I'd actually like to see more moves that have a secondary effect as lowering Attack or Special Attack. It would be definitely interesting to use, and would fit on both wall and sweeper sets. Going with the normal type theme, maybe a Normal-typed Psychic that lowers SpA by one stage? You could run that on a Porygon2, for example, and have it take special hits better by lowering the opponent's stats instead of boosting up.
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WOW 5TH GENERATION TALK! I didn't know smogon had this, OK everyone, I want everyones personal guess on this one, what will be the type of the new big 600 base stat pokemon. example:dragonite, mew. 1st gen, tyranitar, celebi. 2nd gen, metagross, salamence, latios, latias, deoxyes, jirachi. 3rd gen, garchomp, cressilia, heatran, darkrai, manaphy, shaymin. 4th gen, Zoroark might be 600 base stat and zorua 480 base stat(like manaphy and phione). If so, she'll be the 3rd dark uber( alongside tyranitar,and darkrai). I'm hoping that the'll make a bug, poison, or ice uber. or a thunder type uber(the rarest type in the game). with water type pokemon representing about half of the 493 pokemon, it would be devastating to make an electric type 600 base stat pokemon that can be usable!
Hyper Voice is so limited. Then again, I guess it's a pretty specific theme. And Tri Attack is also basically limited to Pokemon with a 3 theme and... Porygon, LOL.
Can't imagine a normal Fire Blast... I honestly can't imagine a Normal-type special move at all, which is probably why Gamefreak has so few and why the vast majority are gimmick moves (or change their type, LOLHidden Powder, Judgement, Weather Ball) for specific Pokemon.
EDIT: Apparently Fearow has Tri Attack too for some reason... okay.
@kurai
That's true! Secondary move effects usualy cause burn,poison,etc. it woud be cool to make more moves with mist ball and luster purge effects. Another funny thing, they could make a low accuracy move that causes instant freeze,kinda like sleep powder and will-o-wisp! Imagine how cooool that would be!
That's true! Secondary move effects usualy cause burn,poison,etc. it woud be cool to make more moves with mist ball and luster purge effects. Another funny thing, they could make a low accuracy move that causes instant freeze,kinda like sleep powder and will-o-wisp! Imagine how cooool that would be!
Pretty much every other RPG on the market has the standard fare magic attack. It is just a beam of energy but it's not elemental with fire, ice, shock, etc, effects. It's really not that hard to imagine in a Pokemon game, is it?
But isn't that what Hyper Beam is? I guess that doesn't necessarily mean we can't have another, though.
Isnt that tri attack?
Yeah, I forgot about that. Thematically speaking, it doesn't have to end there. Normal-types can represent a wide array of things depending on their design.
Tri-Attack is a combination of all three elements (ice, electric, fire), this move would be more like pure energy. I suppose Hyper Beam already covers that, though.
Hmmmm. Normal attacks eh? well most of them are phisical, and yea, I only use tri attack with serene grace togekiss(very devastating and rare!). but other than that, normal type attacks aren't used a lot because no other type has weakness to it, only resistant. however, a pokemon being mixid with normal type can be awesome. Ahhh! Imagine a Ghost/normal type pokemon! one dark weakness. now that would make a good endurance type.(possibly snorlaxes next evolution type,meh he he he!)
Basically, we mean Hyper Beam with a lower Base Power and no recharge-turn drawbacks. We want a viable special Normal-type move outside of Tri Attack, which gets horrible distribution as it is. And the only thing Hyper Beam is even remotely viable on is that one Porygon-Z set, but it can't even OHKO Blissey without pre-existing damage.
that causes instant freeze
That's kind of broken, tbqh.
that causes instant freeze
That's kind of broken, tbqh.
@Kurai
I see what you mean, like a power between 95-120 special normal attack. Hyper beam is best for porygon-z(kinda like horn drill if it's ability is adaptability) I sometimes use hyper beam with modest blissey for a surprise Ko LoL!
I see what you mean, like a power between 95-120 special normal attack. Hyper beam is best for porygon-z(kinda like horn drill if it's ability is adaptability) I sometimes use hyper beam with modest blissey for a surprise Ko LoL!
I just can't think of anything that could be Normal-type AND Special besides a beam like Hyper Beam. Though, again, just because Hyper Beam exists doesn't we can't get a smaller version of it for general use.
I'm not going to take the time to read the entire thing, but what would be really awesome would be a field effect moveset separate from the actual battling moveset. Your pokemon would be able to learn 4 moves with field effects (Dig, Fly, Sweet Scent, Headbutt, etc.) that could not be used in battle but could be used HM-style.
Then, separate from this would be your actual moveset that you use for battling. If you wish, you may put HM moves (Surf is a very viable move competitively), but you wouldn't be able to use them in the field if you were to put it only in the battling moveset.
Yay/Nay?
Then, separate from this would be your actual moveset that you use for battling. If you wish, you may put HM moves (Surf is a very viable move competitively), but you wouldn't be able to use them in the field if you were to put it only in the battling moveset.
Yay/Nay?
Hmm.. That's a interesting idea, however I doubt the likely-ness that pokemon will do this.. Still intersting thoerymoning..
(Sorry if pokemon actually is doing this I don't want to read through the whole thread)
@Bearsfan092
Good suggestion! It would keep me from using GTS mews as Hm move warriors.
Good suggestion! It would keep me from using GTS mews as Hm move warriors.
I just wanted to say that IMO a pseudo-legend is any pokemon with 600 BST that isn't an actual legend (Slaking doesn't count due to Traunt). In Meta's defense, all 5 middle evos have a BST of 420 except Gible with 410 and all 5 first evos have a BST of 300.
Has anyone else been thinking of awsome names for attacks? Sometimes I get a name without an effect and it just sticks in my head.
Burst Stream
Flash Shot
Fire Cracker
Cosmic Pressure
Razor Fin
Breach(like a whale)
Twisted Look
Urgh... I should stop before it gets out of hand...
Burst Stream
Flash Shot
Fire Cracker
Cosmic Pressure
Razor Fin
Breach(like a whale)
Twisted Look
Urgh... I should stop before it gets out of hand...
Well, I don't think anything will get Volt Tackle other than the Pikachu line and can you honestly see Alakazam using Volt Tackle? How did people find that anyway?
How in the world could Infernape and Alakazam learn Volt Tackle in reality? I'm sure there's other weird tidbits like that in the coding, but they probably don't mean anything.
Special Normal: ...Why not a "Rainbow" attack that's basically a base 100 Tri-Attack with more possible effects?
Granted, Togekiss would drool for it, but hey, more love for Ho-Oh.
Granted, Togekiss would drool for it, but hey, more love for Ho-Oh.
Hyper Voice's spread is fine IMO and yes we know about that, many people speculated that in HGSS those Pokemon would get it.
No, it isn't.
That was found through a hack that changed TM01 into Volt Tackle. However, the game's coding does not search for the ability to learn Volt Tackle, it searches for the ability to learn TM01, whatever the move is. It was later discovered that every Pokemon the hacker claimed to be able to get Volt Tackle could also learn Focus Punch (the real TM01), and vice versa.
(I can't believe I still remember this...)
Wooh tyranitar the new Uber! Zoroak won't be a 600 BST since it only has 1 prevo. although, the fact that it is event only makes me wonder if it's legendary in a manaphy - esque way...anyway, BST doesn't automatically mean Uber. In fact, unless zoroak has darkrie's stats but physical, it's gonna be so outclassed in ubers.
Zoroak is most likely the newest Lucario/Arcanine monster of 5th Gen. I'd bet there are lots of others who agree with me.
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