Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

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PKMN Trainer Manson said:
I said it a while back but I'll say it again. I honestly have no idea why people think gothlolimon is based on Gothic Lolita style.
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It wears black so it must be a goth obv.

the point is that with no offensive abilitys like mold breaker helping a pokemon there is no 2 types combo that hit any type combo for at least neutral damage.
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PI just pointed it out...Dragon/Fire does hit any type combination for at least neutral. It doesn't need Mold Breaker, because the only pokemon that resists both resists them only because of its ability. Abilities nullified, and it's unresisted coverage, as you asked for.
 
In case anyone was wondering, here is a list of awesome coverage from Dual Stabs:

{} denotes resistance/immunity due to ability

Perfects (Type-wise)

Fighting/Ghost (unresisted)
- Resisted by theoretical Normal/Ghost
Fire/Dragon (resisted by {Heatran}) - RESHIRAM
Fighting/Dragon (resisted by {Shedinja})
- Resisted by theoretical Steel/Ghost

Others that are Quasi-Perfect

Water/Dragon (resisted by Empoleon, {Shedinja}) - Kingdra, Palkia
Electric/Dragon (resisted by Magnezone, Steelix, {Shedinja}) - ZEKROM
Ground/Dragon (resisted by Skarmory, {Shedinja, Bronzong}) - Flygon, Garchomp
Fighting/Dark (resisted by Heracross, Toxicroak)
Fighting/Flying (resisted by Rotom, Zapdos)
Rock/Ground (resisted by Torterra, Breloom, {Flygon, Claydol, Bronzong}) - Rampardos
Ice/Ground (resisted by Surskit, {Shedinja, Bronzong}) - Mamoswine
Flying/Ground (resisted by Zapdos, Aerodactyl, Skarmory, Rotom, {Lunatone, Solrock, Bronzong}) - Gliscor
Dark/Ground (resisted by Shiftry, Cacturne, Honchkrow, Heracross, Breloom, Skarmory) - The new Crocodile dude
Ice/Electric (resisted by Magnezone, {Lanturn, Shedinja})
Water/Flying (resisted by Lanturn, Empoleon, {Shedinja}) - Gyarados
Water/Normal (resisted by Empoleon, {Shedinja}) - BIBAREL XD
Ghost/Fire (resisted by Houndoom, Tyranitar, Sharpedo, Crawdaunt)
 
Lucalibur said:
fighting/ghost with scrappy.

the point is that with no offensive abilitys like mold breaker helping a pokemon there is no 2 types combo that hit any type combo for at least neutral damage.
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If we are completely discounting abilities, doesn't Dragon/Fire hit everything for at least neutral damage?

Beaten :/
 
yeah i know, and for that reason i say SR and heatran forever. they are what keep mence from being 100% uber.

i said offensive abilitys from the atacking pokemon, if we discount the defensive ones too then dragon/fire does hit each type for neutral.

then again, thanks god heatran and SR exist.

edit:fighting/ghost dont hit normal/ghost, if the pokemon dont exist yet its one thing, but the fact there is a type combo that resist fighting/ghost pretty much discount has the pefect coverage type.
 
Lucalibur said:
fighting/ghost with scrappy.

the point is that with no offensive abilitys like mold breaker helping a pokemon there is no 2 types combo that hit any type combo for at least neutral damage.

edit:just because you HAVE acess to a move dont mean you CAN to use him. a pokemon can get all the moves in the game for all i care, but if its using something like rest+sleep talk then it will have to pick a combo of 2 types.

edit2: there is no normal/ghost but the fact is fighting/ghost cant even touch normal ghost. with no abilitys helping the atacking pokemon there will always have something that resist 2 different types. doesnt matter how good the coverage might be.
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Well if there are no offensive abilities, we can say there are no defensive abilities, and Dragon/Fire still wins
 
we got no fucking idea but if i were to guess i would say its where you evolve magneton. i mean it look like a place where you would evolve stuff like that.
 
I hope Denchura does not suffer the curse of the early bug-type... Electric tarantula is too cool to be stuffed into the depths of NU. I don't see it being the early bug type though, it will probably be something caught later-on (Probably the final evo in a 2 pokemon line).
 
Lucalibur said:
fighting/ghost with scrappy.

the point is that with no offensive abilitys like mold breaker helping a pokemon there is no 2 types combo that hit any type combo for at least neutral damage.

edit:just because you HAVE acess to a move dont mean you CAN to use him. a pokemon can get all the moves in the game for all i care, but if its using something like rest+sleep talk then it will have to pick a combo of 2 types.

edit2: there is no normal/ghost but the fact is fighting/ghost cant even touch normal ghost. with no abilitys helping the atacking pokemon there will always have something that resist 2 different types. doesnt matter how good the coverage might be.
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Abilities are a part of Pokemon, and as such, you must treat them no differently than an individual type. The only reason Fire/Dragon is resisted is because Heatran has Flash Fire, so technically nothing will ever resist a Scrappy Pokemon with Normal/Fighting moves.
 
You could always have a giant skill swap chain from Rampardos to Reshiram in VGC for ultimate Fire/Dragon ownage ;)

Kangaskhan says hi (Return + Focus Punch/Hammer Arm/Low Kick)
 
blasphemy1 said:
Abilities are a part of Pokemon, and as such, you must treat them no differently than an individual type. The only reason Fire/Dragon is resisted is because Heatran has Flash Fire, so technically nothing will ever resist a Scrappy Pokemon with Normal/Fighting moves.
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All the more reason for a new ability in Gen V:

Ironhide - Provides immunity to Fighting attacks.

Aggron supports my idea.
 
i bet someone is gonna say that ability is broken and completely forget we got water absorb, flash fire and volt absorb.

edit:aero evo

base stats

90 hp
125 atack
80 defense
95 special defense
60 special atack
140 speed

win brave bird, head smash and sword dance.

fixed stats.
 
Shroomisaur said:
All the more reason for a new ability in Gen V:

Ironhide - Provides immunity to Fighting attacks.

Aggron supports my idea.
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Fortunately Aggron already has Sturdy + Rock Head, but Bastiodon would love it. It'd be able to counter just about any fighting type, Infernape, Machamp, Lucario, you name it. That'd be awesome.

Lucalibur said:
i bet someone is gonna say that ability is broken and completely forget we got water absorb, flash fire and volt absorb.

edit:aero evo

base stats

90 hp
125 atack
80 defense
100 special defense
75 special defense
140 speed

win brave bird, head smash and sword dance.
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That's be pretty awesome, except it has two special defense stats :P

It doesn't need the special attack anyways, since Head Smash would 2HKO Skarmory. The only thing you'd need to watch out for is Bronzong, really, but it doesn't have reliable recovery.
 
It's that it's kinda overdone and not a very great typing in general. In fact, even Gamefreak knows it- Empoleon was made Water/Steel instead of Water/Ice because Water/Steel is just better.

Water/Ice would have fit better for Piplup's evolutions for more reasons than its flavor. Water/Ice would have perfectly completed the reverse circle of starter weaknesses that the 4th gen starters attempted to have. Not only would Torterra's Grass STAB be SE on Empoleon, but Empoleon would get a STAB SE hit on Torterra to compliment Torterra's on Infernape and Infernape's on Empoleon. All this while Infernape keeping its STAB SE on Empoleon because Fighting is SE on both Steel and Ice.

All that perfection with Empoleon's hypothetical Water/Ice typing, and yet they decided against it for the vastly superior Steel subtype. Something tells me Gamefreak will avoid Water/Ice for the starter from now on because they know it's not so great. Water/Fighting is a more likely typing for them to bestow on a Water starter.
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yes

its great that wotter is starting to get some love, i find it humorous that 50 pages back people were talking about punching him until he cried blood

i hope hes uu :)
 
oh crap, the 75 was special atack, editing ASAP.

special atack is only for a boost in there, 60 is just fine because with 125 atack he is ripping shit apart with head smash anyway.
 
blasphemy1 said:
It doesn't need the special attack anyways, since Head Smash would 2HKO Skarmory. The only thing you'd need to watch out for is Bronzong, really, but it doesn't have reliable recovery.
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Bronzong would love to counter that thing with Gyro Ball. Anyway, what's the BST (I'm lazy)?
 
That's a BST of 610 for aero evo, that's a little too much.
Maybe drop some special defense and about 5 points from speed and it would be a little more likely to happen.

But STAB Rock Head Brave Bird and Head Smash is full of win.
 
i fixed the stats, dropped 5 special defense and took away the bonus special atack.

if i am right its 590 now.

the speed is really for the speed tie with electrode.
 
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