The First Smogon Council - Salamence

[Yoz]

I think the more logs we have, the more accurate picture we can get whether Mence is Uber or not. However, that was clearly a sweep from Mence from both teams.

Thanks butterfingers, I'm going to go make a Mence team now to produce some logs and see how easy it is to slap on a few pokes along with Mence and sweep the ladder.

 

[Sir Azelf]

Here's a log I have. Match is from when I was around 1450 on the ladder, and my Salamence set is:

Salamence@Life Orb
Naive
4 Atk/252 SpA/252 Spe

Dragon Dance
Draco Meteor
Outrage
Earthquake

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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause, Soul Dew Clause
gary oak 2009 sent out Orton (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
butterfingers158 sent out Jirachi (lvl 100 Jirachi).
Jirachi used U-turn.
It's not very effective...
Orton lost 7% of its health.
butterfingers158 switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Orton used Fire Blast.
It's not very effective...
Starmie lost 32% of its health.
Starmie was burned!
Starmie was hurt by its burn!
Starmie lost 12% of its health.
---
gary oak 2009 switched in Afroborike (lvl 100 Tyranitar ?).
Afroborike's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
A sandstorm brewed!
Starmie used Surf.
It's super effective!
Afroborike lost 50% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Starmie is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Starmie lost 6% of its health.
Starmie was hurt by its burn!
Starmie lost 12% of its health.
---
Afroborike used Crunch.
It's super effective!
Starmie lost 38% of its health.
butterfingers158's Starmie fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
---
butterfingers158 switched in Jirachi (lvl 100 Jirachi).
gary oak 2009 switched in Poreotix (lvl 100 Zapdos).
Poreotix is exerting its pressure!
Jirachi used Trick.
Jirachi obtained Leftovers!
Poreotix obtained Choice Scarf!
The sandstorm rages.
Poreotix is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Poreotix lost 6% of its health.
---
Poreotix used Discharge.
Jirachi lost 43% of its health.
Jirachi used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
The sandstorm rages.
Poreotix is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Poreotix lost 6% of its health.
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
---
Poreotix used Discharge.
Jirachi lost 41% of its health.
Jirachi used U-turn.
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
Poreotix lost 21% of its health.
butterfingers158 switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
The sandstorm rages.
Poreotix is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Poreotix lost 6% of its health.
---
gary oak 2009 switched in Orton (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
Pointed stones dug into Orton.
Orton lost 12% of its health.
Swampert used Roar.
gary oak 2009 switched in Poreotix (lvl 100 Zapdos).
Poreotix is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Poreotix.
Poreotix lost 25% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Poreotix is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Poreotix lost 6% of its health.
---
Swampert used Protect.
Swampert protected itself!
Poreotix used Hidden Power.
Swampert protected itself!
The sandstorm rages.
Poreotix is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Poreotix lost 6% of its health.
---
butterfingers158 switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Poreotix's attack!
Poreotix used Hidden Power.
It's not very effective...
Salamence lost 9% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Poreotix is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Poreotix lost 6% of its health.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 6% of its health.
---
gary oak 2009 switched in PEW PEW (lvl 100 Starmie).
Pointed stones dug into PEW PEW.
PEW PEW lost 12% of its health.
Salamence used Dragon Dance.
Salamence's attack was raised.
Salamence's speed was raised.
The sandstorm rages.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 6% of its health.
PEW PEW is buffetted by the sandstorm!
PEW PEW lost 6% of its health.
---
Salamence used Earthquake.
PEW PEW lost 82% of its health.
gary oak 2009's PEW PEW fainted.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 6% of its health.
---
gary oak 2009 switched in Shiny Face (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Shiny Face's Intimidate cut Salamence's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Shiny Face.
Shiny Face lost 25% of its health.
gary oak 2009 switched in Poreotix (lvl 100 Zapdos).
Poreotix is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Poreotix.
Poreotix lost 17% of its health.
gary oak 2009's Poreotix fainted.
Salamence used Draco Meteor.
But there was no target!
The sandstorm rages.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 6% of its health.
---
gary oak 2009 switched in Batista (lvl 100 Machamp ?).
Pointed stones dug into Batista.
Batista lost 6% of its health.
Salamence used Draco Meteor.
Batista lost 94% of its health.
gary oak 2009's Batista fainted.
Salamence's special attack was harshly lowered.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 6% of its health.
---
gary oak 2009 switched in Afroborike (lvl 100 Tyranitar ?).
Afroborike's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
Pointed stones dug into Afroborike.
Afroborike lost 12% of its health.
Salamence used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Afroborike lost 38% of its health.
gary oak 2009's Afroborike fainted.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 6% of its health.
---
gary oak 2009 switched in Shiny Face (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Shiny Face's Intimidate cut Salamence's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Shiny Face.
Shiny Face lost 25% of its health.
Salamence used Outrage.
Salamence went on a rampage!
It's super effective!
Shiny Face lost 50% of its health.
gary oak 2009's Shiny Face fainted.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 6% of its health.
---
gary oak 2009 switched in Orton (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
Pointed stones dug into Orton.
Orton lost 12% of its health.
Salamence used Outrage.
Orton lost 68% of its health.
gary oak 2009's Orton fainted.
butterfingers158 wins!
gary oak 2009 has left the room.
butterfingers158: gg

Thats just Mence sweeping a Mence weak team, nothing special tbh. The guy had nothing to even check it and switched stuff like Starmie into it lol. Its also a Mence without a fire move which just showed how much the opponent (no disrespect) sucks.

If you want to actually convince the anti-uber people (im unbias/really dont care hence why im staying out of this for the most part) then show mence in logs sweeping and getting past its checks and counter like Scizor, Hippow or w/e the opponent has to beat mence etc or opening up sweeps for other Pokemon to show that Mence meets the characteristics. Lastly and most importantly post logs vs GOOD players i.e ones who actually prepare for it. Preferably vs top 50 players, since you can quote Aldaron on this 'smogon doesn't care about scrub734543 on the ladder'.

 

[Efemera]

Thanks butterfingers, I'm going to go make a Mence team now to produce some logs and see how easy it is to slap on a few pokes along with Mence and sweep the ladder.

This is untrue, but it only matters how the people at the top of the ladder are using Salamence. If noobs are getting owned by Salamence, then too bad for them.

 

[Yoz]

umm how this untrue, I am currently making a team involving Mence, so I don't understand what you mean, possibly wrong quote?

 

[Ucal]

I think the more logs we have, the more accurate picture we can get whether Mence is Uber or not. However, that was clearly a sweep from Mence from both teams.

Thanks butterfingers, I'm going to go make a Mence team now to produce some logs and see how easy it is to slap on a few pokes along with Mence and sweep the ladder.

I don't think that's the best idea to be constructive. You should rather just play on the suspect ladder. The more players on that, the more statistically significant any conclusions can be drawn. Think about it. We already know salamence can sweep. But we don't know how good a metagame without him is. So help out on that front. Rather than just doing what everybody else has been doing this entire generation.

 

[SJCrew]

The reason I'm questioning the Pro-Uber side is because their reasonings are made on paper

No, that's bull. We've all been playing this game, so every single one of these posts are based on our experiences. I don't have to put "IMO" or "in my experience" in every single post just to prove that it's genuinely what I think based on what I've been playing. Not a single person who's come in this topic has posted their opinion without actually having played this game unless they've made it evident with some sort of caption like "I'm a wifi player".

If you think our arguments are flimsy and want proof, why don't you provide some yourself? Again, you're demanding more from the other side without providing any real content yourself. Raise the standard by being an example. I have a few logs if you want them, but I'm not posting anything until you can back up your words with a sound argument and your own evidence. Attempting to refute everyone's points doesn't prove you in the right unless you have a solid foundation to lean on. Otherwise, you're not debating, you're just bickering.

 

[Efemera]

umm how this untrue, I am currently making a team involving Mence, so I don't understand what you mean, possibly wrong quote?

My bad, I read your post as "I'm going to make a Mence team now to produce some logs [to demonstrate] how easy it is to slap on a few pokes along with Mence and sweep the ladder."

 

[Ian15]

The only way to convince many people is too prove that Mence is tooo good and that it hinders other Pokemon. Show Pokes that are good, but b/c of a Mence Metagame cannot reach there full potential that are not Shaymin or Toterra you need more pokemon to have a solid case

 

[Spenstar]

No, that's bull. We've all been playing this game, so every single one of these posts are based on our experiences. I don't have to put "IMO" or "in my experience" in every single post just to prove that it's genuinely what I think based on what I've been playing. Not a single person who's come in this topic has posted their opinion without actually having played this game unless they've made it evident with some sort of caption like "I'm a wifi player".

If you think our arguments are flimsy and want proof, why don't you provide some yourself? Again, you're demanding more from the other side without providing any real content yourself. Raise the standard by being an example. I have a few logs if you want them, but I'm not posting anything until you can back up your words with a sound argument and your own evidence. Attempting to refute everyone's points doesn't prove you in the right unless you have a solid foundation to lean on. Otherwise, you're not debating, you're just bickering.

I'd love to see those logs, actually.

 

[Sir Azelf]

Yeah please post them so we can hopefully get something constructive out of this thread lol. Though if they are like that log up there they arent worth it tbh.

 

[Futility]

Before I begin, I would like to point out that I do not play competitive Pokemon. However, I am a long-time fan of it and an avid lurker on the forums, so I know the details of the situation at hand. I am not here to make any arguments or state opinions, I am just going to state the facts of the matter, using cold hard calcs.

I will be using Stealth Rock as a common battle condition.

Here are the calculations of New Mixmence against every Pokemon in OU, using the following moveset:

Salamence @ Life Orb
Nature: Naive
EVs: 4 ATK / 252 SpA/ 252 SPE

Damage from the following moves:
Draco Meteor/Fire Blast/ Eathquake/ Outrage

@Aerodactyl (Subroost):89.2% - 105.4%/25.5% - 30%/ 0/ 87.8% - 103.7%
@Azelf (Duel Screen): 100.3% - 118.1%/57.3% - 67.5%/ 0/ 81.6% - 96.6%
@Blissey (OU Wishbliss): 28.6% - 33.8%/16.5% - 19.5%/31% - 36.4%/55.6% - 65.5%
@Blissey (Ubers Wishbliss): 23.6% - 28.1%/ 13.7% - 16.1%/ 36.8% - 43.4%/ 66.4% - 78.2%
@Breloom (Subseed): 124.7% - 147.2%/ 15.9% - 18.8%/ 143.1% - 168.8%/ 57.2% - 67.5%
@Bronzong (Duel Screen): 31.7% - 37.3%/ 72.8% - 85.8%/ 0/ 25.7% - 30.2%
@Celebi (Defensive): 65.3% - 77.2%/ 75.2% - 88.6%/ 11.1% - 13.1%/ 39.6% - 47%
@Dragonite (Dragon Dancer): 136.8% - 161.7%/ 19.7% - 23.1%/ 0/ 118.1% - 138.9%
@Dusknoir (Tank): 69.4% - 82%/ 40.1% - 47.3%/ 24.5% - 28.9%/ 43.9% - 52%
@Electivire (Newbvire): 104.1% - 122.6%/ 59.6% - 70.2%/ 115.1% - 135.6%/ 104.1% - 122.6%
@Empoleon (SubPetaya): 42.5% - 50%/ 48.7% - 57.8%/ 85.7% - 101.3%/ 38% - 44.8%
@Flygon (Choice Scarf): 210.6% - 248.3%/ 30.1% - 35.4%/ 0/ 173.5% - 204.6%
@Forretress (Physically defensive): 56.2% - 66.4%/ 258.8% - 305.1%/ 20.9% - 24.9%/ 18.6% - 22%
@Forretress (Specially defensive): 36.2% - 42.7%/ 166.1% - 196.6%/ 25.4% - 29.9%/ 22.9% - 27.1%
@Gengar (Choice Scarf): 128% - 151%/ 73.6% - 86.6%/ 0/ 125.7% - 148.3%
@Gliscor (Stallbreaker): 94.4% - 111.3%/ 54.2% - 63.8%/ 0/ 49.2% - 57.9%
@Gyrados (Bulky DD): 71.4% - 84.3%/ 20.5% - 24.1%/ 0/ 42.4% - 50.3%
@Heatran (Choice Scarf): 43.3% - 51.1%/ 0/ 142.4% - 168.4%/ 31.9% - 37.8%
@Heatran (Sleeptalk): 27.3% - 31.9%/ 0/ 119.5% - 141.3%/ 26.8% - 31.7%
@Heracross (Choice Scarf): 90.5% - 106.6%/ 103.6% - 122.6%/25.2% - 29.8%/ 90.8% - 107.2%
@Hippodown (Physical Wall): 73.6% - 86.7%/ 42.1% - 49.8%/ 19.8% - 23.3%/ 35.7% - 42.1%
@Infernape (Who puts defense on Infernape?): 133.1% - 156.7%/ 37.9% - 44.7%/ 109.2% - 129%/ 98.3% - 116%
@Jirachi (Choice Scarf): 36.6% - 43.2%/ 84.2% - 99.2%/ 67.6% - 79.8%/ 30.2% - 35.7%
@Jirachi (Substitute): 32.7% - 38.6%/ 75.2% - 88.6%/ 60.4% - 71.3%/ 27% - 31.9%
@Jolteon (specs): 101.8% - 119.9%/ 58.3% - 69%/ 134.3% - 158.7%/ 121% - 142.8%
@Kingdra (Substitute): 189% - 222.6%/ 13.4% - 15.8%/ 43.5% - 51.4%/ 156.2% - 183.6%
@Lucario (Swords Dance): 63% - 74.4%/ 144.5% - 170.1%/ 115.3% - 135.9%/ 51.2% - 60.9%
@Machamp (Resttalk): 79.2% - 93.2%/45.3% - 53.4%/ 38% - 44.8%/ 68.2% - 80.5%
@Magnezone (Steel Killer): 57.3% - 67.3%/ 131% - 154.4%/ 152.3% - 180.8%/ 34.5% - 40.6%
@Mamoswine (Boar): 110.5% - 130.5%/ 126.9% - 149.6%/ 40.2% - 47.4%/ 72.6% - 85.6%
@Metagross (Agiligross): 43.8% - 51.7%/ 100.3% - 118.5%/ 58.4% - 69.3%/ 26.1% - 31%
@Metagross (Tank): 39.6% - 46.7%/ 90.7% - 107.1%/ 40.1% - 47.8%/ 18.1% - 21.4%
@Ninjask: Ummm.....
@Roserade (Lead): 97.3% - 114.5%/ 110.7% - 130.5%/ 74.8% - 87.8%/ 134% - 158%
@Rotom-forms (Choice Scarf): 103.3% - 121.9%/ 59.1% - 69.8%/ 0/ 84.7% - 100.4%
@Rotom-forms (Resttalk): 72.4% - 85.9%/ 41.4% - 49%/ 0/ 55.3% - 65.1%
@Salamence (DragonDance): 214.5% - 252.6%/ 30.5% - 36%/ 0/ 158.3% - 186.7%
@Scizor (choice Band): 46.4% - 54.5%/ 212.2% - 250.7%/ 35.6% - 42%/ 31.8% - 37.6%
@Scizor (Uber Choice Bander): 36.3% - 42.6%/ 166.8% - 197%/ 36.9% - 43.5%/ 32.9% - 39%
@Skarmory (Physically Defensive): 53% - 62.6%/ 121.6% - 143.1%/ 0/ 19.8% - 23.4%
@Skarmory (Specially Defensive): 38.9% - 45.8%/ 89.2% - 105.4%/ 0/ 22.2% - 26%
@Smeargle: Shmeargle
@Snorlax (Thick Fat-Curselax): 36.4% - 42.9%/ 10.5% - 12.5%/ 29% - 34.2%/ 52.1% - 61.4%
@Snorlax (Thick Fat-Resttalk): 34.7% - 41%/ 10% - 11.9%/ 31.8% - 37.5%/ 56.9% - 67.2%
@Starmie (Rapid Spinner): 103.1% - 121.4%/ 29.5% - 34.6%/ 40% - 47.1%/ 71.5% - 84.4%
@Starmie (Choice Scarf): 116% - 136.6%/ 33.2% - 38.9%/ 53.4% - 63%/ 95.4% - 112.6%
@Suicine (Subcune): 59% - 69.6%/ 16.8% - 19.8%/ 26.9% - 31.9%/ 49% - 57.5%
@Suicine (Resttalk): 58.2% - 68.6%/ 16.6% - 19.6%/ 19.6% - 23.3%/ 35.6% - 41.8%
@Swampert (Lead): 71.3% - 84.2%/ 20.3% - 24%/ 23.3% - 27.5%/ 41.8% - 49.3%
@Tentacruel (Toxic Spikes): 50.5% - 59.6%/ 14.3% - 17%/ 80.2% - 94.5%/ 72% - 84.9%
@Togekiss (Encore): 62.8% - 74.1%/ 35.8% - 42.2%/ 0/ 59.4% - 70.1%
@Tyranitar (Choice Scarf): 51.8% - 60.8%/ 14.6% - 17.3%/ 65.5% - 77.2%/ 58.8% - 69.3%
@Umbreon (Support): 45.2% - 53.6%/ 25.9% - 30.5%/ 28.4% - 33.5%/ 51% - 60.2%
@Vaporeon (Wish Support): 61.6% - 72.5%/17.6% - 20.8%/ 26.6% - 31.5%/ 47.8% - 56.5%
@Weavile: Not switching into Salamence
@Zapdos (Physically Defensive): 75.2% - 88.8%/ 43.1% - 50.9%/ 0/ 46.5% - 55.1%
@Zapdos (Specially Defensive): 54.8% - 64.5%/ 31.1% - 36.8%/ 0/ 65.3% - 77%

These calculations illustrate that in common conditions, it is best for a Salamence switching in to open with Draco Meteor- it hits for 210 Base Power, including STAB, and even though it drops Salamence's Special Attack by 2 stages, it still has a full-powered Earthquake and Outrage to abuse.

Going from these calcs, here are the pokemon that can handle a Draco Meteor + Earthquake/Fire Blast, as going on an Outrage can easily lead to a revenge kill:

Blissey
Bronzong (Assuming -2 Fire Blast)
Snorlax
Umbreon

Here are the Pokemon that can take one Draco Meteor and then outspeed Salamence because of a higher Speed/Choice Scarf:

Heatran
Jirachi
Scizor (Use of Priority)
Tyranitar

Of course there are pokemon like Suicine that can slap on a Scarf and beat Mence that way, but I was going by which Scarf sets are considered common.

Now lets see how these Pokemon can handle a Mence at +1, as the user realizes that it's not a Mixmence they're fighting, but a Dragon Dancer:

Dragon Dance Salamence
Blissey: 54.8% - 64.4% from Earthquake, would be forced to Outrage to OHKO it
Bronzong: 72.8% - 85.8% from Fire Blast, Bronzong can explode on Salamence
Snorlax: 51.7% - 60.8% from Earthquake, would be forced to Outrage to OHKO it
Umbreon: 50.5% - 59.6% from Earthquake, would be forced to Outrate to OHKO it
Heatran: Mauled by Earthquake
Jirachi: 119.1% - 140.7% by Earthquake Speed tie means that Jirachi loses 50% of the time
Scizor: Still will get priority off, but roasted by Fire Blast
Tyranitar: 116.4% - 137.4% from Earthquake, OHKO

So four Pokemon can switch into either Draco Meteor or Dragon Dance and not immediately die to Salamence's next attack, and that's only if Salamence does not decide to kill off the Pokemon by using Outrage. Blissey can kill Salamence with Ice Beam, but only the Uber Blissey sets commonly carries that. Bronzong can do 51.1% - 60.1% with Gyro Ball or OHKO Salamence with Explosion. Snorlax can do 43.5% - 51.1% with Return or just blow up on it. Umbreon does a paltry 28.1% - 32.9% with Payback, but has Wish and Toxic to support the team. Choice Band Scizor, of course, does 58.9% - 69.2% with Bullet Punch (Ubers Choice Bander does 51.1% - 60.1% with Bullet Punch).

Since Fire Blast is primarily used to roast the Steels that sponge Draco Meteors, let's see how a moveset of Draco Meteor/ Dragon Dance/ Earthquake/ Outrage will do against the metagame:

Pokemon that can survive Draco Meteor + Earthquake:

Blissey
Bronzong
Forretress (Specially Defensive Only)
Rotom Forms (Resttalk Only)
Scizor (Uber Choice Bander Only)
Skarmory
Snorlax
Togekiss
Umbreon
Zapdos (Specially Defensive Only)

Several other Pokemon have a chance to survive, but reliying on such risky maneuvers can end up in you getting swept.

The Rotom Forms, Togekiss and Zapdos can be consequently wiped out by another Draco Meteor.

The listed Pokemon all will essentially force Salamence to Outrage, as either Earthquake has no effect or the Pokemon can take out Salamence before they would get beaten by a combination of Draco Meteor and Earthquake.

For good measure, here's what isn't OHKO'd by a +1 Outrage when it comes to endgame and Salamence is aiming to sweep:

Celebi
Dusknoir
Empoleon
Forretress
Gliscor
Gyrados
Heatran
Hippodown
Jirachi
Lucario
Magnezone
Metagross
Scizor
Skarmory
Swampert
Vaporeon

Now, due to SR, Life Orb, and possibly having to take attacks, it's unlikely that Salamence will have the luxury of scouting out its counter with a Draco Meteor, switching out, then going back in to Dragon Dance and sweep. Prediction also has a large role to play in this, especially when it comes to taking Draco Meteors and fighting a -2 Salamence. Whether this leads to an Uber position or not, that is to be determined.

 

[shrang]

No, that's bull. We've all been playing this game, so every single one of these posts are based on our experiences. I don't have to put "IMO" or "in my experience" in every single post just to prove that it's genuinely what I think based on what I've been playing. Not a single person who's come in this topic has posted their opinion without actually having played this game unless they've made it evident with some sort of caption like "I'm a wifi player".

If you think our arguments are flimsy and want proof, why don't you provide some yourself? Again, you're demanding more from the other side without providing any real content yourself. Raise the standard by being an example. I have a few logs if you want them, but I'm not posting anything until you can back up your words with a sound argument and your own evidence. Attempting to refute everyone's points doesn't prove you in the right unless you have a solid foundation to lean on. Otherwise, you're not debating, you're just bickering.

But you're the ones pro-actively wanting to ban Mence. It's like an "innocent-until-proven-guilty" sort of situation. If you have no proof to prove that Mence is Uber (Or your proof is proven to be false), then he isn't. I'm quite sure this place has a "ban as less Pokemon as possible" stance, so if you can't provide overwhelming evidence for Mence being Uber, then he shouldn't be banned.

 

[Efemera]

But you're the ones pro-actively wanting to ban Mence. It's like an "innocent-until-proven-guilty" sort of situation. If you have no proof to prove that Mence is Uber (Or your proof is proven to be false), then he isn't. I'm quite sure this place has a "ban as less Pokemon as possible" stance, so if you can't provide overwhelming evidence for Mence being Uber, then he shouldn't be banned.

That's not how the ban process works. Salamence is either Uber, or it isn't. It's not "there's a lot of evidence that suggests it might be Uber, but the data isn't totally conclusive so we're not going to ban it." If enough of the council think it's Uber, it will be Uber.

 

[remlabmez]

i can post calcs of infernape dominating every pokemon in OU as well, i dont see the point of calcs of every OU pokemon

 

[shrang]

That's because if the Council believes it to be Uber, they have seen conclusive evidence that Mence IS Uber, in which I'd support that. However, not posting logs and demanding that we state why we don't think Mence is Uber doesn't help your cause. We don't need to present why we don't think Mence isn't Uber, because he's not Uber at the present time. If he was already Uber and we are testing it for OU, the reverse would be the case, pro-OU players should be the ones presenting arguments for OU, while pro-Uber can sit back and prove those arguments wrong, if they can. However, since Mence is OU right now, it is your job to convince the Council that he is Uber, not the other way around.

 

[capefeather]

Disagreed. We should be looking at what the metagame should be without assuming that one is "canon" somehow. I don't think it matters which ladder has Salamence in it. Really, this has come down to a fundamental difference in opinion as to what should constitute "broken", at least among the thread posters.

 

[shrang]

Disagreed. We should be looking at what the metagame should be without assuming that one is "canon" somehow. I don't think it matters which ladder has Salamence in it. Really, this has come down to a fundamental difference in opinion as to what should constitute "broken", at least among the thread posters.

In an ideal world, that would happen. However, the reason we are testing Salamence at the moment is that a considerable portion of players find it too difficult to handle. However, others don't see the necessity of this, so why should we waste the effort in removing Salamence when we don't have to?? It is up to pro-Uber players to convince us that banning Mence is absolutely necessary. Banning Mence is a change, and change requires effort (Removing mentions of Latias in OU was bad enough, I heard). If the effort for the change is not justified properly, then what is the point of spending the extra effort to that change??

 

[Efemera]

Agreeing with what capefeather said. What is this effort that you're talking about? Removing Salamence from the metagame is not a difficult process. Add it to the ban list, restart the ladder, done. We've already started the testing process; biasing the result in favor of the existing metagame for no reason other than that it is what we're used to does not make very much sense.

If you're referring to the fact that many people will have to reconfigure their teams, well, good.

 

[shrang]

Yes, 1) Many people need to reconfigure team, and 2) all traces of Salamence in OU for analyses need to be removed, and from what I heard, Latias was bad enough. The point is, if banning Salamence cannot be justified, there is no point in doing so.

 

[capefeather]

I think he means the mentions of Latias in other OU Pokémon's strategydex pages. I do agree that we should be conservative with our bans, but not because it's the status quo.

 

[khz]

salamece is pretty easy to defeat. i always beat it when lance sends him out. i just send out my feraligatr and use ice beam on it. i think celebi on the other hand should be uber because he is legendary

Are you serious? O.O

 

[Lord Jesseus]

salamece is pretty easy to defeat. i always beat it when lance sends him out. i just send out my feraligatr and use ice beam on it. i think celebi on the other hand should be uber because he is legendary

This is hilarious.

 

[SJCrew]

By popular demand, here are the logs:

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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
SJCrew sent out Angel of Death (lvl 100 Azelf).
Pokefreak77 sent out Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Angel of Death used U-turn.
Swampert lost 22% of its health.
SJCrew switched in Death Toll (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Swampert used Ice Beam.
It's not very effective...
Death Toll lost 9% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
---
Swampert used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
Death Toll used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
---
Pokefreak77 switched in Rotom-h (lvl 100 Rotom-h).
Pointed stones dug into Rotom-h.
Rotom-h lost 12% of its health.
Death Toll used Light Screen.
A barrier was formed!
Rotom-h's leftovers restored its health a little!
Rotom-h restored 6% of its health.
---
SJCrew switched in El Blaze (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
Pointed stones dug into El Blaze.
El Blaze lost 12% of its health.
Rotom-h used Will-o-wisp.
Rotom-h's leftovers restored its health a little!
Rotom-h restored 6% of its health.
---
El Blaze used Overheat.
Rotom-h lost 75% of its health.
El Blaze's special attack was harshly lowered.
El Blaze lost 10% of its health.
Rotom-h used Thunderbolt.
El Blaze lost 27% of its health.
Rotom-h's leftovers restored its health a little!
Rotom-h restored 6% of its health.
---
Pokefreak77 switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Pointed stones dug into Swampert.
Swampert lost 6% of its health.
El Blaze used Overheat.
It's not very effective...
Swampert lost 17% of its health.
El Blaze's special attack was harshly lowered.
El Blaze lost 10% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
---
SJCrew switched in Angel of Death (lvl 100 Azelf).
Pointed stones dug into Angel of Death.
Angel of Death lost 12% of its health.
Pokefreak77 switched in Roserade (lvl 100 Roserade ?).
Pointed stones dug into Roserade.
Roserade lost 12% of its health.
Roserade's leftovers restored its health a little!
Roserade restored 6% of its health.
---
Angel of Death used Ice Punch.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Roserade lost 94% of its health.
Pokefreak77's Roserade fainted.
---
Pokefreak77 switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Pointed stones dug into Heatran.
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
SJCrew switched in Dracolord (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Dracolord's Intimidate cut Heatran's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Dracolord.
Dracolord lost 25% of its health.
Heatran used Fire Blast.
It's not very effective...
Dracolord lost 25% of its health.
---
Pokefreak77 switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Pointed stones dug into Swampert.
Swampert lost 6% of its health.
Dracolord used Earthquake.
Swampert lost 33% of its health.
Dracolord lost 10% of its health.
Dracolord's light screen wore off!
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
---
Dracolord used Outrage.
Dracolord went on a rampage!
Swampert lost 41% of its health.
Pokefreak77's Swampert fainted.
Dracolord lost 10% of its health.
---
Pokefreak77 switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Pointed stones dug into Heatran.
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Heatran used Dragon Pulse.
It's super effective!
Dracolord lost 30% of its health.
SJCrew's Dracolord fainted.
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SJCrew switched in Kill Order (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Pointed stones dug into Kill Order.
Kill Order lost 6% of its health.
Heatran used Dragon Pulse.
It's not very effective...
Kill Order lost 22% of its health.
Kill Order used Thunderbolt.
Heatran lost 75% of its health.
Pokefreak77's Heatran fainted.
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Pokefreak77 switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Kill Order's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Salamence.
Salamence lost 25% of its health.
Salamence used Fire Blast.
It's super effective!
Kill Order lost 72% of its health.
SJCrew's Kill Order fainted.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
---
SJCrew switched in Mistwalker (lvl 100 Suicune).
Mistwalker is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Mistwalker.
Mistwalker lost 12% of its health.
Pokefreak77 switched in Rotom-h (lvl 100 Rotom-h).
Pointed stones dug into Rotom-h.
Rotom-h lost 12% of its health.
Mistwalker used Ice Beam.
Rotom-h lost 19% of its health.
Pokefreak77's Rotom-h fainted.
Mistwalker's leftovers restored its health a little!
Mistwalker restored 6% of its health.
---
Pokefreak77 switched in Feraligatr (lvl 100 Feraligatr ?).
Pointed stones dug into Feraligatr.
Feraligatr lost 12% of its health.
Feraligatr used Swords Dance.
Feraligatr's attack was sharply raised.
Mistwalker used Roar.
Pokefreak77 switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Mistwalker's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Salamence.
Salamence lost 25% of its health.
Mistwalker's leftovers restored its health a little!
Mistwalker restored 6% of its health.
---
Salamence used Draco Meteor.
Mistwalker lost 66% of its health.
Salamence's special attack was harshly lowered.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
Mistwalker used Ice Beam.
It's super effective!
Salamence lost 30% of its health.
Pokefreak77's Salamence fainted.
Mistwalker's leftovers restored its health a little!
Mistwalker restored 6% of its health.
---
Pokefreak77 has left the room.
SJCrew wins!

In this instance, Swampert attempts to check Salamence, but dies to a combination of Earthquake and Outrage. Prior damage from Uturn was dealt, but according to the damage calculator, an unboosted Outrage from a +Att DDmence depletes well over half of Swampert's HP, garnering a 2HKO. Unfortunately, Outrage lasted a third turn, leaving Salamence vulnerable to a revenge kill from Heatran. But more importantly, one of Salamence's most prominent DD checks dies.

Also, I think it's worth pointing out that Scarftran's use of Dragon Pulse left it completely helpless to the incoming Magnezone.

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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
SJCrew sent out Angel of Death (lvl 100 Azelf).
-Hugo- sent out Uxie (lvl 100 Uxie).
Angel of Death used Explosion.
Uxie lost 100% of its health.
-Hugo-'s Uxie fainted.
SJCrew's Angel of Death fainted.
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SJCrew: plz go
SJCrew switched in Dracolord (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
-Hugo- switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Dracolord's Intimidate cut Swampert's attack!
SJCrew switched in Death Toll (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Swampert used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
---
-Hugo- switched in Jolteon (lvl 100 Jolteon ?).
Death Toll used Light Screen.
A barrier was formed!
---
Jolteon used Shadow Ball.
Death Toll lost 13% of its health.
Death Toll used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
---
Jolteon used Shadow Ball.
Death Toll lost 12% of its health.
Death Toll used Explosion.
Jolteon lost 100% of its health.
-Hugo-'s Jolteon fainted.
SJCrew's Death Toll fainted.
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SJCrew switched in Dracolord (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
-Hugo- switched in Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ?).
Dracolord's Intimidate cut Gyarados's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Dracolord.
Dracolord lost 25% of its health.
Gyarados's Intimidate cut Dracolord's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Gyarados.
Gyarados lost 25% of its health.
Dracolord used Outrage.
Dracolord went on a rampage!
Gyarados lost 75% of its health.
-Hugo-'s Gyarados fainted.
Dracolord lost 10% of its health.
---
-Hugo- switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Pointed stones dug into Swampert.
Swampert lost 6% of its health.
Dracolord used Outrage.
Swampert lost 48% of its health.
Dracolord lost 10% of its health.
Swampert used Roar.
SJCrew switched in El Blaze (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
Pointed stones dug into El Blaze.
El Blaze lost 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
---
SJCrew switched in Dracolord (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Dracolord's Intimidate cut Swampert's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Dracolord.
Dracolord lost 25% of its health.
-Hugo- switched in Dragonite (lvl 100 Dragonite ?).
Pointed stones dug into Dragonite.
Dragonite lost 25% of its health.
---
-Hugo- switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Pointed stones dug into Swampert.
Swampert lost 6% of its health.
Dracolord used Outrage.
Dracolord went on a rampage!
Swampert lost 46% of its health.
-Hugo-'s Swampert fainted.
Dracolord lost 10% of its health.
---
-Hugo- switched in Dragonite (lvl 100 Dragonite ?).
Pointed stones dug into Dragonite.
Dragonite lost 25% of its health.
Dracolord used Outrage.
It's super effective!
Dragonite lost 50% of its health.
-Hugo-'s Dragonite fainted.
Dracolord lost 10% of its health.
Dracolord's light screen wore off!
Dracolord's rampage ended.
Dracolord became confused!
---
-Hugo- switched in Kingdra (lvl 100 Kingdra ?).
Pointed stones dug into Kingdra.
Kingdra lost 12% of its health.
Dracolord is confused!
It hurt itself in its confusion!
Dracolord lost 11% of its health.
SJCrew's Dracolord fainted.
Kingdra used Dragon Dance.
Kingdra's attack was raised.
Kingdra's speed was raised.
---
SJCrew switched in Kill Order (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Pointed stones dug into Kill Order.
Kill Order lost 6% of its health.
Kingdra used Waterfall.
Kill Order lost 84% of its health.
Kill Order flinched!
---
Kingdra used Waterfall.
Kill Order lost 10% of its health.
SJCrew's Kill Order fainted.
---
SJCrew switched in Mistwalker (lvl 100 Suicune).
Mistwalker is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Mistwalker.
Mistwalker lost 12% of its health.
Kingdra used Dragon Dance.
Kingdra's attack was raised.
Kingdra's speed was raised.
Mistwalker used Ice Beam.
Kingdra lost 25% of its health.
Mistwalker's leftovers restored its health a little!
Mistwalker restored 6% of its health.
---
Kingdra used Dragon Dance.
Kingdra's attack was raised.
Kingdra's speed was raised.
Mistwalker used Ice Beam.
Kingdra lost 25% of its health.
Mistwalker's leftovers restored its health a little!
Mistwalker restored 6% of its health.
---
Kingdra used Outrage.
Kingdra went on a rampage!
Mistwalker lost 72% of its health.
Mistwalker used Ice Beam.
Kingdra lost 29% of its health.
Kingdra was frozen solid!
Mistwalker's leftovers restored its health a little!
Mistwalker restored 6% of its health.
---
Kingdra is frozen solid!
Mistwalker used Ice Beam.
Kingdra lost 8% of its health.
-Hugo-'s Kingdra fainted.
SJCrew wins!
-Hugo- has left the room.

Salamence comes in and immediately kills Gyarados with Outrage even at -1. Light Screen is up, so the incoming Swampert is forced to Roar instead of Ice Beam. But Salamence comes back in for round two and uses Outrage once more, which finishes off Swampert as well as Dragonite.

At this point, you're probably thinking, "Where's his Steel? What's with all the DDers? This guy sucks." While I'm not sure this match is representative of the the competence of my opponent or his strategy, judging from the Uxie lead, it appears his strategy consisted of Dual Screens with Uturn, to break the sash on Taunt abusers and handle them with the appropriate check.

With Screens up, my opponent could have initiated a chain of bulky DD sweepers, who would continue to weaken each other's counters one after the other, until the opponent's defensive core is damaged enough for a successful sweep.

Of course, this strategy would have been successful were it not for my Azelf lead's Explosion and the immediate pressure applied by my Salamence. I won't deny that Light Screen also played a pivotal role in this, which prevented Swampert from killing it and allowed Salamence to steal two more kills, possibly another if the confusion from Outrage hadn't kicked in; however, the kill on Gyarados and damage to Swampert were all Salamence, which paved the way for my Infernape to take on the rest of his team.

For good measure, let's take a look at all of the other Pokemon that would have been capable of successfully KOing or 2HKOing Gyarados at -1 in this very situation without using Explosion:

Aerodactyl: countered/prevented by Swamert
Azelf (w/Tbolt): countered/prevented by Jolteon
Dusknoir (w/Tpunch): Jolteon (though most players would not expect a Thunder Punch, to be fair)
Electivire: Jolteon
Gengar (w/Tbolt): Jolteon
Heracross (CB Stone Edge): Swampert
Jirachi: Swampert
Jolteon: Swampert/Jolteon
Metagross (Agility Thunder Punch): Swampert
Rotom-A: Jolteon
Starmie: Jolteon
Suicune (HP Electric): Jolteon
Tyranitar: Swampert
Vaporeon: Jolteon
Zapdos: Jolteon/Swampert

Also, I looked up the calcs for -1 Salamence's Outrage and realized I took a huge risk there opting to Outrage right away, but I wanted Gyara gone ASAP and knew that Salamence's +Att nature would at least give it a chance to KO. More importantly, every single OU on that list feasibly capable of KOing Gyarados would have been annulled by my opponent's switch-in, save for Salamence, who could have KOed it with an Outrage or Draco Meteor.

(PS: The bit of hax at the end had no bearing on the outcome, as I had a priority user lying in wait to KO it)

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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
SJCrew sent out Angel of Death (lvl 100 Azelf).
cukowNz sent out Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Angel of Death used U-turn.
Swampert lost 24% of its health.
SJCrew switched in Death Toll (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Swampert used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
---
cukowNz switched in Zapdos (lvl 100 Zapdos).
Zapdos is exerting its pressure!
Death Toll used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
---
Zapdos used Heat Wave.
It's super effective!
Death Toll lost 62% of its health.
Death Toll used Light Screen.
A barrier was formed!
---
Zapdos used Thunderbolt.
Death Toll lost 23% of its health.
Death Toll used Reflect.
A barrier was formed!
---
Zapdos used Thunderbolt.
Death Toll lost 16% of its health.
SJCrew's Death Toll fainted.
---
SJCrew switched in Dracolord (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Dracolord's Intimidate cut Zapdos's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Dracolord.
Dracolord lost 25% of its health.
cukowNz switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Pointed stones dug into Swampert.
Swampert lost 6% of its health.
Dracolord used Dragon Dance.
Dracolord's attack was raised.
Dracolord's speed was raised.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
---
Dracolord used Outrage.
Dracolord went on a rampage!
Swampert lost 82% of its health.
cukowNz's Swampert fainted.
Dracolord lost 10% of its health.
---
cukowNz switched in Skarmory (lvl 100 Skarmory ?).
Pointed stones dug into Skarmory.
Skarmory lost 12% of its health.
Dracolord used Outrage.
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 41% of its health.
Dracolord lost 10% of its health.
Skarmory used Roost.
Skarmory restored 50% of its health.
Skarmory's leftovers restored its health a little!
Skarmory restored 3% of its health.
---
Dracolord used Outrage.
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 41% of its health.
Dracolord lost 10% of its health.
Skarmory used Brave Bird.
Dracolord lost 21% of its health.
Skarmory was hit by recoil!
Skarmory lost 7% of its health.
Dracolord's rampage ended.
Dracolord became confused!
Skarmory's leftovers restored its health a little!
Skarmory restored 6% of its health.
---
Dracolord is confused!
Dracolord used Fire Blast.
It's super effective!
Skarmory lost 58% of its health.
cukowNz's Skarmory fainted.
Dracolord lost 10% of its health.
Dracolord's light screen wore off!
---
cukowNz switched in Heracross (lvl 100 Heracross ?).
Pointed stones dug into Heracross.
Heracross lost 12% of its health.
Dracolord snapped out of confusion!
Dracolord used Fire Blast.
It's super effective!
Heracross lost 88% of its health.
cukowNz's Heracross fainted.
Dracolord lost 10% of its health.
Dracolord's reflect wore off!
---
cukowNz switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Pointed stones dug into Blissey.
Blissey lost 12% of its health.
Dracolord used Outrage.
Dracolord went on a rampage!
Blissey lost 88% of its health.
cukowNz's Blissey fainted.
Dracolord lost 5% of its health.
SJCrew's Dracolord fainted.
---
SJCrew switched in Angel of Death (lvl 100 Azelf).
cukowNz switched in Zapdos (lvl 100 Zapdos).
Pointed stones dug into Angel of Death.
Angel of Death lost 12% of its health.
Zapdos is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Zapdos.
Zapdos lost 25% of its health.
Angel of Death used Ice Punch.
It's super effective!
Zapdos lost 75% of its health.
cukowNz's Zapdos fainted.
---
cukowNz switched in Gengar (lvl 100 Gengar ?).
Pointed stones dug into Gengar.
Gengar lost 12% of its health.
Angel of Death used Ice Punch.
Gengar lost 80% of its health.
Gengar used Shadow Ball.
It's super effective!
Angel of Death lost 88% of its health.
SJCrew's Angel of Death fainted.
---
SJCrew switched in Mistwalker (lvl 100 Suicune).
Mistwalker is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Mistwalker.
Mistwalker lost 12% of its health.
Gengar used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Mistwalker lost 88% of its health.
SJCrew's Mistwalker fainted.
---
SJCrew: yeah
SJCrew switched in El Blaze (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
Pointed stones dug into El Blaze.
El Blaze lost 12% of its health.
Gengar used Shadow Ball.
El Blaze lost 69% of its health.
El Blaze used Overheat.
Gengar lost 8% of its health.
cukowNz's Gengar fainted.
SJCrew wins!
cukowNz has left the room.

Salamence pretty much owns everything here, not much to explain. The KO on Swampert was practically guaranteed at the amount of HP it had, as I was running an attack-boosting nature. At +1 that brings us to: 81.2% - 95.8%. The blue swamp monster had to pull a miracle in order to survive, which are pretty nice odds for me to bank on.

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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
Esterk sent out Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
SJCrew sent out Angel of Death (lvl 100 Azelf).
Angel of Death used U-turn.
Metagross lost 28% of its health.
SJCrew switched in Kill Order (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Metagross used Meteor Mash.
It's not very effective...
Kill Order lost 16% of its health.
---
Kill Order used Thunderbolt.
Metagross lost 72% of its health.
Esterk's Metagross fainted.
---
Esterk switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
SJCrew switched in Death Toll (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Swampert used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
---
Esterk switched in Breloom (lvl 100 Breloom ?).
Death Toll used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
Breloom was badly poisoned!
---
Breloom used Spore.
Death Toll fell asleep!
Death Toll is fast asleep!
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
---
SJCrew switched in Angel of Death (lvl 100 Azelf).
Pointed stones dug into Angel of Death.
Angel of Death lost 12% of its health.
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 13% of its health.
---
Breloom is tightening its focus!
Angel of Death used U-turn.
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
SJCrew switched in Dracolord (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Dracolord's Intimidate cut Breloom's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Dracolord.
Dracolord lost 25% of its health.
Breloom used Focus Punch.
It's not very effective...
Dracolord lost 34% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 13% of its health.
---
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Esterk switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Pointed stones dug into Swampert.
Swampert lost 6% of its health.
Dracolord used Outrage.
Dracolord went on a rampage!
Swampert lost 62% of its health.
Dracolord lost 10% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
---
Dracolord used Outrage.
Swampert lost 38% of its health.
Esterk's Swampert fainted.
Dracolord lost 10% of its health.
---
Esterk switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Pointed stones dug into Heatran.
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Heatran used Fire Blast.
It's not very effective...
Dracolord lost 21% of its health.
SJCrew's Dracolord fainted.
---
SJCrew switched in Mistwalker (lvl 100 Suicune).
Mistwalker is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Mistwalker.
Mistwalker lost 12% of its health.
Esterk switched in Breloom (lvl 100 Breloom ?).
Pointed stones dug into Breloom.
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Mistwalker used Ice Beam.
It's super effective!
Breloom lost 73% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 13% of its health.
Mistwalker's leftovers restored its health a little!
Mistwalker restored 6% of its health.
---
Esterk switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Pointed stones dug into Heatran.
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Mistwalker used Ice Beam.
It's not very effective...
Heatran lost 5% of its health.
Mistwalker's leftovers restored its health a little!
Mistwalker restored 6% of its health.
---
SJCrew switched in Death Toll (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Pointed stones dug into Death Toll.
Death Toll lost 6% of its health.
Heatran used Explosion.
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
Death Toll lost 66% of its health.
Esterk's Heatran fainted.
---
Esterk switched in Breloom (lvl 100 Breloom ?).
Pointed stones dug into Breloom.
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
SJCrew switched in Angel of Death (lvl 100 Azelf).
Pointed stones dug into Angel of Death.
Angel of Death lost 12% of its health.
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 13% of its health.
---
Breloom is tightening its focus!
Angel of Death used U-turn.
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
Angel of Death is already out.
SJCrew switched in Death Toll (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Pointed stones dug into Death Toll.
Death Toll lost 6% of its health.
Breloom used Focus Punch.
Death Toll lost 22% of its health.
SJCrew's Death Toll fainted.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 13% of its health.
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SJCrew switched in Angel of Death (lvl 100 Azelf).
Pointed stones dug into Angel of Death.
Angel of Death lost 12% of its health.
Esterk switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Angel of Death's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Salamence.
Salamence lost 25% of its health.
Angel of Death used U-turn.
It's not very effective...
Salamence lost 15% of its health.
SJCrew switched in El Blaze (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
Pointed stones dug into El Blaze.
El Blaze lost 12% of its health.
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El Blaze used Stone Edge.
It's super effective!
Salamence lost 61% of its health.
Esterk's Salamence fainted.
El Blaze lost 10% of its health.
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Esterk switched in Suicune (lvl 100 Suicune).
Suicune is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Suicune.
Suicune lost 12% of its health.
El Blaze used Close Combat.
Suicune lost 65% of its health.
El Blaze's defence was lowered.
El Blaze's special defence was lowered.
El Blaze lost 10% of its health.
Suicune used Calm Mind.
Suicune's special attack was raised.
Suicune's special defence was raised.
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
Esterk has left the room.
SJCrew wins!
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Another match where Salamence rips Swampert a new one, nothing new, leaving one less check for Infernape. The misprediction on my opponent's part at the end was a non-factor; I had him in a checkmate position where Azelf could finish off the weakened Suicune and Breloom even if he opted to attack instead.

You might notice that in these examples, I used Salamence in a completely different manner than usual: attack first and DD later. The reason for this is that Salamence's most common DD checks only beat him with the assumption that he uses DD right away; if I test the waters first (pun intended, actually, since as you can see, Swampert was around the corner nearly every time I attempted this), I can open up a sweep for Salamence without having to rely on my opponent's team being weakened through residual damage or the rest of my teammates. Though my tactics are a bit reckless, they've worked more often than not, and through a series of roughly 20 or so battles, my CRE jumped about 30 points.

I think this goes to show that DDmence doesn't even need a Dragon Dance under its belt in order to maintain its status as the most potent offensive threat in OU. You still have to be careful about absolutely everything you switch in, even if you're aware of the set you're facing, and if you're facing a competent player the odds are almost never in your favor.

 

[Futility]

i can post calcs of infernape dominating every pokemon in OU as well, i dont see the point of calcs of every OU pokemon

I did it because I am, more or less, a stat and calculation junkie and I wanted to see how fearsome Salamence's offense really was. While Infernape also has several very viable sets, there are numerous factors that prevent Infernape from becoming as Suspect-worthy as Salamence:

• Salamence has an immunity to one of the most used attacking types in the metagame in addition to an ability that lessens the damage done from physical attacks. Infernape really can't come in on anything.
• Fire has four resistances compared to Dragon's one resist, while Fighting not only has four resistances as well, but an immunity to boot. That means that the Infernape user has to make much more caution as to which attack to use.
• Infernape also does not have any move that can raise its speed, meaning that Infernape is more prone to revenge killing than Salamence.

I will be glad to do calcs for Infernape to compare its offenses, but this is about Salamence's tiering, not Infernape's.

 

[shrang]

Okay, you all know I'm anti-Uber at the moment, but I'm going to provide some sort of objectivity here by posting a stack of logs. Please don't judge me, I'm not the best player around. All I did is make a team with DDMence in it, and recorded the first 8 matches that I played. Rather simple (I got owned quite a few times but whatever, I wasn't deliberately playing crap). I'm "WE MISS LATIAS", because we do, hehe. Take these logs as just raw data, I'm not going to analyse them (YET).

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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
Exo329 sent out Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).
WE MISS LATIAS sent out Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Bronzong used Trick Room.
Bronzong twisted the dimensions!
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Bronzong used Hypnosis.
Bronzong's attack missed!
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Exo329 switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Swampert used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Heatran used Hidden Power.
Flygon lost 56% of its health.
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Heatran used Hidden Power.
Flygon lost 44% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Flygon fainted.
The twisted dimensions returned to normal!
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Exo329 switched in Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Pointed stones dug into Bronzong.
Bronzong lost 6% of its health.
Starmie used Surf.
Bronzong lost 42% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
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Starmie used Surf.
Bronzong lost 42% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
Bronzong used Trick Room.
Bronzong twisted the dimensions!
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Bronzong used Explosion.
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
Heatran lost 100% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Heatran fainted.
Exo329's Bronzong fainted.
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Exo329: hehehe
Exo329 switched in Scizor (lvl 100 Scizor ?).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Pointed stones dug into Scizor.
Scizor lost 12% of its health.
Scizor used Superpower.
Swampert lost 46% of its health.
Scizor's attack was lowered.
Scizor's defence was lowered.
Swampert used Roar.
Exo329 switched in Tyranitar (lvl 100 Tyranitar ?).
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
A sandstorm brewed!
Pointed stones dug into Tyranitar.
Tyranitar lost 12% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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Tyranitar used Crunch.
Swampert lost 45% of its health.
Swampert used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 55% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Tyranitar used Crunch.
It's not very effective...
Magnezone lost 36% of its health.
Magnezone's defence was lowered.
The twisted dimensions returned to normal!
The sandstorm rages.
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Exo329 switched in Claydol (lvl 100 Claydol).
Pointed stones dug into Claydol.
Claydol lost 6% of its health.
Magnezone used Thunderbolt.
It doesn't affect Claydol...
The sandstorm rages.
Claydol's leftovers restored its health a little!
Claydol restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Claydol used Trick Room.
Claydol twisted the dimensions!
The sandstorm rages.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Claydol used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Magnezone lost 64% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Magnezone fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
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Exo329: hehehhe
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Claydol used Earthquake.
Swampert lost 24% of its health.
Swampert used Ice Beam.
It's super effective!
Claydol lost 35% of its health.
Claydol was frozen solid!
The sandstorm rages.
Claydol's leftovers restored its health a little!
Claydol restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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Exo329: as if i got frozen :S
Claydol is frozen solid!
Swampert used Roar.
Exo329 switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Pointed stones dug into Swampert.
Swampert lost 6% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
---
Swampert used Earthquake.
Swampert lost 17% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Swampert fainted.
The twisted dimensions returned to normal!
The sandstorm rages.
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Exo329: boom
Exo329: gg
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Starmie used Surf.
Swampert lost 35% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
Swampert used Curse.
Swampert's speed was lowered.
Swampert's attack was raised.
Swampert's defence was raised.
The sandstorm rages.
Starmie is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Starmie lost 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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Exo329: y did u roar me, btw?
WE MISS LATIAS: waste tr turns, pretty much
Starmie used Surf.
Swampert lost 35% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
Swampert used Curse.
Swampert's speed was lowered.
Swampert's attack was raised.
Swampert's defence was raised.
The sandstorm rages.
Starmie is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Starmie lost 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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Exo329: ah kk
Starmie used Surf.
Swampert lost 36% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
Swampert used Rest.
Swampert fell asleep!
Swampert restored 95% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Starmie is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Starmie lost 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Swampert's attack!
Swampert is fast asleep!
The sandstorm rages.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 6% of its health.
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Salamence used Fire Blast.
It's not very effective...
Swampert lost 14% of its health.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
Swampert is fast asleep!
The sandstorm rages.
Salamence is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Salamence lost 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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Salamence used Dragon Dance.
Salamence's attack was raised.
Salamence's speed was raised.
Swampert woke up!
Swampert used Avalanche.
It's super effective!
Salamence lost 78% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Salamence fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
---
Exo329: gg
WE MISS LATIAS: g
WE MISS LATIAS: gg
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Starmie used Surf.
Swampert lost 33% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
Swampert used Earthquake.
Starmie lost 22% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Starmie fainted.
Exo329 wins!

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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
Soul Crisis sent out Blastoise (lvl 100 Blastoise ?).
WE MISS LATIAS sent out Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Soul Crisis switched in Dugtrio (lvl 100 Dugtrio ?).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
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Dugtrio used Earthquake.
Swampert lost 37% of its health.
Swampert used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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Soul Crisis switched in Weezing (lvl 100 Weezing ?).
Pointed stones dug into Weezing.
Weezing lost 12% of its health.
Weezing makes ground moves miss with Levitate!
Swampert used Earthquake.
Swampert's attack missed!
Weezing's leftovers restored its health a little!
Weezing restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Weezing used Will-o-wisp.
Heatran's Flash Fire raised its fire power!
Weezing's leftovers restored its health a little!
Weezing restored 6% of its health.
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Soul Crisis switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Pointed stones dug into Blissey.
Blissey lost 12% of its health.
Heatran used Substitute.
Heatran lost 25% of its health.
Heatran made a substitute!
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
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Heatran used Toxic.
Blissey was badly poisoned!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Heatran!
Heatran's substitute faded!
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Blissey is hurt by poison!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Swampert lost 25% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Blissey is hurt by poison!
Blissey lost 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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Soul Crisis switched in Weezing (lvl 100 Weezing ?).
Pointed stones dug into Weezing.
Weezing lost 12% of its health.
Swampert used Roar.
Soul Crisis switched in Dugtrio (lvl 100 Dugtrio ?).
Pointed stones dug into Dugtrio.
Dugtrio lost 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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Soul Crisis switched in Weezing (lvl 100 Weezing ?).
Pointed stones dug into Weezing.
Weezing lost 12% of its health.
Swampert used Ice Beam.
Weezing lost 18% of its health.
Weezing's leftovers restored its health a little!
Weezing restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Weezing used Pain Split.
Weezing restored 10% of its health.
Heatran lost 11% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
Weezing's leftovers restored its health a little!
Weezing restored 6% of its health.
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Soul Crisis switched in Tentacruel (lvl 100 Tentacruel ?).
Pointed stones dug into Tentacruel.
Tentacruel lost 12% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Tentacruel's attack!
Tentacruel's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Tentacruel restored 6% of its health.
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Tentacruel used Rapid Spin.
Tentacruel blew away the pointed stones!
Salamence lost 3% of its health.
Salamence used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Tentacruel lost 94% of its health.
Soul Crisis's Tentacruel fainted.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
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Soul Crisis switched in Blastoise (lvl 100 Blastoise ?).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Blastoise used Ice Beam.
Swampert lost 26% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
---
Blastoise used Water Spout.
Swampert lost 50% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Swampert fainted.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Soul Crisis: u brought out the bigguns
Soul Crisis switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Starmie used Thunderbolt.
Blissey lost 10% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
It doesn't affect Flygon...
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
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Soul Crisis switched in Weezing (lvl 100 Weezing ?).
Flygon used U-turn.
It's not very effective...
Weezing lost 7% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
Weezing's leftovers restored its health a little!
Weezing restored 6% of its health.
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Heatran used Flamethrower.
Weezing lost 54% of its health.
Weezing used Thunderbolt.
Heatran lost 18% of its health.
Heatran is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Weezing's leftovers restored its health a little!
Weezing restored 6% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
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Soul Crisis switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Heatran used Flamethrower.
Blissey lost 14% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Blissey used Wish.
Blissey made a wish!
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
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Soul Crisis switched in Electivire (lvl 100 Electivire ?).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
The wish came true!
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Soul Crisis switched in Weezing (lvl 100 Weezing ?).
Flygon used U-turn.
It's not very effective...
Weezing lost 7% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Weezing's leftovers restored its health a little!
Weezing restored 6% of its health.
---
Magnezone used Flash Cannon.
Weezing lost 29% of its health.
Soul Crisis's Weezing fainted.
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Soul Crisis switched in Blastoise (lvl 100 Blastoise ?).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Blastoise used Water Spout.
It's not very effective...
Starmie lost 61% of its health.
---
Soul Crisis switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Blissey's attack!
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Soul Crisis switched in Dugtrio (lvl 100 Dugtrio ?).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
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Dugtrio used Sucker Punch.
Flygon lost 49% of its health.
Flygon used U-turn.
Dugtrio lost 57% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
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Soul Crisis switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Magnezone used Flash Cannon.
Blissey lost 12% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
WE MISS LATIAS: lol that was a bad switch
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Blissey used Wish.
Blissey made a wish!
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
---
Soul Crisis switched in Blastoise (lvl 100 Blastoise ?).
Heatran used Toxic.
Blastoise was badly poisoned!
The wish came true!
Blastoise is hurt by poison!
Blastoise lost 6% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Blastoise used Water Spout.
It's not very effective...
Starmie lost 29% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Starmie fainted.
Blastoise is hurt by poison!
Blastoise lost 12% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Soul Crisis switched in Electivire (lvl 100 Electivire ?).
Magnezone used Explosion.
Electivire lost 100% of its health.
Soul Crisis's Electivire fainted.
WE MISS LATIAS's Magnezone fainted.
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Soul Crisis switched in Dugtrio (lvl 100 Dugtrio ?).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Dugtrio used Sucker Punch.
Flygon lost 41% of its health.
Flygon used Outrage.
Flygon went on a rampage!
Dugtrio lost 37% of its health.
Soul Crisis's Dugtrio fainted.
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Soul Crisis switched in Blastoise (lvl 100 Blastoise ?).
Blastoise used Aqua Jet.
Flygon lost 10% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Flygon fainted.
Blastoise is hurt by poison!
Blastoise lost 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Blastoise's attack!
Salamence used Outrage.
Salamence went on a rampage!
Blastoise lost 75% of its health.
Soul Crisis's Blastoise fainted.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
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Soul Crisis: damn
Soul Crisis: nice
Soul Crisis: gg
Soul Crisis switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
WE MISS LATIAS: gg
Salamence used Outrage.
Blissey lost 95% of its health.
Soul Crisis's Blissey fainted.
WE MISS LATIAS wins!

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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
Ambi-Volent. sent out Fruitoftheloom (lvl 100 Breloom ?).
WE MISS LATIAS sent out Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Ambi-Volent. switched in Twinkle Twinkle (lvl 100 Jirachi).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
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Ambi-Volent. switched in Fruitoftheloom (lvl 100 Breloom ?).
Swampert used Earthquake.
It's not very effective...
Fruitoftheloom lost 25% of its health.
Fruitoftheloom was badly poisoned!
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Fruitoftheloom used Spore.
Heatran fell asleep!
Fruitoftheloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Fruitoftheloom restored 13% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Fruitoftheloom's attack!
Fruitoftheloom used Substitute.
Fruitoftheloom lost 25% of its health.
Fruitoftheloom made a substitute!
Fruitoftheloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Fruitoftheloom restored 13% of its health.
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Fruitoftheloom is tightening its focus!
Salamence used Fire Blast.
Salamence's attack missed!
Fruitoftheloom used Focus Punch.
It's not very effective...
Salamence lost 37% of its health.
Fruitoftheloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Fruitoftheloom restored 13% of its health.
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Fruitoftheloom is tightening its focus!
Salamence used Fire Blast.
Salamence's attack missed!
Fruitoftheloom used Focus Punch.
It's not very effective...
Salamence lost 33% of its health.
Fruitoftheloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Fruitoftheloom restored 13% of its health.
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Fruitoftheloom is tightening its focus!
Salamence used Outrage.
Salamence went on a rampage!
The substitute took damage for Fruitoftheloom!
Fruitoftheloom's substitute faded!
Fruitoftheloom used Focus Punch.
It's not very effective...
Salamence lost 30% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Salamence fainted.
Fruitoftheloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Fruitoftheloom restored 0% of its health.
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Ambi-Volent.: holy jesus
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Ambi-Volent. switched in Twinkle Twinkle (lvl 100 Jirachi).
Starmie used Ice Beam.
It's not very effective...
Twinkle Twinkle lost 18% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
Twinkle Twinkle's leftovers restored its health a little!
Twinkle Twinkle restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Twinkle Twinkle used Thunder Wave.
It doesn't affect Swampert...
Twinkle Twinkle's leftovers restored its health a little!
Twinkle Twinkle restored 6% of its health.
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Ambi-Volent. switched in Fruitoftheloom (lvl 100 Breloom ?).
Swampert used Ice Beam.
It's super effective!
Fruitoftheloom lost 61% of its health.
Fruitoftheloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Fruitoftheloom restored 13% of its health.
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Fruitoftheloom used Seed Bomb.
It's super effective!
Swampert lost 100% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Swampert fainted.
Fruitoftheloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Fruitoftheloom restored 13% of its health.
---
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Ambi-Volent. switched in Ez Bake (lvl 100 Rotom-h).
Flygon used U-turn.
It's not very effective...
Ez Bake lost 8% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Ez Bake's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ez Bake restored 6% of its health.
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Ambi-Volent. switched in Fo Drizzle (lvl 100 Suicune).
Fo Drizzle is exerting its pressure!
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
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Flygon used U-turn.
Fo Drizzle lost 16% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Fo Drizzle used Surf.
Magnezone lost 60% of its health.
Fo Drizzle's leftovers restored its health a little!
Fo Drizzle restored 6% of its health.
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Ambi-Volent. switched in Purple Rain (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Magnezone used Flash Cannon.
It's not very effective...
Purple Rain lost 20% of its health.
Purple Rain's special defence was lowered.
Purple Rain's leftovers restored its health a little!
Purple Rain restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Purple Rain used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
Purple Rain's leftovers restored its health a little!
Purple Rain restored 6% of its health.
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Flygon used U-turn.
A critical hit!
Purple Rain lost 29% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Pointed stones dug into Starmie.
Starmie lost 12% of its health.
Purple Rain used Roar.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Pointed stones dug into Magnezone.
Magnezone lost 6% of its health.
Purple Rain's leftovers restored its health a little!
Purple Rain restored 6% of its health.
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Ambi-Volent. switched in Le Bomba (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Flygon.
Flygon lost 6% of its health.
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Ambi-Volent. switched in Ez Bake (lvl 100 Rotom-h).
Ez Bake makes ground moves miss with Levitate!
Flygon used Earthquake.
Flygon's attack missed!
Ez Bake's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ez Bake restored 1% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Pointed stones dug into Heatran.
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Ez Bake used Thunderbolt.
Heatran lost 32% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
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Heatran is fast asleep!
Ez Bake used Thunderbolt.
Heatran lost 36% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
---
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Flygon.
Flygon lost 6% of its health.
Ez Bake used Thunderbolt.
It doesn't affect Flygon...
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Flygon used U-turn.
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
Ez Bake lost 15% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Pointed stones dug into Magnezone.
Magnezone lost 6% of its health.
Ez Bake used Substitute.
Ez Bake lost 25% of its health.
Ez Bake made a substitute!
Ez Bake's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ez Bake restored 6% of its health.
---
Magnezone used Thunderbolt.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Ez Bake!
Ez Bake's substitute faded!
Ez Bake used Thunderbolt.
It's not very effective...
Magnezone lost 21% of its health.
Ez Bake's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ez Bake restored 6% of its health.
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Ambi-Volent. switched in Purple Rain (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Magnezone used Thunderbolt.
It doesn't affect Purple Rain...
Purple Rain's leftovers restored its health a little!
Purple Rain restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Flygon.
Flygon lost 6% of its health.
Purple Rain used Roar.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Pointed stones dug into Heatran.
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
Purple Rain's leftovers restored its health a little!
Purple Rain restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Pointed stones dug into Magnezone.
Magnezone lost 6% of its health.
Purple Rain used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Magnezone lost 0% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Magnezone fainted.
Purple Rain's leftovers restored its health a little!
Purple Rain restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Pointed stones dug into Starmie.
Starmie lost 12% of its health.
Starmie used Surf.
Purple Rain lost 46% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
Purple Rain used Earthquake.
Starmie lost 56% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Starmie fainted.
Purple Rain's leftovers restored its health a little!
Purple Rain restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Flygon.
Flygon lost 6% of its health.
Flygon used Outrage.
Flygon went on a rampage!
Purple Rain lost 32% of its health.
Purple Rain used Ice Beam.
It's super effective!
Flygon lost 76% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Flygon fainted.
Purple Rain's leftovers restored its health a little!
Purple Rain restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Pointed stones dug into Heatran.
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Heatran woke up!
Heatran used Earth Power.
Purple Rain lost 23% of its health.
Ambi-Volent.'s Purple Rain fainted.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
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Ambi-Volent. switched in Fo Drizzle (lvl 100 Suicune).
Fo Drizzle is exerting its pressure!
Heatran used Toxic.
Heatran's attack missed!
Fo Drizzle used Surf.
It's super effective!
Heatran lost 19% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Heatran fainted.
Ambi-Volent. wins!
WE MISS LATIAS: gg
Ambi-Volent.: gg
Ambi-Volent. has left the room.

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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
WE MISS LATIAS sent out Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
ACDC sent out Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Metagross used Thunderpunch.
It doesn't affect Swampert...
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ACDC switched in Zapdos (lvl 100 Zapdos).
Zapdos is exerting its pressure!
Swampert used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
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Zapdos used Toxic.
Swampert was badly poisoned!
Swampert used Roar.
ACDC switched in Heracross (lvl 100 Heracross ?).
Pointed stones dug into Heracross.
Heracross lost 12% of its health.
Heracross's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heracross restored 6% of its health.
Swampert is hurt by poison!
Swampert lost 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Heracross's attack!
Heracross used Megahorn.
It's not very effective...
Salamence lost 22% of its health.
Heracross's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heracross restored 6% of its health.
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ACDC switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Pointed stones dug into Metagross.
Metagross lost 6% of its health.
Salamence used Flamethrower.
It's super effective!
Metagross lost 82% of its health.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
Metagross's leftovers restored its health a little!
Metagross restored 6% of its health.
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Metagross used Bullet Punch.
Salamence lost 25% of its health.
Salamence used Flamethrower.
It's super effective!
Metagross lost 18% of its health.
ACDC's Metagross fainted.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
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ACDC switched in Zapdos (lvl 100 Zapdos).
Zapdos is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Zapdos.
Zapdos lost 25% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Zapdos used Thunderbolt.
It doesn't affect Swampert...
Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little!
Zapdos restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert is hurt by poison!
Swampert lost 6% of its health.
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Zapdos used Heat Wave.
It's not very effective...
Swampert lost 13% of its health.
Swampert used Roar.
ACDC switched in Heracross (lvl 100 Heracross ?).
Pointed stones dug into Heracross.
Heracross lost 12% of its health.
Heracross's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heracross restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert is hurt by poison!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
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Heracross used Substitute.
Heracross lost 25% of its health.
Heracross made a substitute!
Swampert used Roar.
ACDC switched in Zapdos (lvl 100 Zapdos).
Zapdos is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Zapdos.
Zapdos lost 25% of its health.
Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little!
Zapdos restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert is hurt by poison!
Swampert lost 19% of its health.
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Zapdos used Roost.
Zapdos restored 38% of its health.
Swampert used Ice Beam.
Zapdos lost 19% of its health.
Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little!
Zapdos restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert is hurt by poison!
Swampert lost 25% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Zapdos used Heat Wave.
It's not very effective...
Flygon lost 18% of its health.
Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little!
Zapdos restored 6% of its health.
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Flygon used Stone Edge.
It's super effective!
Zapdos lost 43% of its health.
Zapdos used Toxic.
Flygon was badly poisoned!
Flygon is hurt by poison!
Flygon lost 6% of its health.
Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little!
Zapdos restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Zapdos used Roost.
Zapdos restored 44% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert is hurt by poison!
Swampert lost 6% of its health.
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Zapdos used Heat Wave.
It's not very effective...
Swampert lost 13% of its health.
Swampert used Roar.
ACDC switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Swampert's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Salamence.
Salamence lost 25% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert is hurt by poison!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
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Salamence used Draco Meteor.
Swampert lost 24% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Swampert fainted.
Salamence's special attack was harshly lowered.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
ACDC switched in Snorlax (lvl 100 Snorlax ?).
Pointed stones dug into Snorlax.
Snorlax lost 12% of its health.
Starmie used Ice Beam.
Snorlax lost 11% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
Snorlax's leftovers restored its health a little!
Snorlax restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Snorlax's attack!
Snorlax used Curse.
Snorlax's speed was lowered.
Snorlax's attack was raised.
Snorlax's defence was raised.
Snorlax's leftovers restored its health a little!
Snorlax restored 6% of its health.
---
Salamence used Outrage.
Salamence went on a rampage!
Snorlax lost 42% of its health.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
Snorlax used Ice Punch.
It's super effective!
Salamence lost 24% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Salamence fainted.
Snorlax's leftovers restored its health a little!
Snorlax restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Magnezone used Explosion.
Snorlax lost 38% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Magnezone fainted.
Snorlax used Earthquake.
But there was no target!
Snorlax's leftovers restored its health a little!
Snorlax restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Starmie used Surf.
Snorlax lost 22% of its health.
ACDC's Snorlax fainted.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
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ACDC switched in Zapdos (lvl 100 Zapdos).
Zapdos is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Zapdos.
Zapdos lost 25% of its health.
Starmie used Ice Beam.
It's super effective!
Zapdos lost 68% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
Zapdos used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
Starmie lost 70% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Starmie fainted.
Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little!
Zapdos restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Heatran used Earth Power.
It doesn't affect Zapdos...
Zapdos used Roost.
Zapdos restored 50% of its health.
Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little!
Zapdos restored 6% of its health.
---
Heatran used Toxic.
Zapdos was badly poisoned!
Zapdos used Thunderbolt.
Heatran lost 41% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little!
Zapdos restored 6% of its health.
Zapdos is hurt by poison!
Zapdos lost 6% of its health.
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Heatran used Flamethrower.
Zapdos lost 49% of its health.
Zapdos used Thunderbolt.
Heatran lost 42% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little!
Zapdos restored 6% of its health.
Zapdos is hurt by poison!
Zapdos lost 12% of its health.
---
Heatran used Flamethrower.
Zapdos lost 14% of its health.
ACDC's Zapdos fainted.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
---
ACDC switched in Heracross (lvl 100 Heracross ?).
Pointed stones dug into Heracross.
Heracross lost 12% of its health.
Heatran used Flamethrower.
It's super effective!
Heracross lost 56% of its health.
ACDC's Heracross fainted.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
---
ACDC switched in Porygonz (lvl 100 Porygonz).
Pointed stones dug into Porygonz.
Porygonz lost 12% of its health.
Porygonz used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
Heatran lost 42% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Heatran fainted.
Porygonz's leftovers restored its health a little!
Porygonz restored 6% of its health.
---
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Flygon used Outrage.
Flygon went on a rampage!
Porygonz lost 77% of its health.
Porygonz used Tri Attack.
Flygon lost 76% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Flygon fainted.
ACDC wins!
WE MISS LATIAS: gg

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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
WE MISS LATIAS sent out Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
hyperJeremy sent out Ninjask (lvl 100 Ninjask ?).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Ninjask used Protect.
Ninjask protected itself!
Ninjask's Speed Boost raised its speed!
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Ninjask used Substitute.
Ninjask lost 25% of its health.
Ninjask made a substitute!
Swampert used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
Ninjask's Speed Boost raised its speed!
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Ninjask used Protect.
Ninjask protected itself!
Swampert used Ice Beam.
Ninjask protected itself!
Ninjask's Speed Boost raised its speed!
---
Ninjask used Baton Pass.
hyperJeremy switched in Vaporeon (lvl 100 Vaporeon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Vaporeon.
Vaporeon lost 12% of its health.
Swampert used Roar.
hyperJeremy switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Pointed stones dug into Metagross.
Metagross lost 6% of its health.
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hyperJeremy switched in Vaporeon (lvl 100 Vaporeon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Vaporeon.
Vaporeon lost 12% of its health.
Swampert used Earthquake.
Vaporeon lost 38% of its health.
Vaporeon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Vaporeon restored 6% of its health.
---
Vaporeon used Wish.
Vaporeon made a wish!
Swampert used Roar.
hyperJeremy switched in Gliscor (lvl 100 Gliscor ?).
Pointed stones dug into Gliscor.
Gliscor lost 12% of its health.
Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
---
Gliscor used Taunt.
Swampert fell for the taunt!
Swampert used Ice Beam.
It's super effective!
Gliscor lost 94% of its health.
hyperJeremy's Gliscor fainted.
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hyperJeremy switched in Ninjask (lvl 100 Ninjask ?).
Pointed stones dug into Ninjask.
Ninjask lost 50% of its health.
Ninjask used Substitute.
Ninjask lost 25% of its health.
Ninjask made a substitute!
Swampert used Ice Beam.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Ninjask!
Ninjask's substitute faded!
Ninjask's Liechi Berry raised its attack!
Ninjask's Speed Boost raised its speed!
---
Taunt prohibits the use of this move.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Ninjask used Protect.
Ninjask protected itself!
Ninjask's Speed Boost raised its speed!
---
Ninjask used Baton Pass.
hyperJeremy switched in Vaporeon (lvl 100 Vaporeon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Vaporeon.
Vaporeon lost 12% of its health.
Flygon used U-turn.
Vaporeon lost 20% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Vaporeon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Vaporeon restored 6% of its health.
---
Vaporeon used Baton Pass.
hyperJeremy switched in Scizor (lvl 100 Scizor ?).
Pointed stones dug into Scizor.
Scizor lost 12% of its health.
Swampert used Earthquake.
Scizor lost 37% of its health.
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Scizor used Baton Pass.
hyperJeremy switched in Tyranitar (lvl 100 Tyranitar ?).
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
A sandstorm brewed!
Pointed stones dug into Tyranitar.
Tyranitar lost 12% of its health.
Swampert used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 63% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
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Tyranitar used Crunch.
Swampert lost 63% of its health.
Swampert's defence was lowered.
Tyranitar lost 10% of its health.
Swampert used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 15% of its health.
hyperJeremy's Tyranitar fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
---
hyperJeremy has left the room.
WE MISS LATIAS wins!

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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
LordNexxt sent out Azelf (lvl 100 Azelf).
WE MISS LATIAS sent out Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Azelf used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
Starmie used Surf.
Azelf lost 100% of its health.
LordNexxt's Azelf fainted.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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LordNexxt switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Ludicolo used Swords Dance.
Ludicolo's attack was sharply raised.
Starmie used Ice Beam.
Ludicolo lost 41% of its health.
Ludicolo was frozen solid!
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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WE MISS LATIAS: sorry
Ludicolo is frozen solid!
Starmie used Ice Beam.
Ludicolo lost 41% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Ludicolo is frozen solid!
Starmie used Ice Beam.
Ludicolo lost 18% of its health.
LordNexxt's Ludicolo fainted.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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LordNexxt switched in Kingdra (lvl 100 Kingdra ?).
Kingdra used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
Starmie lost 60% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Starmie fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Kingdra used Ice Beam.
It's not very effective...
Magnezone lost 19% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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Kingdra used Surf.
Magnezone lost 81% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Magnezone fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Kingdra used Surf.
Swampert lost 62% of its health.
Swampert used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
The rain stopped.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
---
Kingdra used Rain Dance.
Rain began to fall!
Swampert used Earthquake.
Kingdra lost 41% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
---
Kingdra used Surf.
Swampert lost 51% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Swampert fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Kingdra used Surf.
It's super effective!
Heatran lost 100% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Heatran fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Kingdra used Surf.
Flygon lost 88% of its health.
Flygon used Outrage.
Flygon went on a rampage!
It's super effective!
Kingdra lost 59% of its health.
LordNexxt's Kingdra fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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LordNexxt switched in Scizor (lvl 100 Scizor ?).
Pointed stones dug into Scizor.
Scizor lost 12% of its health.
Scizor used Bullet Punch.
Flygon lost 12% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Flygon fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Scizor's attack!
LordNexxt switched in Roserade (lvl 100 Roserade ?).
Pointed stones dug into Roserade.
Roserade lost 12% of its health.
Salamence used Dragon Dance.
Salamence's attack was raised.
Salamence's speed was raised.
The rain continues to fall.
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Salamence used Earthquake.
Roserade lost 88% of its health.
LordNexxt's Roserade fainted.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
LordNexxt switched in Qwilfish (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
Pointed stones dug into Qwilfish.
Qwilfish lost 12% of its health.
Qwilfish used Explosion.
Salamence lost 90% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Salamence fainted.
LordNexxt wins!
LordNexxt: gg
WE MISS LATIAS: gg

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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
WE MISS LATIAS sent out Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
juavbobitop sent out Shedinja (lvl 100 Shedinja).
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Shedinja used X-Scissor.
It's not very effective...
Heatran lost 9% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
---
Shedinja used Protect.
Shedinja protected itself!
Heatran used Toxic.
Shedinja protected itself!
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 3% of its health.
---
juavbobitop switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Heatran used Substitute.
Heatran lost 25% of its health.
Heatran made a substitute!
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
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Flygon used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Heatran!
Heatran's substitute faded!
Heatran used Toxic.
Flygon was badly poisoned!
Flygon is hurt by poison!
Flygon lost 6% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
---
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Flygon's attack!
Flygon used Earthquake.
It doesn't affect Salamence...
Flygon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Flygon restored 6% of its health.
Flygon is hurt by poison!
Flygon lost 12% of its health.
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Salamence used Flamethrower.
It's not very effective...
Flygon lost 22% of its health.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
Flygon used Draco Meteor.
It's super effective!
Salamence lost 90% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Salamence fainted.
Flygon's special attack was harshly lowered.
Flygon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Flygon restored 6% of its health.
Flygon is hurt by poison!
Flygon lost 18% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS: lol nice
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
juavbobitop: :)
Flygon used U-turn.
Swampert lost 9% of its health.
juavbobitop switched in Tangrowth (lvl 100 Tangrowth ?).
Swampert used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Tangrowth used Leech Seed.
Heatran was seeded!
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
Heatran's health was sapped by leech seed!
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Tangrowth regained health!
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juavbobitop switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Pointed stones dug into Swampert.
Swampert lost 6% of its health.
Heatran used Flamethrower.
It's not very effective...
Swampert lost 23% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
Heatran's health was sapped by leech seed!
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Swampert regained health!
Swampert restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Swampert used Earthquake.
A critical hit!
Swampert lost 70% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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Swampert used Waterfall.
Swampert lost 27% of its health.
Swampert used Earthquake.
Swampert lost 38% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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Swampert used Waterfall.
Swampert lost 13% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Swampert fainted.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
juavbobitop switched in Shedinja (lvl 100 Shedinja).
Pointed stones dug into Shedinja.
Shedinja lost 100% of its health.
juavbobitop's Shedinja fainted.
Starmie used Surf.
But there was no target!
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juavbobitop: oops XD
juavbobitop switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Pointed stones dug into Swampert.
Swampert lost 6% of its health.
Starmie used Surf.
Swampert lost 45% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
Swampert used Earthquake.
Starmie lost 83% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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Starmie used Surf.
Swampert lost 25% of its health.
juavbobitop's Swampert fainted.
Starmie lost 7% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Starmie fainted.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
juavbobitop switched in Tangrowth (lvl 100 Tangrowth ?).
Pointed stones dug into Tangrowth.
Tangrowth lost 12% of its health.
Flygon used U-turn.
It's super effective!
Tangrowth lost 23% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Tangrowth used Leech Seed.
Heatran was seeded!
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
Heatran's health was sapped by leech seed!
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Tangrowth regained health!
Tangrowth restored 12% of its health.
Tangrowth's leftovers restored its health a little!
Tangrowth restored 6% of its health.
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juavbobitop switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Flygon.
Flygon lost 6% of its health.
Heatran used Flamethrower.
It's not very effective...
Flygon lost 35% of its health.
Flygon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Flygon restored 6% of its health.
Flygon is hurt by poison!
Flygon lost 6% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
Heatran's health was sapped by leech seed!
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Flygon regained health!
Flygon restored 13% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Flygon makes ground moves miss with Levitate!
Flygon used Earthquake.
Flygon's attack missed!
Flygon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Flygon restored 6% of its health.
Flygon is hurt by poison!
Flygon lost 12% of its health.
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Flygon used U-turn.
Flygon lost 20% of its health.
juavbobitop's Flygon fainted.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
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juavbobitop switched in Machamp (lvl 100 Machamp ?).
Pointed stones dug into Machamp.
Machamp lost 6% of its health.
Heatran used Flamethrower.
Machamp lost 43% of its health.
Machamp used Dynamicpunch.
It's super effective!
Heatran lost 69% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Heatran fainted.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Magnezone used Flash Cannon.
Machamp lost 37% of its health.
Machamp used Dynamicpunch.
It's super effective!
Magnezone lost 100% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Magnezone fainted.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Flygon used Outrage.
Flygon went on a rampage!
Machamp lost 15% of its health.
juavbobitop's Machamp fainted.
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juavbobitop switched in Tangrowth (lvl 100 Tangrowth ?).
Pointed stones dug into Tangrowth.
Tangrowth lost 12% of its health.
Flygon used Outrage.
Tangrowth lost 35% of its health.
Tangrowth used Leech Seed.
Flygon was seeded!
Flygon's rampage ended.
Flygon became confused!
Flygon's health was sapped by leech seed!
Flygon lost 12% of its health.
Tangrowth regained health!
Tangrowth restored 11% of its health.
Tangrowth's leftovers restored its health a little!
Tangrowth restored 6% of its health.
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Flygon is confused!
Flygon used Outrage.
Flygon went on a rampage!
Tangrowth lost 34% of its health.
Tangrowth used Knock Off.
Flygon lost 7% of its health.
Tangrowth knocked off foe Flygon's Choice Scarf!
Flygon's health was sapped by leech seed!
Flygon lost 12% of its health.
Tangrowth regained health!
Tangrowth restored 11% of its health.
Tangrowth's leftovers restored its health a little!
Tangrowth restored 6% of its health.
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Flygon is confused!
It hurt itself in its confusion!
Flygon lost 16% of its health.
Tangrowth used Ingrain.
Tangrowth planted its roots!
Flygon's health was sapped by leech seed!
Flygon lost 12% of its health.
Tangrowth regained health!
Tangrowth restored 11% of its health.
Tangrowth's leftovers restored its health a little!
Tangrowth restored 6% of its health.
Tangrowth absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Tangrowth restored 6% of its health.
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Flygon snapped out of confusion!
Flygon used Outrage.
A critical hit!
Tangrowth lost 58% of its health.
juavbobitop's Tangrowth fainted.
Flygon's rampage ended.
Flygon became confused!
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juavbobitop switched in Typhlosion (lvl 100 Typhlosion ?).
Pointed stones dug into Typhlosion.
Typhlosion lost 25% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS: sorry
juavbobitop: so close to the combo XD
Flygon is confused!
It hurt itself in its confusion!
Flygon lost 16% of its health.
Typhlosion used Smokescreen.
Flygon's accuracy was lowered.
Flygon's health was sapped by leech seed!
Flygon lost 12% of its health.
Typhlosion regained health!
Typhlosion restored 12% of its health.
Typhlosion's leftovers restored its health a little!
Typhlosion restored 6% of its health.
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Flygon is confused!
Flygon used Earthquake.
Flygon's attack missed!
Typhlosion used Flamethrower.
It's not very effective...
Flygon lost 13% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Flygon fainted.
juavbobitop wins!
WE MISS LATIAS: gg

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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
thebiglaa sent out Hulk (lvl 100 Machamp ?).
WE MISS LATIAS sent out Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Starmie used Surf.
Hulk lost 57% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
Hulk used Payback.
It's super effective!
Starmie lost 90% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Starmie fainted.
Hulk's leftovers restored its health a little!
Hulk restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Hulk used Dynamicpunch.
Swampert lost 37% of its health.
Swampert became confused!
Swampert is confused!
It hurt itself in its confusion!
Swampert lost 6% of its health.
Hulk's leftovers restored its health a little!
Hulk restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
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Hulk used Dynamicpunch.
A critical hit!
Swampert lost 63% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Swampert fainted.
Hulk's leftovers restored its health a little!
Hulk restored 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Hulk's attack!
Salamence used Outrage.
Salamence went on a rampage!
Hulk lost 61% of its health.
thebiglaa's Hulk fainted.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
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thebiglaa switched in Scizor (lvl 100 Scizor ?).
Scizor used Bullet Punch.
Salamence lost 60% of its health.
Salamence used Outrage.
It's not very effective...
Scizor lost 46% of its health.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
Salamence's rampage ended.
Salamence became confused!
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Scizor used Bullet Punch.
It's not very effective...
Heatran lost 12% of its health.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
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thebiglaa switched in Shuckle (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Heatran used Substitute.
Heatran lost 25% of its health.
Heatran made a substitute!
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
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Heatran used Toxic.
Shuckle was badly poisoned!
Shuckle used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Heatran!
Heatran's substitute faded!
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
Shuckle is hurt by poison!
Shuckle lost 6% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Shuckle used Seismic Toss.
Magnezone lost 35% of its health.
Shuckle's leftovers restored its health a little!
Shuckle restored 6% of its health.
Shuckle is hurt by poison!
Shuckle lost 12% of its health.
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Magnezone used Thunderbolt.
Shuckle lost 19% of its health.
Shuckle used Seismic Toss.
Magnezone lost 35% of its health.
Shuckle's leftovers restored its health a little!
Shuckle restored 6% of its health.
Shuckle is hurt by poison!
Shuckle lost 18% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Shuckle used Seismic Toss.
Flygon lost 33% of its health.
Shuckle's leftovers restored its health a little!
Shuckle restored 6% of its health.
Shuckle is hurt by poison!
Shuckle lost 25% of its health.
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thebiglaa switched in Tyranitar (lvl 100 Skarmory ?).
Flygon used U-turn.
It's not very effective...
Tyranitar lost 3% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
Tyranitar's leftovers restored its health a little!
Tyranitar restored 3% of its health.
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Heatran used Flamethrower.
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 100% of its health.
thebiglaa's Tyranitar fainted.
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
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thebiglaa switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's Intimidate cut Heatran's attack!
WE MISS LATIAS switched in Magnezone (lvl 100 Magnezone).
Salamence used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Magnezone lost 29% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Magnezone fainted.
Salamence lost 10% of its health.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Flygon used Outrage.
Flygon went on a rampage!
It's super effective!
Salamence lost 90% of its health.
thebiglaa's Salamence fainted.
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thebiglaa switched in Scizor (lvl 100 Scizor ?).
Scizor used Bullet Punch.
Flygon lost 67% of its health.
WE MISS LATIAS's Flygon fainted.
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WE MISS LATIAS switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
thebiglaa switched in Shuckle (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Heatran used Flamethrower.
Shuckle lost 18% of its health.
Shuckle was burned!
Heatran's leftovers restored its health a little!
Heatran restored 6% of its health.
Shuckle's leftovers restored its health a little!
Shuckle restored 6% of its health.
Shuckle was hurt by its burn!
Shuckle lost 12% of its health.
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thebiglaa switched in Scizor (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Heatran used Flamethrower.
Scizor's Flash Fire raised its fire power!
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Heatran used Earth Power.
It's super effective!
Scizor lost 100% of its health.
thebiglaa's Scizor fainted.
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thebiglaa switched in Shuckle (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Heatran used Flamethrower.
Shuckle lost 14% of its health.
thebiglaa's Shuckle fainted.
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thebiglaa has left the room.
WE MISS LATIAS wins!