Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

[Youkai Enslaver]

So? That means absolutely nothing. Simply saying "We've never had one" would have been a stronger argument.

Next person to use the Roost argument is getting locked in a cage with with a paraflinch Jirachi holding a King's Rock.

I agree. It's possible to have a pure Flying-type use Roost right now. :/

It's not like the mechanics for Roost can't be changed in BW to where it just makes them vulnerable to Ground-type attacks.

Or, it could just not learn Roost. Not every Flying-type has wings and/or can learn Roost (Gyarados, Rayquaza, Mantine).

I can see a pure Flying-type being some kind of avatar of wind that is not a bird or have no wings.

One thing to remember is that it took three generations for there to be a pure Ice-type.

 

[PI-Dimension]

Actually, Rock is not that great defensively. It only resists Normal, Flying, Poison, and Fire, with Fire resist being the only really useful one.

Dude you have obviously never used like, TTar/CurseRegirock/CurseCradily. That +1 SpD is imbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Well, Neverused is techinally played and therefore aren't actually Never used, but the tier were aptly named in RBY.

Dude, I don't think you understand. OU means Overused in STANDARD. UU means Underused in STANDARD

I'm pretty sure venusaur is overused in UU, but its underused in standard (aka OU)

 

[blasphemy1]

I agree. It's possible to have a pure Flying-type use Roost right now. :/

It's not like the mechanics for Roost can't be changed in BW to where it just makes them vulnerable to Ground-type attacks.

Or, it could just not learn Roost. Not every Flying-type has wings and/or can learn Roost (Gyarados, Rayquaza, Mantine).

I can see a pure Flying-type being some kind of avatar of wind that is not a bird or have no wings.

One thing to remember is that it took three generations for there to be a pure Ice-type.

No, Roost shouldn't be changed, and I don't see why we even need a pure-Flying type in the first place. Roost's mechanics make it a great recovery move because it removes the rock, electric, and ice weaknesses for many flying Pokemon.

 

[Lucalibur]

the ??? type is more of a filler then anything, i dont see why gamefreak added such a useless type in the first place(maybe because curse was not a ghost or dark move in they eyes).

i also cant use the we never had a ??? type pokemon argument because data in DPP got a ??? arceus with plate and everything but he was added only for the game to not glitch if his type was changed.

heck, add the shadow type make more sense then making the ??? a serious type instead of a useless filler. we have no use for a pure flying type pokemon anyway and gamefreak know a pure flying would not be useful in the first place, they got a fucking team working only on the competitive aspect of pokemon. in the end pure flying and normal/flying are the same in they eyes.

 

[MegaKick]

they need an ??? typed move. A real one. Base 100 power, 95% acc, 10 PP, 10% chance of random effect ie confuse paralize burn etc.

Also, new effect. Wound. Mayby something less violent. User loses 12.5% each turn and has speciel attack halved. Moves like slash can inflict it.

 

[Wishy]

Why are people so worked up about pure Flying type? What are the benefits or w/e to pure Flying that have some of you fighting so valiantly for? I couldn't really careless... So what, we finally get a bird that can be hit by Ghost-type attacks? lol.

Youkai Enslavor does bring up a good point though, there weren't any pure Ice-types until Gen3. The only Ice-types in Gen1 were all part Water... So, who knows we might just get a pure Flying. The probably would be if they give pure Flying to a bird why aren't all the other birds pure Flying? :s

o hey I just caught a shiny Zubat in HeartGold in Union Cave. This is my second shiny Zubat, the first being from Sapphire. 8D

 

[Shroomisaur]

Why are people so worked up about pure Flying type? What are the benefits or w/e to pure Flying that have some of you fighting so valiantly for? I couldn't really careless... So what, we finally get a bird that can be hit by Ghost-type attacks? lol.

Youkai Enslavor does bring up a good point though, there weren't any pure Ice-types until Gen3. The only Ice-types in Gen1 were all part Water... So, who knows we might just get a pure Flying. The probably would be if they give pure Flying to a bird why aren't all the other birds pure Flying? :s

o hey I just caught a shiny Zubat in HeartGold in Union Cave. This is my second shiny Zubat, the first being from Sapphire. 8D

I don't know... I guess some people just really want the flavor of a "pure" flying type. That's really the only reason I can think of. Honestly, the Normal secondary typing is a benefit more than a burden simply for STAB Return... but it's still possible pure Flying will happen, though.

And congrats on the shiny Zubat!

 

[GoldenRifle]

heck, add the shadow type make more sense then making the ??? a serious type instead of a useless filler. we have no use for a pure flying type pokemon anyway and gamefreak know a pure flying would not be useful in the first place, they got a fucking team working only on the competitive aspect of pokemon. in the end pure flying and normal/flying are the same in they eyes.

Yeah, erhm, what makes you say that?

Not saying that you're wrong cause I don't even know a definitive answer myself. But I doubt it though.

 

[Lucalibur]

http://e3.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/pos...atinum-particle-physics-bridges-and-more.html

a little below the spinda pic show the part where they discuss about competititve pokemon. if gamefreak enjoy trolling us or another its a thing but they know about the battle system or competitive pokemon as we like to call.

 

[clarinetist87]

As far as pure flying versus normal/flying, I think that GameFreak considers flying to be an attribute more than an element. Charizard is a fire type that can fly... Pidgey is a normal type that can fly, etc... I'm 99% sure that flying has NEVER been a Pokemons primary (first) type. Also, a pure flying type would gain a resistance to fighting, but would lose an immunity to ghost, so I would think that normal/flying would be better.

EDIT: There is a grand total of ONE Pokemon in the entire game with Flying as its primary type: Arceus with the Sky Plate.

 

[GoldenRifle]

http://e3.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/pos...atinum-particle-physics-bridges-and-more.html

a little below the spinda pic show the part where they discuss about competititve pokemon. if gamefreak enjoy trolling us or another its a thing but they know about the battle system or competitive pokemon as we like to call.

I see. Though I don't think that team over analyzes the competitive scene of Pokemon like these forums, it's good to know that they're at least aware of these sorts of community.

One thing I'd really like would be that they make nearly all Pokemon (at least at their final evovled forms) viable for competitive matches, however I know that'll never happen seeing as there are Pokemon in their final evovled forms have low stats and seeing broken moveset distributed to some who don't even need it (why the hell did Salamence get the oppurtunity to get Outrage?).
There are times where I just feel like playing with some of my favorites Pokemon, but still have a good chance at winning knowing that most of the Pokemon would be somewhat even (Pokemon with strong stats have somewhat decent moveset while Pokemon with mediocre stats have good abilities and/or moveset).

That's just me though.

 

[T-major]

No, Roost shouldn't be changed, and I don't see why we even need a pure-Flying type in the first place. Roost's mechanics make it a great recovery move because it removes the rock, electric, and ice weaknesses for many flying Pokemon.

while I 100% agree with you on Roost, I don't see why a pure flying type is somehow out the the question.

really, the only legitimate reason I've heard is that the Flying type is inherently a secondary typing that would be applied to something that can fly. for example, Pidgey has no elemental affinity (and therefore gets a normal type) but it can also fly so it gets that as a secondary typing. everything else is either "lolRoost" or "it hasn't been done yet, so it won't be done ever" (both of which are silly reasons). just design a Pokemon that has an elemental affinity with Flying and only Flying (like an air spirit, like has been suggested), and we get around the one reason against a pure flying type Pokemon. whether we need one or not doesn't matter.

 

[clarinetist87]

Youkai Enslavor does bring up a good point though, there weren't any pure Ice-types until Gen3. The only Ice-types in Gen1 were all part Water... So, who knows we might just get a pure Flying. The probably would be if they give pure Flying to a bird why aren't all the other birds pure Flying? :s

There may have been no pure Ice types, but there was one Pokemon which had Ice as its primary type (Articuno). Barring Arceus, every type, with the exception of Flying, had a Pokemon which had that element as a Primary type when the type was first introduced. Also, as further evidence for the argument that Flying is inherently a Secondary type, the Normal type has never been a Secondary type.

 

[blasphemy1]

while I 100% agree with you on Roost, I don't see why a pure flying type is somehow out the the question.

really, the only legitimate reason I've heard is that the Flying type is inherently a secondary typing that would be applied to something that can fly. for example, Pidgey has no elemental affinity (and therefore gets a normal type) but it can also fly so it gets that as a secondary typing. everything else is either "lolRoost" or "it hasn't been done yet, so it won't be done ever" (both of which are silly reasons). just design a Pokemon that has an elemental affinity with Flying and only Flying (like an air spirit, like has been suggested), and we get around the one reason against a pure flying type Pokemon. whether we need one or not doesn't matter.

I'm not against a pure-Flying Pokemon, but I am against the counter-argument saying "change Roost to only make ground attacks hit flyers" because that ruins a lot of Pokemon's abilities just to allow for a Pokemon to exist. This doesn't need to be the case; it doesn't need to even learn Roost. Gyarados doesn't learn Roost, neither does Mantine, the supposed albatross based pure flying Pokemon wouldn't need to learn it, either.

 

[GoldenRifle]

I know this is slightly off-topic (again), but here's one thing that bothers me. Suppose they make a pure flying type with Roost. What would happened to it's resistance and weaknesses? Roost takes off your Flying typing correct? So basically you'd have no type at all for a brief moment.

I'd be interested to see a test using an Arceus with the Sky Plate with Roost (obtained through hacks of course, unless I've been unaware he could learn it all this time) against certain moves resistant/weak to the type (Earthquake, Energy Ball, etc.).

 

[Lucalibur]

you can just hack the ??? type arceus and get the exactly same results, the reason i said its better for a pure flying to not exist is because depending on the pokemon design it will get roost and become a type who dont resist or is weak to anything.

 

[Blightbringer]

you can just hack the ??? type arceus and get the exactly same results, the reason i said its better for a pure flying to not exist is because depending on the pokemon design it will get roost and become a type who dont resist or is weak to anything.

how is this honestly significant? it's for ONE whole turn, first of all, and that's only if you're faster than the opposing pokemon.

and, of course, they could just, you know, change the mechanics for Roost. i don't see what'd be so hard about just making everything hit the Flying type for neutral damage. people act like this is a valid point

 

[T-major]

I'm not against a pure-Flying Pokemon, but I am against the counter-argument saying "change Roost to only make ground attacks hit flyers" because that ruins a lot of Pokemon's abilities just to allow for a Pokemon to exist. This doesn't need to be the case; it doesn't need to even learn Roost. Gyarados doesn't learn Roost, neither does Mantine, the supposed albatross based pure flying Pokemon wouldn't need to learn it, either.

sorry, the way you worded your post made it sound like you were against the typing in general. my response was directed at everyone who it might apply to, regardless. either way, I agree with you on Roost. the pure flying type not being required to have it is one of the reasons why I called that argument silly.

overall it just seems like the people against pure Flying type don't want it because of bad reasons, or no reason at all. speaking of no reason at all...

you can just hack the ??? type arceus and get the exactly same results, the reason i said its better for a pure flying to not exist is because depending on the pokemon design it will get roost and become a type who dont resist or is weak to anything.

simple way to fix this. don't give it roost. seriously. I'm pretty sure you were around when we explained how bad of an excuse the roost argument is, so why are you still using it as an argument? do you seriously think this is an issue? don't you think this "competitive battling" team at game freak you like to bring up so much would realize the problem with roost on a pure flying type? they would either A) not give it roost, B) design the Pokemon so it couldn't have roost and make sense, or C) change the way roost works. since C is unnecessary, and since A and B pretty much go hand in hand, the roost problem is easy to fix. there is literally no reason at all why you need to continue using Roost as an argument against a pure flying type. roost existing is not a reason why a Pokemon can't exist, since we went 4 gens without roost in the first place.

 

[Blightbringer]

Where are people getting this whole "starter balance" thing from? Just because things were mixed up a bit in Gen 4 does not mean it is the norm. Venusaur couldn't really do much against Charizard. Charizard couldn't really touch Blastoise. It's meant to be that way. You find other 'mons to mitigate your weakness to Pokemon of the type that trump your starter. That's the point, and the way it has been since RBY came out.

 

[Lucalibur]

flying is only a bonus type for pokemons, its never the main type.

when they never though about the idea of making roost they still didnt got us a pure flying pokemon, they consider flying nothing more then a bonus for pokemons, if they got wings they can fly(Sadly this is the reason charizard is not fire/dragon).

in the end flying is nothing more then just a type added to pokemons who can fly for a reason or another and is never the main type. and now that we finally got roost would they just troll us like usual and make a pure flying? if they never gave us one until now then why make one right after creating a move made specially to help flying types(and stuff with levtiate/show signs of flying ability).

 

[T-major]

flying is only a bonus type for pokemons, its never the main type.

so far, yes.

when they never though about the idea of making roost they still didnt got us a pure flying pokemon, they consider flying nothing more then a bonus for pokemons, if they got wings they can fly(Sadly this is the reason charizard is not fire/dragon).

so far, yes.

in the end flying is nothing more then just a type added to pokemons who can fly for a reason or another and is never the main type.

so far, yes

and now that we finally got roost would they just troll us like usual and make a pure flying? if they never gave us one until now then why make one right after creating a move made specially to help flying types(and stuff with levtiate/show signs of flying ability).

they would give us one because they fucking want to. them not doing it until now isn't a reason why they can't in the future. we didn't have a Fire/Dragon until now, but we got one. we didn't have a pure ice type until gen 3. Flying is still a type, and is literally no less valid from any other type. stop trying to justify why a pure flying can't exist, because there is no reason, at all, why it can't.

 

[Lucalibur]

i got nothing against a pure flying type pokemon, in fact i would enjoy to see one but all i am doing is saying why i dont think they will make one. in the end its a win win situation for me.

they dont need to add roost but i really think it would be weird for a pure flying type pokemon to not get roost, gyara and mantyke are special cases since they main type is water, plus they design make sense they dont learn roost.

in the end its all about the design they use, if its something like rayquaza then it make sense it dont learn roost and so i would have to agree that a pure flying cant learn as long the design match, if its something like zapdos then they are just trolling us again. MAYBE they will add one in the future but i really doubt a pure flying will show up on BW.

 

[GREEN00]

There are already possible means of a pokemon being given a mono flying typing and using Roost, if nothing else Smeargle can Skill Swap Kecleon's Color Change onto himself, become a mono flying type, and then use Roost.

This is a tired discussion with an already present solution, and I have seen it numerous times already.

 

[Yilx]

That unnamed gothic lolita pokemon...

She is ADORABLE. I'm hoping she becomes a Dark/Psychic type with an excellent BST and movepool...

 

[Shock_wave]

There may have been no pure Ice types, but there was one Pokemon which had Ice as its primary type (Articuno). Barring Arceus, every type, with the exception of Flying, had a Pokemon which had that element as a Primary type when the type was first introduced. Also, as further evidence for the argument that Flying is inherently a Secondary type, the Normal type has never been a Secondary type.

What do you mean there are no pure Ice type?? Glaceon and Regice would like a word with you.