses, poor stats and moovepools.... it along with Grass and Poison need a buff.

Also Luxray and Flareon better get Volt Tackle and Flare Blitz this generation, GameFreak has screwed them over for to long.
 
flareon is a piece of shit, with flare blitz or not, also dont be stupid, the bug type is one of the best out there and dont need any kind of buff, poor stats? scyther and scizor, heracross, yanmega just to name some! poor movepools? i dont see people complaning about that with scizor and heracross who get all the moves they need, bug get SE on psychic but most important, dark who is one of the most used types out there because of STAB pursuit. bug resist fighting and grass moves, 2 types used a lot(Grass is used a lot, believe or not, all thanks to bulky waters and most important, swampert), bug is not perfect but by no means is a bad type.
 
I really hope they will have at least 1 Physical Rock-type attack that has both at least 100% accuracy and at least 60 Base Power. Too bad there's no 100% (or never-miss) physical Rock attack now (ignoring Natural Gift and abilities like No Guard).

I'm also hoping for a specially-oriented (with at least 100 Base Sp.Atk.) Pokemon with abilities currently belonging to Physical Pokemon like No Guard and Technician.
If they have No Guard, they should learn some of those terribly inaccurate special moves like Focus Blast and Fire Blast.
And if they have Technician, they should learn those 60 Base Power moves like Water Pulse, or even the situational but commonly-used Hidden Power.

I also hope the few following moves have TMs or move tutors of it:
Nasty Plot, Aura Sphere (Focus Blast sucks, unless there's a No Guard Pokemon with high Sp.Atk., like I mentioned), Bug Bite (HGSS has a move tutor of this, but it's better as a TM IMO), Night Slash/Crunch, Selfdestruct (some Pokes can't learn Explosion but can learn this, like Snorlax), Counter (Emerald has a move tutor of this, but there's none in 4th Gen.), Mirror Coat, Encore, etc...

I'm also thinking about a choice item that raises either or both Defense or Sp.Def.

And new type combos of course (like Water/Ghost, Fire/Psychic, Fire/Dragon, Ghost/Steel, etc...)

And new abilities obviously (I wonder if there's a special version of Intimidate... ?)

Or a fire-type priority move, to destroy Scizor, for those who hated it really really badly.
 
Bug Maniac Marc said:
Bug is fine, as the above poster, but they really need to stop making beautiflys and kriketunes.
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agreed, pokemons like beautifly are the reason people say the bug type sucks so much, the reason they exist is so that the player got the chance of having a decent pokemon early game, gamefreak know very well they sucks.
 
Emily said:
I'm also thinking about a choice item that raises either or both Defense or Sp.Def.
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I don't really see the use of that. There are very VERY few walls that only rely on one attack. Pokemon like Skarmory, Blissey and say, defensive Zapdos would be pretty useless without recovery, and would not be very good with only one move. And no offensive Pokemon would use it either, because if you are going to be locked into one move, who would choose increased Def. or Sp. Def. over increased Atk. Sp. Atk. or Speed? Not me.

jokey665 said:
I have an idea to solve two problems at once. Make a physical fire priority move, but ONLY give it to Flareon!
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Love it.
 
McLuvdisc said:
When did I say it would be horrible? I think it would be really good. A 2x Ground resistance and 4x resistances to Electric and Water? Yes please. Plus, it would be the first dragon with a surefire way to get around bulky waters like Swampert and Vaporeon. It would probably even be used in Ubers as a Kyogre counter. I'll stop now before I descend into total theorymon, but I do want to see more Dragon type combos. Grass/Dragon, Fire/Dragon, Electric/Dragon...all of those sound pretty nice!
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Kyogre counter? Remember that most Kyogre run Ice Beam...
 
Stuff i'd like to see:

A physical flying and rock attack that doesn't suck and is widely learned (mostly for Aerodactyl, but Stone Edge just blows altogether)

A tangrowth evolution, a ghost eevee, and fixes to some useless but cool pokes like rapidash, flareon, etc (tangrowth's design is the epitome of wasted potential...swamp thing is cool, but Smurfette's vagina blows)

A fighting-type pursuit to solve the blissey problem once and for all (Blissey is boring to play, unfun to play against and generally blows)

A complete overhaul of the HM system (being forced to carry multiple HM slaves has always blown)

Perhaps a few changes to the type chart (poison blows, and some weaknesses and resistances don't make any sense)

Faster battles (a seperate animation for leftovers, weather, wish, etc blows, just do it all at once)

Updated calls (geodude and company sound like digital puke compared to the new generation...but having them say their names is corny and childish and therefore blows)

Battles without friend codes (blows)

Of course, only the first option is going to happen, which blows.
 
Lucalibur said:
flareon is a piece of shit, with flare blitz or not, also dont be stupid, the bug type is one of the best out there and dont need any kind of buff, poor stats? scyther and scizor, heracross, yanmega just to name some! poor movepools? i dont see people complaning about that with scizor and heracross who get all the moves they need, bug get SE on psychic but most important, dark who is one of the most used types out there because of STAB pursuit. bug resist fighting and grass moves, 2 types used a lot(Grass is used a lot, believe or not, all thanks to bulky waters and most important, swampert), bug is not perfect but by no means is a bad type.
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1)Actualy you named the ONLY usable bug pokemons, 5 pokemons dont make it a useful atacking type. Scizor is also OU becouse he is a revenge whore Bullet Puncher....which is not a bug type move.

2) Its SE only against Dark, Psychic and Grass and is crippled by Stealth Rock.

3) 5 usable pokemons compared to the crapload of Water, Steel and Dragon pokemons that lurk around in today's metagame doesnt sound like good deal to me.
Scizor may be OU but the Bug type is down there in the crapper along with Poison as two of the weakest types in the game.
 
Cuiv said:
Kyogre counter? Remember that most Kyogre run Ice Beam...
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Make it like Sceptile... that is to say, really fast.
Even though I would resent the 4x Ice weakness, Grass/Dragon is the ONLY Dragon combo that is 4x weak to Ice that hasn't been made. Also, if their is a Grass/Dragon I imagine a more ferocious and less fruit version of Tropius and I think it shouldn't be the starter.

Is it me, or do the silhouettes of the new starter pokemon look like the Gen IV starters?

I want funny type combos like Ghost/many things. Ghost/Steel sounds good and a Ghost/Water could be based off an angler fish. *Looks at Unshaven Angler from Yu-Gi-Oh*. I don't like Lanturn.

I want better Bug and Grass types. They are decent, but you've got Breloom, who relies on Spore most of the time, and Roserade as the only OU and not legendary Grass type.

Poison could use a little improvement. It is decent now, having only 2 weaknesses and one not being common. Poison attacking has a lot of neutrality as well. I say their needs to be a Poison move that specifically does SE damage against Steel(Corrosive Acid?) or a complete rework that every poison move does SE against Steel. That is what I think makes sense.

Also, a lot of what Emily said, but not everything, sounds good too.

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BloodGod22 said:
1)Actualy you named the ONLY usable bug pokemons, 5 pokemons dont make it a useful atacking type. Scizor is also OU becouse he is a revenge whore Bullet Puncher....which is not a bug type move.

2) Its SE only against Dark, Psychic and Grass and is crippled by Stealth Rock.

3) 5 usable pokemons compared to the crapload of Water, Steel and Dragon pokemons that lurk around in today's metagame doesnt sound like good deal to me.
Scizor may be OU but the Bug type is down there in the crapper along with Poison as two of the weakest types in the game.
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Scizor is not OU because of Bullet Punch-that only adds to its utility. U-turn, which is a bug attack, is the main attribution to why Scizor is OU. U-turn is one of the best moves in the game, it's just a lot of bug types can't use it effectively because of Stealth Rock (losing 25%-50% per switch in doesn't warrant it). All of the OU bugs (except Ninjask) have secondary typings that neutralize Stealth Rock, however the bug type still has a large impact on the metagame.

Besides, who said pokemon types were "all created equal?" Dragons will always be the overpowered, majestic creatures they are, while bugs will always be the things getting squashed. Sure people that like certain types will want them to be better, however there is no reason to balance the types.
 
BloodGod22 said:
1)Actualy you named the ONLY usable bug pokemons, 5 pokemons dont make it a useful atacking type. Scizor is also OU becouse he is a revenge whore Bullet Puncher....which is not a bug type move.

2) Its SE only against Dark, Psychic and Grass and is crippled by Stealth Rock.

3) 5 usable pokemons compared to the crapload of Water, Steel and Dragon pokemons that lurk around in today's metagame doesnt sound like good deal to me.
Scizor may be OU but the Bug type is down there in the crapper along with Poison as two of the weakest types in the game.
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pokemons like buterfree are made only to help new players early game, if we ignore those useless ones you can see that most bug types are good, bug hit 3 important types for SE and most bugs have a way or another to kill steel types(superpower, CC, hp ground, etc), saying bug sucks because its weak to SR is like saying anything weak to rock sucks, the fire weakness is a let down but the bug type is nowhere near bad has you say, it get some useful moves like u-turn and bug bite(for LC bug bite is a awesome move) and even some reliable ones like X-scissor and bug buzz.

also, we got salamence, dragonite, altaria(UU) and latias for non-uber usable dragons, less then 5, for waters we got slowbro, milotic, swampert, quagmire and others(everyone know they are a bunch of water types), for steels we got magnezone, registeel, skarmory, foretress, scizor and metagross who are all here for the important dragon moves and/or specific stuff like scizor traping and spikes. the thing is that while they are not a bunch of usable bug types, they numbers are not so small compared to other types, they get SE on types used a lot(psychic-latias, dark-t-tar and grass-celebi for example) and resist useful types too(fighting and ground for example).

bug types are not fucking amazing like dragon by any means, but they dont sucks like you say they do. its just like dragon being weak to the so-common ice, steel being weak to the so-common ground and water-eletric, each of these types is weak to something common but pay off by doing something useful.

on a side note, the fact you said scizor main move is bullet punch made me mad, his main move is always u-turn since he is a scout that can also revenge kill AND trap(pursuit), the fact he got bullet punch just make him better, but his main move on a CB set is always u-turn.
 
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