Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

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With this ability I believe the Lead Metagame as it were is going to be changed tenfold. Azelf's days may very well be numbered especially if Zoroark is able to out speed and kill it without Azelf even knowing what it was. You could use any number of tactics with this, Pursuit with a Pokemon that normal leads fear sounds awesome to me even if Zoroark doesn't key off on Attack as well. This single ability could very well change quite a few things in the Metagame, strategy just got a kicked up a notch.
 
I can see it now, you'd have to predict on almost every pokemon sent out whether or not it was zoroark or not since (without a doubt) every team would have one. Zoroark would probably become staple to every Ou team out there. Even in Zoroark got bumped up to ubers Zorua is still confusing enough to cause some mind games with trickery (you can use your opponents stats with it) if Zorua gets to stay in Ou
 
Alright so I made another path with the clearer image of Isshu. Any clue what that thing at the top left is?

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I forgot about Intimidate not activating for Zoroark. You also wouldn't want to copy something with Pressure or Mold Breaker either. Also, in Wi-Fi atleast, you might look suspicious if you have a legendary Pokemon in a Poke Ball because you bred your Zoroark.
 
The possibilities with Zoroark are endless, which is why I'm guessing he'll be banished to Ubers. We'll obviously have to wait and see, but it seems pretty damn unpredictable (and that's not considering movepool or stats).
 
MegaMewtwo said:
With my knowledge of Orochi, which is purely from watching my sister play Okami (and one Digimon episode, there's an Orochimon, no joke) I imagine it'd have a pretty wide movepool (which for people who don't know can be explained as the general trend for dragons to learn a lot of stuff).

And a detrimental "Drunk" ability, like if it's confused it'll always hit itself or something. Not that Nintendo would allow that kind of thing in a Pokemon game, or indeed any of their big franchises. I only know of two games on Nintendo consoles to mention drunkenness: Conker and the Wii port of Okami.

Also, sky-high everything except Speed? Say hello to a staple in Trick Room teams.
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Well, first i´d like to say that you should really play it, it´s my favorite game and one of the best games I ever played. Try it!

And i was about to say the movepool thing, but i only saw the one-"element"-per head-thing in okami and i dont think theyre going to base it on the okami-orochi.

The ability was also in my mind, but i wanted an ability that isnt self-hindering.
 
I'm curious as to what happens with nicknames on either Zoroark or the ally.

On a different note, I can see some serious trolling potential with Zoroark teaming up with Toxicroak. Seeing a Toxicroak would likely prompt a Psychic type to try to melt its brain. Fire off a Sucker Punch (Zoroark looks like it could use it) and either you'll score a free turn as Zoroark's all like "lol I'm dark", or the Sucker Punch would fail and the opponent's non-damaging move won't give you away (unless they're retarded and try to poison a Toxicroak) or the Sucker Punch will take it out, and if it's something that would normally survive a Toxicroak Sucker Punch, they'll probably think it's some kind of CB Toxicroak (when it was actually STAB) and make their next choice accordingly. Just make sure that the conditions don't tip off that it doesn't have Anticipation or Dry Skin.

Also, the sheer comedy factor of having it look like a Magikarp while owning stuff.

G.I.R. said:
Well, first i´d like to say that you should really play it, it´s my favorite game and one of the best games I ever played. Try it!
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Well, I watched pretty much the whole game being played so I wouldn't get the same impact from the story as a first-time player would. So if the story's the main draw, then I've pretty much gotten that covered already.

Okami spoiler:
BTW, my sister got really emotional during the "everything seems hopeless, everyone cheers you on" part of the final boss fight.

lol, best mini-derail ever.
 
Emperor said:
@DDRMaster

That place you question marked, that's the honey place they showed if you didn't know.

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That's weird, the only reason that I could think that it would be all the way up there is that we're getting a Bug-type legendary. Anyone know what the rest of the places labeled with numbers are?
 
A Bug-type legend would be cool. As long as it's not Bug/Steel. 0_o
But as to Zoroark, the ability seems overpowered. This is what I am imagining:

Sent out Zoroark(disguised as Salamence)
P2 sent out Weavile. Zoroark used Swords Dance/Agility (hell, it will probably get Dragon Dance).
Zoroark uses a super effective move!
Weavile used Ice Shard! (doesn't take off much damage).
Zorork uses a super effective move! Weavile faints.

Then if they send in something to counter it, you can just switch again. Then repeat.


I know it's way too early to say it's overpowered. This is just hypothetical obviously.
 
Master Of Puppets said:
But as to Zoroark, the ability seems overpowered. This is what I am imagining:

Sent out Zoroark(disguised as Salamence)
P2 sent out Weavile. Zoroark used Swords Dance/Agility (hell, it will probably get Dragon Dance).
Zoroark uses a super effective move!
Weavile used Ice Shard! (doesn't take off much damage).
Zorork uses a super effective move! Weavile faints.

Then if they send in something to counter it, you can just switch again. Then repeat.


I know it's way too early to say it's overpowered. This is just hypothetical.
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Won't work since you can't copy intimidate :P but yeah overpowered anyway.
 
Scizor + Zoroark seems like the best combination, both of which will likely have Pursuit in common. Also, Stealth Rock is a big give away. Pokemon like Salamence can't (well can, but not to great effect) be used because it takes 25% from Stealth Rock and has Intimidate, while a disguised Zoroark will take 12.5% and won't Intimidate. Same goes for bluffing a Lucario.
 
I calculated Zorua's base stats (assuming no EVs and ranging from 31 IVs to 0 IVs):

HP: 34.5 - 50
Atk: 49.5 - 65
Def: 65.1 - 80.6
SpA: 68.6 - 84.1
SpD: 34.5 - 50
Spd: 34.5 - 50
BST: 286.7 - 379.7

It seems to be stronger than Riolu (who has a BST of 285).

This is my random guess:
HP: 40
Atk: 60
Def: 70
SpA: 75
SpD: 40
Spd: 40
BST: 325

Also, I don't understand Illusion (or Encourage for that matter). If it copies the second Pokemon in the party, but Jigglypuff would be the first Pokemon (using Serebii's example), then why would Zoroark copy Jigglypuff? I'm confused @_@.

EDIT: Thank you Serebii for getting the stats wrong >_>. Zorua is:
HP: 30
Atk: 18
Def: 12
SpA: 24
SpD: 15
Spd: 18

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Now I have to recalculate the stats, <_<.

Here are the correct base stats:

HP: 34.5 - 50
Atk: 49.5 - 65
Def: 26.2 - 41.7
SpA: 68.6 - 84.1
SpD: 34.5 - 50
Spd: 49.5 - 65
BST: 262.8 - 355.8

Here's what I guess (randomly):
HP: 40
Atk: 50
Def: 35
SpA: 70
SpD: 40
Spd: 50
BST: 285
 
Master Of Puppets said:
A Bug-type legend would be cool. As long as it's not Bug/Steel. 0_o
But as to Zoroark, the ability seems overpowered. This is what I am imagining:

Sent out Zoroark(disguised as Salamence)
P2 sent out Weavile. Zoroark used Swords Dance/Agility (hell, it will probably get Dragon Dance).
Zoroark uses a super effective move!
Weavile used Ice Shard! (doesn't take off much damage).
Zorork uses a super effective move! Weavile faints.

Then if they send in something to counter it, you can just switch again. Then repeat.

*EDIT* Ninja'd by Emperor.


I know it's way too early to say it's overpowered. This is just hypothetical obviously.
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As others have said most likely it wont take ability so once the switch in and doesnt see Intimidate your cover is blown.
 
Actually, Forretress + Zoroark sounds pretty damn good. Nobody ever uses OHKO moves anyways, so Forretress's ability won't be exposed. Something like Rotom-A may switch in expecting a Rapid Spin, but then as a Zoroark you can nail them with a STAB Night Slash (or Crunch). If that doesn't kill it, then you can finish them with Pursuit.

EDIT: nvm :P
 
since game freak likes to "balance" things (yeah, garchomp says hi ¬¬) probably will be a poke whose ability may see through the illusion zoroark, or maybe moves like foresight, odor sleuth ant etc can break zoroark illusion , not that it gonna be competitive viable anyways...
or we can just use pory 2's trace again in OU for the win ^^
 
DDRMaster said:
Well it certainly needs more SpAtk so Taunters don't screw it over. I guess you could go with 80 Base SpAtk and more bulk if you wanted it to be a fast supporter.

That Mawhile evo looks great. I think it looks fine as a humanoid because it's supposed to be based on a woman with a mouth on the back of her head.

So I've been doing a Poison only run of Leaf Green and I realized that I really like the puzzles in it. For example, it's the only game (besides RBY) that has switches that you need to put rocks on and fast currents that you can't Surf on. There's also a point where you have to push a rock to choose which item you want and you can only get one item without resetting the rock.

So I'm hoping they they put some Strength puzzles that involve switches and pushing boulders down holes and I want to see some sort of extremely hard Strength puzzle involving 30 some rocks that takes me more than a few seconds to figure it out. It would probably have to be an extra thing so the kids don't complain, but even if it had something fairly worthless (like a Full Restore) I would still want to do it.
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hey, if you like strength puzzles you should check out this iphone app called boxed-in, it's basicallyan exact copy of strength puzzles, complete with switches, and its pretty hard
 
I'm wondering what creative ways illusion will be used. Will people design their teams full of different pokemon for zoroak to transform into?
Remember that zoroak basically turns into the pokemon you have out. If you have scizor out, you will switch to scizor. Won't the opponet wonder why you didn't do anything that turn? Seems useless with species clause
 
Unless Stealth Rock gets nerfed or removed, Zoroark will be able to only bluff Pokemon with no revealing abilities, and takes the same damage from stealth rock. Zoroark and Swords Dance Scizor can actually become a good combination. (Zoroark taking out Scizors counters like Rotom, possibly Heatran if it gets Close Combat).

Zoroark will also have potential as a lead killer
 
Prediction:

Zoroark leads will be a major fad for a bit and then die down as certain secondary Illusion Pokemon become predictable, then become relegated to a mid-game sweeper as part of the team is unrevealed during that portion of the game.

If it shares moves with the secondary Illusion Pokemon it can be an even better mindgame. I'd like to see Swords Dance and put him in Ubers against Specs Mewtwo or something and keep Illusion on something common but severely weak to Psychic, perhaps a fighting type. Mewtwo Psychics, no effect, big wtf as Zoroark boosts his attacks and KOs whatever switches in. I see Zoroark as becoming a very fun Pokemon.
 
do we know what breaks the illusion yet? if stealth rock breaks the illusion, how would that effect the usefulness of this ability? would probably make the ability much less useful if not used as a lead.
 
420 said:
hey, if you like strength puzzles you should check out this iphone app called boxed-in, it's basicallyan exact copy of strength puzzles, complete with switches, and its pretty hard
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One problem, I don't have an i-anything so that doesn't really help me. It looks interesting, though.

Urza said:
anyone else think the place marked with a 5 on the map looks like an airport?
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I already said that when I posted my redrawn path for Isshu a page back.
 
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