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Ice-eyes said:
Max/Max Impish Donphan simply can't do enough damage to Spinblockers.
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If you pair it with the right pokemon this doesn't matter. It's still doing pretty good damage to Spiritomb, enough to beat it with SR and some previous damage. Assurance easily OHKOes Mismagius and Rotom when it's hitting after SR or LO damage. I pair it with Tauros, so I can hit Mismagius with Assurance while it Nasty Plots, switch to Tauros on the Shadow Ball (they don't often Thunderbolt when Assurance would finish them off if they overpredict) and then Pursuit. Rotom takes more care, as you have to check for Will-o-wisp first. Still, you can reap the benefits of Max/Max Donphan (I don't run Max/Max but close) without necessarily losing to Spin Blockers. The extra bulk can definitely help.

I also wanted to give a shoutout about a mini-tournament coming up - it's on the CAP server. The main reason is that there's a UU component, where two CAPmons will be added to UU (Fidgit and Cyclohm). The thing is, Fidgit is a ridiculously good Spiker, which will be interesting because the lack of good Spikes users is one of the defining traits of the recent metagame. Cyclohm, with it's Electric/Dragon typing and Hippowdon-like stats will be an impediment to the common Spikes-stack sweepers (Moltres Scyther Swellow), however. It's sure to be an interesting tournament though, and I think both of the CAP additions are very relevant to things that we discuss commonly here. You have to do the entire tournament to take part in the UU section, though, afaik.
 
If this CCAT thing does happen I would hope to see it done with a pokemon like Pikachu to show just how diverse this meta can be
 
Focusing on an underused mon just because it's underused is exactly what I DON'T want in a CCAT. I think that it should focus on a concept rather than a mon.
 
capefeather said:
Focusing on an underused mon just because it's underused is exactly what I DON'T want in a CCAT. I think that it should focus on a concept rather than a mon.
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I agree. One concept I have found exceptional in this metagame is the use of Yawn+U-turn Uxie. If Uxie is slower the better because the opponent is forced to switch out on Yawn and you can gain momentum accordingly by scouting the switch. If the opponent is faster and doesn't switch out on the U-turn you might as well have won the match from there. You can send in anything for a free turn of set up.

Of course this strat is screwed over by Lum Berry leads, but they are extremely rare now.
 
On Clefable-I've been running CM with Wish and its been an absolute nightmare for my opponents to face, especially stall.
 
capefeather said:
Focusing on an underused mon just because it's underused is exactly what I DON'T want in a CCAT. I think that it should focus on a concept rather than a mon.
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I would hope that concept is something more obscure, like Hail, or Sandstorm, dual weather, double SubRoosting, double <Insert type here> or something like that and not the whored Moltres/Milotic/Venusaur core or (God forbid) Rain, because frankly, I think we've seen enough of that. I would support a CCAT for a more underused mon though (One that does really well against the current standard, like Flare's Jynx). It would otherwise be boring, in my opinion, if we just stuck to something like Uxie (Yeah, let's try and build a team around Uxie, ANY team can use Uxie and be successful).

On Clefable-I've been running CM with Wish and its been an absolute nightmare for my opponents to face, especially stall.
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Apart from supporting teammates, why not use Softboiled??
 
It doesn't matter whether it uses something like Uxie so long as it works. Just because a team has Uxie in it doesn't mean it works. You can have unseen things like Medicham and Pinsir for sweepers. It doesn't mean it's going to work. If this helps at all I'm using Absol for my sweeper and it's nowhere near the top ten, but it still wrecks. We do need creativity but adding something used quite often once in a while isn't going to hurt.
 
The problem I ran into while running the first CCAT was 1) Lack of Order of Operations 2) The communities lack of focus. The second is somewhat dependent on the first but there will always be 'random' drop-in posts.

If a CCAT were to happen again then commit a thread to designing the order of operations.
 
MetaGross66 said:
It doesn't matter whether it uses something like Uxie so long as it works. Just because a team has Uxie in it doesn't mean it works. You can have unseen things like Medicham and Pinsir for sweepers. It doesn't mean it's going to work. If this helps at all I'm using Absol for my sweeper and it's nowhere near the top ten, but it still wrecks. We do need creativity but adding something used quite often once in a while isn't going to hurt.
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Yes, it's fine to use Uxie in the team, but we shouldn't be building a team around it because there are just way too many things we can do. We should find something a bit more specific, so the team-building doesn't become so ambiguous and possibly boring. I mean, continuing with the Uxie example, we could make a Stall team, HO team, balanced, Rain, Sun, the team options are just too much and we'll spend way too much time trying to decide what kind of team we want.
 
There are too many options indeed. Toxicroak + Houndoom sounds like fun, or we could go with Torterra because it's now known what a force it is. If it was up to me I'd go for Lopunny or Quick Feet Ursaring, but oh well. >_>
 
What do you mean by too many options. You're not going to send in a defensive pokemon if you have one free turn. You're going to take advantage of it by setting up. That's exactly what Uxie provides and therefore offense is really the only practical play style utilizing that set.

Maybe the center of the CCAT should be a sweeper. Just saying, Uxie makes for one of the best support leads because it puts the opponent in a tough spot early in the match unless you're FlareBlitz and lead with a LumSDPinsir. >__>
 
I'm saying Uxie should be used as a support Pokemon (Which it is), and not as the focus of the team.

Who is going to get this started?
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When someone decides to make a thread, I suppose.
 
Hi stop mentioning the word CCAT a gazillion times and TYPE IT OUT at least once for us newbies. Thanks <3
 
Community Create-A-Team if i remember correctly.

It was an community effort to create a team based and revolved on a poke and a determined set and concept.
If i remember correctly again...
 
With useful pokes.
Sorry, i didn't make my post clear.

Anyway: People, what about... hmm... Scarf Omastar?
It has great special attack, and can surprise a few people too. And it has SR, Spikes or Toxic Spikes if you want to (as a filler, of course).

Hydro Pump/Earth Power/Ice Beam/filler?
Could it work?
 
I think capefeather was right here. We should start with a concept, like we do for CAP. Then we'll narrow it down to Pokemon and then make the team.
 
guys miltank does not counter ghosts just because it has scrappy, please stop switching it into mismagius and spiritomb k
 
Can anybody suggest a good Pokemon to counter the Aggron/ Swellow duo I see everywhere these days? I'm using Donphan, but it simply can't switch into the two repeatedly and still do it's primary job of Rapid Spinning SR, which is crucial for my teams MVP. So yeah, a counter that can Rapid Spin, does such a thing exist?

Aggron is a troll this Meta. Its speed, although low by standards, is still enough to outspeed pretty much all of its counters.
 
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