My very first RMT be kind

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Donphan (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/198 Atk/60 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Rapid Spin
- Ice Shard

Donphan is here to set up the stealth rocks and then to be my defensive wall and get rid of the enemy's rocks. There aren't very many common leads that can one hit k.o. it. Ice shard lets it take out dragons that are 4x weak to it. Lead pert doesn't 2HKO with ice beam. It can take a trick from a lead and then I just switch it out.

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Torkoal (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: White Smoke
EVs: 252 HP/100 Def/158 SDef
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Amnesia
- Body Slam
- Earthquake
- Lava Plume

Torkoal is just about the best Scizor counter I have found. I like the body slam/lava plume combo because it allows for double status. I'm open to changing amnesia out for Protect/Toxic/Wow. If I were to do that I would change the EVs to almost all def.

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Salamence (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw

Mence is my sweeper. The traditional "Get rid of the few counters the other team has then sweep." I picked dragon claw over outrage for the switchability. Dragon/Ground/Fire equals un-resisted(If I'm not mistaken.) With a DD up it can rip through any team that either isn't prepared or has lost it's counters.

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Umbreon (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP/158 Def/100 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Wish
- Payback
- Charm
- Protect

In testing I found that the more common switch ins on this are Scizor, Infernape, and other things that don't like to take a charm to the face. Umbreon is the all important wish support. Without this no one would survive.

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Mantine (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Agility
- Ice Beam
- Hydro Pump
- Hidden Power [Grass]

Mantine is the perfect switch in on anything that threatens Torkoal. Mantine takes care of swampert pretty much perfectly. It has the potential to sweep late game. With Ice beam Hydro pump and HP grass there isn't really anything that resists it other than Empoleon. Which isn't a problem with lanturn for the special ones and donphan for the physical ones.

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Lanturn (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 40 HP/76 Def/140 SAtk/252 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic
- Surf

Lanturn covers Mantine so well. And I wish I could have put heal bell on it, but apparently it isn't an option(Maybe I'm just missing it.) The toxic that this spreads is all important. Umbreon can then out-stall almost anything out there.
 
Hmm...Since you've thrown a Salamence and Umbreon in there, this makes it an OU team. Given this, Torkoal and Mantine are basically redundant. Bothof them'll get knocked out as soon as they switch in. Heatran makes a good Scizor counter, as does Rotom-H and if you're after a water-type sweeper to replace Mantine, Suicune and Kingdra both do it well. Also, Lanturn's better supporting than sweeping. The parafusion set is a classic use of Lanturn that really annoys your opponent no end. I would say that this would be a better use of it. You can put Heal Bell on that set, if you like, then you'll have Wish AND Heal Bell =]
 
iodine_x said:
Hmm...Since you've thrown a Salamence and Umbreon in there, this makes it an OU team. Given this, Torkoal and Mantine are basically redundant. Bothof them'll get knocked out as soon as they switch in. Heatran makes a good Scizor counter, as does Rotom-H and if you're after a water-type sweeper to replace Mantine, Suicune and Kingdra both do it well. Also, Lanturn's better supporting than sweeping. The parafusion set is a classic use of Lanturn that really annoys your opponent no end. I would say that this would be a better use of it. You can put Heal Bell on that set, if you like, then you'll have Wish AND Heal Bell =]
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While I thank you for your advice, I have been using this team for about a week now with great success. Neither Torkoal or Mantine have been "Knocked out as soon as they switch in." As I said Mantine counters Pert almost perffectly. and torkoal is a great phys wall. Torkoal takes Scizor's superpower better than any heatran can. As for the Lanturn set, I don't see how you could call it a "Sweeping set" it is there to set up toxic on things and then to take electric hits and ice and water. And as for the Heal Bell thing, when I was building the team on shoddy, I didn't see the option of heal bell.
 
Torkoal can be easily replace by Skarmory. Also get rid of mantine, you already have Umbreon. I must say, you have great synergy, but the moves don't work. Taking Mantine means SD Scizor runs you down, and taking away Umbreon means DDmence can rip through this team. Both of them is pretty redundant.

Maybe change Lanturn to a parafusers? That cripples many sweepers which can break through this team. It also patches up other holes like blissey.

Great team!
 
I would suggest switching mantine for vappy because of vappy's higher hp and spA and also has wish if neccesary to heal teamates, but mantine does have a certain surprise factor to it and also has higher SpD so you dont have to change him.
 
If your looking for a Scizor counter, try Magnezone. Use the standard Steel Killer set. doesn't Dragon Pulse have more power than Dragon Claw? If it does, than use Dragon Pulse over Dragon Claw and dump EVs into SpA for more damage. Your Lanturn is almost exactly like Starmie only Toxic instead of Recover. I don't know if your going for the ability to soak up electric attacks or just because it's a suprise card. But if your looking for power, use Starmie because it's a whole lot faster and stronger.

Good luck on your team and I hope I helped any.
-that one kid
 
KidX said:
I would suggest switching mantine for vappy because of vappy's higher hp and spA and also has wish if neccesary to heal teamates, but mantine does have a certain surprise factor to it and also has higher SpD so you dont have to change him.
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The thing is, I already have Umbreon for the wish support and my mantine isn't being a special wall now. I like I said it is countering Swampert something that vappy doesn't quite do. Thank you for the comments.

that one kid said:
If your looking for a Scizor counter, try Magnezone. Use the standard Steel Killer set. doesn't Dragon Pulse have more power than Dragon Claw? If it does, than use Dragon Pulse over Dragon Claw and dump EVs into SpA for more damage. Your Lanturn is almost exactly like Starmie only Toxic instead of Recover. I don't know if your going for the ability to soak up electric attacks or just because it's a suprise card. But if your looking for power, use Starmie because it's a whole lot faster and stronger.

Good luck on your team and I hope I helped any.
-that one kid
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The reason that I have dragon claw over dragon pulse is because it is a DDance set. And lanturn is for electric absorbtion and toxic spreading and was supposed to have heal bell, but I couldn't find how to put it on.
 
Ok seeing as how none of these rates are helping you at all, especially the one with Dragon Pulse over Dragon Claw (-.-) Im here to help.

First, You can take Donphan out and replace him with the Lead Skarmory.

move 1: Taunt
move 2: Roost
move 3: Spikes
move 4: Whirlwind / Brave Bird
item: Shed Shell / Leftovers
nature: Careful / Impish
evs: 252 HP / 152 SpD / 104 Spe

This will help you get spikes up and taunt slower leads, along with providing you with a Physical Wall (this set can also take neutral SpA aimed at Skarmory)


With Skarmory replacing Donphan, you no longer need Toarkol, so replace Torkoal with this Magnezone set



Choice Scarf Magnet Pull Naive MovesetEVs~ Thunderbolt
~ Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
~ Flash Cannon
~ Explosion
4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

this will act as your revenge killer and will easily handle Scizor, along with other Steels.


Now replace Lanturn with CroCune. CroCune is a great bulky Water and if used correctly can sweep entire teams.

Crocune

Leftovers Bold MovesetEVs~ Surf
~ Calm Mind
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe

Now, you can replace Mantine with Defensive Celebi, which has great synergy with Suicune. This will form your defensive core. (Along with Skarmory)

Defensive

Leftovers Bold MovesetEVs~ Leech Seed / Thunder Wave / Reflect
~ Grass Knot
~ Recover
~ Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice / Earth Power
252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe

Now All that is needed to be done is to change Salamence's nature to Naive and change its EVs to 16 Atk / 240 SpA / 252 Spe

This MixMence has great sweeping potential and has great synergy with Magnezone (forming the famous Salazone combo)

Also Make Salamence's Moveset to

Outrage/Draco Meteor/Flamethrower/Earthquake



After this the team looks solid working out all its quirks

Also replace Umbreon's Charm with Curse since Scizor is no longer a problem


Hope this rate helped
 
DRADE said:
Ok seeing as how none of these rates are helping you at all, especially the one with Dragon Pulse over Dragon Claw (-.-) Im here to help.

First, You can take Donphan out and replace him with the Lead Skarmory.

move 1: Taunt
move 2: Roost
move 3: Spikes
move 4: Whirlwind / Brave Bird
item: Shed Shell / Leftovers
nature: Careful / Impish
evs: 252 HP / 152 SpD / 104 Spe

This will help you get spikes up and taunt slower leads, along with providing you with a Physical Wall (this set can also take neutral SpA aimed at Skarmory)


With Skarmory replacing Donphan, you no longer need Toarkol, so replace Torkoal with this Magnezone set



Choice Scarf Magnet Pull Naive MovesetEVs~ Thunderbolt
~ Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
~ Flash Cannon
~ Explosion
4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

this will act as your revenge killer and will easily handle Scizor, along with other Steels.


Now replace Lanturn with CroCune. CroCune is a great bulky Water and if used correctly can sweep entire teams.

Crocune

Leftovers Bold MovesetEVs~ Surf
~ Calm Mind
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe

Now, you can replace Mantine with Defensive Celebi, which has great synergy with Suicune. This will form your defensive core. (Along with Skarmory)

Defensive

Leftovers Bold MovesetEVs~ Leech Seed / Thunder Wave / Reflect
~ Grass Knot
~ Recover
~ Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice / Earth Power
252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe

Now All that is needed to be done is to change Salamence's nature to Naive and change its EVs to 16 Atk / 240 SpA / 252 Spe

This MixMence has great sweeping potential and has great synergy with Magnezone (forming the famous Salazone combo)

Also Make Salamence's Moveset to

Outrage/Draco Meteor/Flamethrower/Earthquake



After this the team looks solid working out all its quirks

Also replace Umbreon's Charm with Curse since Scizor is no longer a problem


Hope this rate helped
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Are you kidding me?? You just changed like 90% of my team.... I really do appreciate you taking the time to read my thread, but I am not looking to change the whole team if there isn't a reason for it other than Skarm is better than Donphan, then I would like to stick to the team at hand. If you think my team won't work then say that. You give good reasons to change everything after Skarm, but you don't really give me a reason to switch out Donphan for Skarm other than to get up spikes.. Which I don't see as being important. SR is enough for me. I would like to encourage you to try this team out.

On a side not, I have found that an immunity curse lax can be dangerous if Umbreon is down.
 
I changed less than half of your team to better suit it to OU, however i only strongly emphasise the Suicune/Celebi onto your team since it can help you out alot (as said in my previous post. You can disregard the rest of the pokemon
 
DRADE said:
Ok seeing as how none of these rates are helping you at all, especially the one with Dragon Pulse over Dragon Claw (-.-) Im here to help.
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I don't care if the DP over DC was my comment, but way to hate... this is a friendly environment not a "I'm smarter and all your comments are crap" if you have a problem with something someone said and it's already been dealt with, then leave it alone and don't be so hostile. There are certain threads where what you said is accepted, and that's where someone is completely illiterate and has no idea what they're saying and their thread gets locked in an hour. This is an actual thread and people are trying to help. He doesn't have to take our advice if he doesn't want to, it's his choice, not yours. Don't decide for him because it's his team.
 
First of all, I LOVE your team. It is completely unpredictable. Has crazy suprise factor and has great synergy. Its a shame how some people are trying to rip your team apart. Love how two of your main attackers are NU and only two pokes are OU. This is even cooler because you said you are having success with the team. One small suggestion would be that for torkoal take out amnesia and body slam and put rest and sleep talk. I know you have wish support but I think torkoal is just about your star of the team and cannot die. Again I love the team. I would love to battle you to see how well I fare against it. PM me at some time so we can set a battle up.
 
I agree with DRADE, this team is going to get torn apart in OU. There is a reason those pokemon are UU: there are pokemon with better stats that can do the exact same thing.
 
eleonhardt said:
I agree with DRADE, this team is going to get torn apart in OU. There is a reason those pokemon are UU: there are pokemon with better stats that can do the exact same thing.
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I understand your point, however, a lot of the time the reason for something being UU or NU is because of usage rather than Stats. Donphan has been OU just like Umbreon has been UU. The fact that they have switched more than once goes to prove that it isn't about power but about usage. As for getting torn apart in OU, I have been using this team for about a week now to great success in OU.

fausty616 said:
First of all, I LOVE your team. It is completely unpredictable. Has crazy suprise factor and has great synergy. Its a shame how some people are trying to rip your team apart. Love how two of your main attackers are NU and only two pokes are OU. This is even cooler because you said you are having success with the team. One small suggestion would be that for torkoal take out amnesia and body slam and put rest and sleep talk. I know you have wish support but I think torkoal is just about your star of the team and cannot die. Again I love the team. I would love to battle you to see how well I fare against it. PM me at some time so we can set a battle up.
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Thank you for your kind words, however I think I am going to go with WoW or Toxic over Amnesia. The point of this Torkoal is to spread around the 30% chance of burn and paralysis from lava plume and body slam. And I would love to battle you sometime.
 
Happy_Numbers said:
I understand your point, however, a lot of the time the reason for something being UU or NU is because of usage rather than Stats. Donphan has been OU just like Umbreon has been UU. The fact that they have switched more than once goes to prove that it isn't about power but about usage. As for getting torn apart in OU, I have been using this team for about a week now to great success in OU.



Thank you for your kind words, however I think I am going to go with WoW or Toxic over Amnesia. The point of this Torkoal is to spread around the 30% chance of burn and paralysis from lava plume and body slam. And I would love to battle you sometime.
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But then there are some pokemon, such as Torkoal Mantine, and Lanturn who are UU and NU because they are simply outclassed by other pokemon in OU. Im not saying you have to change you team to my suggestions because it is YOUR team, but using my suggestions would greatly benefit your team's success
 
DRADE said:
Im not saying you have to change you team to my suggestions because it is YOUR team
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Didn't I say that? way to be original. I'm sorry for hating but you started off so hostile towards people who are trying to help and then try to come back and act like nothing happened? The general impression is that your a jerk and not that your the best person ever and help everyone and everything you say should be followed.

Enough said.
 
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