NP: UU - Bye Bye Bye

[shrang]

I remember Smurf running SubCM Uxie last round to replace Cress. I remember him using Signal Beam in the last spot (Registeel still walls you, but Registeel walls everything).

Anyway, on a more serious note, when will last rounds voters get their UU Suspect Voter badges (Me included)??

 

[Thund91]

I'd rather run CM Mesprit over CM Uxie.

But then again I'd run CB Mesprit over both of those any day, it's a really underrated threat.

 

[GMLW]

I have come back from not posting now that I have turned my CRE that somehow got to 97 back into the thousands.


I would like to say that Steelix is godly. I think it is actually better than Registeel. Apparently, it is only 3HKO'd by a Floatzel's Waterfall and 2HKOs back with Earthquake.

I would also like to say that I believe Scarf Moltres is better than LO Moltres. The speed has let me down so many times, and LO only gives you 1.3 times as much power, while still a lot, is not worth giving up the speed.

And Specs Venusaur is deadly. This thing rips holes through your opponent's team. It's like the special equivalent of CB Rhyperior. I realize that it isn't the most powerful special attacker in the tier, but the other ones are either frail, have bad typing, or have bad speed, the one exception being Milotic. It all depends on if your team needs a Grass-type or a Water-type.

 

[PK Gaming]

Rolf Kip, that looks like a kickass set (trying it asap)

Registeel 100 Att Earthquake: 19.5% - 23.1% (never breaks substitutes)

but Registeel DOES break your subs with Seismic toss. Still those calcs look impressive and it could potentially be the NEW Feraligatr set.

Was hoping no one would post about subcm uxie >_>
Ya, i've been running SubCM Uxie and I have got to say its extremely pleasing. The amount of rage quits and sweeps I get early game are amazing. I run max speed and spA. The only thing i'm torn on is the final move slot, HP Fight of Tbolt. Registeel can be cumbersome without hp fight, but the same can be said for any psychic type without tbolt.

I haven't use it in a while but it was pretty deadly. Here are some alternative EV spreads:
148 Hp / 136 Spe / 226 SpA

The speed allows you to outspeed +natured Base 80's.

I would also like to say that I believe Scarf Moltres is better than LO Moltres. The speed has let me down so many times, and LO only gives you 1.3 times as much power, while still a lot, is not worth giving up the speed.

I don't know... The speed is nice but it's forced out easily by bulky waters. It's counters jump from like 4 or 5 to like 10 due to Choice Scarf. Locking yourself into say... Airslash gives someone like Aggron a free turn of setup. It's just to weak.

 

[shrang]

Actually, if anyone is disappointed with LO Moltres' speed, run an Agility set!! As long as you can keep SR off the field, offensive teams will have a lot of trouble against that thing. Since you're running Agility, you can afford to run Modest as well. Suddenly, stuff like Rotom and Alakazam will no longer revenge kill Moltres, and will all die to an LO Fire Blast.

 

[GMLW]

But if Moltres gets forced out, it doesn't have the speed boost anymore. Not to mention that instead of wasting a moveslot on Agility, you can run Flamethrower for late-game cleaning.

 

[Stagnant]

I run a 24Hp 4Def 228Spe 252 SpA Uxie. I've found through several the several stages that outrunning Rotom and Moltres is a must, knowing that you are slower than Houndoom, Arcanine, and the like means you have no reliance on speed tying, and finally the 252 SpA helps nab quicker KO's on Milo and such.

 

[Shy Glizzy]

I don't know about you guys but this metagame simply kicks ass. No more Raikou! No more Froslass! I can really appreciate the variety here. I can't believe that viability of so many pokemon shot up with the banning of 2 measly pokemons.

I don't their viability has changed as much as people have been doing things other than arguing about the new suspect of the month.

This is indeed one of the most enjoyable UU periods I have taken part in.

 

[yond]

I'd rather run CM Mesprit over CM Uxie.

But then again I'd run CB Mesprit over both of those any day, it's a really underrated threat.

The advantage that Uxie boasts over Mesprit is a considerable amount of bulk and he also has a 15 base higher speed.

 

[Thund91]

The advantage that Uxie boasts over Mesprit is a considerable amount of bulk and he also has a 15 base higher speed.

Yeah I get that, but I find Mesprit does the job better. You want your CM Pokemon to be able to hurt things, Uxie can't even 2HKO Spiritomb with Thunderbolt after a boost. It's too weak.

If you want a Calm Mind sweeper the best one out there is Alakazam, who has the highest Speed and doesn't really care about bulk when he's OHKOing everything.

 

[PK Gaming]

So yeah I'm not seeing much Swellows. It's still a beast people!
Anyone keen on using it as a standalone sweeper?

It's speed is it's greatest asset. I know people say it requires a lot of support but simple combo of Swellow + Steel/Rock Lure works wonders (I use subpunch Aggron) and gives offense a lot of headaches.

 

[Ekanselttar]

Swellow has potential when used alongside SubRise Magneton or Dugtrio - U-turn on the switch to their Steel and laugh as you trap and kill their counter. Main issue with this, of course, is that Magneton does like a 5HKO on Registeel with Tbolt.

 

[Stagnant]

Mespirt's speed is it's biggest let down. Also, Alakazam has to rely on Signal Beam/ Focus Blast for coverage... which just sucks. Also, he is not exactly 'scrappy', as Uxie is. Zam generally has to have pristine conditions in order properly function. Uxie can opt to Calm Mind in Feraligator's face while it DD/ SD... Alakazam does not have that luxary. Mind you, that is just an example and there is no need to dive into damage calcs.

 

[Random Pizzaman]

I use it a standalone sweeper to great sucess, with only SR support really. Its speed and power are invaluable for an offensive team, pounding holes early game and sweeping late game.
Another pokemon thats my MVP right now it Scarf Rotom. Outrunning most other scarfers and slow RPers is awesome, and it's surprisingly powerful.

 

[Heysup]

I was fooling around on the ladder all day with a hilarious Omastar lead and 5 sweepers. Of course my teams sucked because they were 5 sweepers with no synergy and based mainly on prediction but it was fun. So many people are weak to RP Torterra....

The main thing that has been constantly sticking out is that Milotic is stupidly hard to kill.

 

[PK Gaming]

Swellow has potential when used alongside SubRise Magneton or Dugtrio - U-turn on the switch to their Steel and laugh as you trap and kill their counter. Main issue with this, of course, is that Magneton does like a 5HKO on Registeel with Tbolt.

That's the thing though Registeel actually beats you because Seismic toss rips through you. And Dugtrio? I don't like using Dugtrio >_>

I use it a standalone sweeper to great sucess, with only SR support really. Its speed and power are invaluable for an offensive team, pounding holes early game and sweeping late game.
Another pokemon thats my MVP right now it Scarf Rotom. Outrunning most other scarfers and slow RPers is awesome, and it's surprisingly powerful.

Agreed. It's stab priority is also highly useful too. The few Swellow I DO see run Protect. This is a bad idea. You can always activate burn by picking off weak foes or switching into an EQ.

 

[Thund91]

Mespirt's speed is it's biggest let down. Also, Alakazam has to rely on Signal Beam/ Focus Blast for coverage... which just sucks. Also, he is not exactly 'scrappy', as Uxie is. Zam generally has to have pristine conditions in order properly function. Uxie can opt to Calm Mind in Feraligator's face while it DD/ SD... Alakazam does not have that luxary. Mind you, that is just an example and there is no need to dive into damage calcs.

That luxury doesn't even compare to what Alakazam has, Encore. I suggest you try out CM + Encore Zam because it can set up on pretty much anything in UU.

Not to mention Zam can just KO Feraligatr with +1 Psychic before it sets up a DD anyway. Either way, setting up Uxie or Zam on Feraligatr isn't the smartest thing to do....especially when Waterfall flinches like every single time.

 

[Ekanselttar]

From what I've seen, almost everyone has given up Protect in favor of Quick Attack on Swellow to prevent Sucker Punchers. In fact, I don't even try to Sucker Punch anymore, that's how prevalent it is. I'm also trying to find some way to make the steeltrapping strategy awesome, but Dugtrio is stupidly weak outside of revenge killing, and Magneton/Probopass are pretty lackluster when it comes to actually killing stuff. Too bad neither of them get Trick.

 

[PK Gaming]

Narulyg, you can always use a Steel Lure. Sub Aggron is pretty decent overall and help lure out Swellow's counters. They also have pretty *decent* synergy with each other.

 

[MegaKick]

swellow does not need duggy-it does about 20% to registeel or rhyperior with facade. So assuming you have 2 layers of spikes and orb activated:
Registeel/Rhyperior come in to facade, take 40% from spikes + facade
U-turn leaving them at about 40%
Go to moltres to force them out
Next time they come in they are destroyed by spikes + facade

Of course that assumes maximum damage every time, but you get the idea. If you have rocks up to cancel lefties, it's almost garunteed.

 

[Bad Ass]

hi my name is uberiffic and i ALWAYS have 2 layers of spikes and stealth rocks, and stealth rocks are never up on my side because if i'm u turning out then i have like 40% to sweep them with, plus i have moltres so there are OBVIOUSLY no rocks up on my side. but i can assume that they are up on your side.

are you retarded or something? you can't honestly assume that you will have a fuckload of hazards up. if you can do all that, then you're playing poor opponents.

 

[SJCrew]

So assuming

No, you guys really need to stop doing that. Swellow isn't going to waste its time trying to beat something it obviously can't since SR and its Orb of choice severely limit both its health and switch-in opportunities, so every time it's in, it needs to make it count (IE revenge sweepers). Two layers of spikes won't be up and even then, Swellow won't do shit to Registeel and Rhyperior. Also, don't forget about LOL LEFTOVERS.

Go to moltres to force them out

You mean get hit by Stone Edge/Twave?

 

[Midnight.]

The main thing that has been constantly sticking out is that Milotic is stupidly hard to kill.

I can't believe how many times I have disposed of Milotic with Sunny Day Moltres. I'm starting to wonder if Moltres even has Pressure at all; Moltres' ability is totally Milotic Pull.

 

[Heysup]

hi my name is uberiffic and i ALWAYS have 2 layers of spikes and stealth rocks, and stealth rocks are never up on my side because if i'm u turning out then i have like 40% to sweep them with, plus i have moltres so there are OBVIOUSLY no rocks up on my side. but i can assume that they are up on your side.

are you retarded or something? you can't honestly assume that you will have a fuckload of hazards up. if you can do all that, then you're playing poor opponents.

It's really easy to get entry hazards up this round, Frosla- oh wait.

Also Swellow is good in this metagame but not "that" good. It was better last round when Spikes were easy.

 

[FlareBlitz]

Milotic is annoyingly difficult to kill though. It can survive fucking Wood Hammers from Torterra and shit and, unlike Tangrowth (a Tangrowth lived through my CB Arcanine's FlareBlitz today, I still can't get over that...) it has excellent mixed defenses and reliable instant recovery with a great defensive typing and ability. I mentioned sometime back that defensive suspects don't get much attention (unless they're ridiculous, like Cressy) because the offensive ones overshadow them, so it's possible that in a metagame without any obvious offensive suspects more attention will be paid to Registeel/Milotic. Not that I'm suggesting either one is broken or worthy of being banned, mind.