Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

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I still do not understand N's actual plan. If it's simply to just split Pokémon and humans from each other... Well, what IS the point? It just seems like another stereotypical villain plan, similar to Cyrus' grand "create a new world" scheme, and Team Magma/Aqua's "expand the land/sea" ideas.

... Just really bugs me, since N in general does not seem to be quite the NPC, at least not from the data we have on him...
 
Ming-Ming said:
I still do not understand N's actual plan. If it's simply to just split Pokémon and humans from each other... Well, what IS the point? It just seems like another stereotypical villain plan, similar to Cyrus' grand "create a new world" scheme, and Team Magma/Aqua's "expand the land/sea" ideas.

... Just really bugs me, since N in general does not seem to be quite the NPC, at least not from the data we have on him...
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It's, from what I understand, to make it so that humans cannot 'use' pokemon like they currently do, and just be friends with them. This would mean no more battles, no more contests, possibly no more pokeathlons (as the pokemon themselves 'work together' with the humans, so hey may still like those), no more pokeballs...

I think you get the idea.


However, he says himself that he does not know how he will accomplish this (the exact opposite of Team Galactic). I'm guessing this is where the legends come in...
 
It *seems* next Pokémon Sunday will show a (silhouette of a?) new legendary pokémon, being it this gen's Mew.


Ming-Ming said:
I still do not understand N's actual plan. If it's simply to just split Pokémon and humans from each other... Well, what IS the point? It just seems like another stereotypical villain plan, similar to Cyrus' grand "create a new world" scheme, and Team Magma/Aqua's "expand the land/sea" ideas.

... Just really bugs me, since N in general does not seem to be quite the NPC, at least not from the data we have on him...
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What do you mean? His wish is to separate humanity and pokémon, but it's not like he only needs to tell people to release their pokémon, never get close their habitat and call it a day. It would need as effort as, say, telling people nowadays to not have any contact with animals anymore.

And that's where the legendary pokémon kicks in. He needs "power" to do that. Which better source than an aeon-old creature?
 
Kindrindra said:
It's, from what I understand, to make it so that humans cannot 'use' pokemon like they currently do, and just be friends with them. This would mean no more battles, no more contests, possibly no more pokeathlons (as the pokemon themselves 'work together' with the humans, so hey may still like those), no more pokeballs...
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Huh. That's a pretty heavy motivation. I'm impressed.
 
if that is the idea then i support that guy, IMO that is how pokemon should always have being. sure they are our friends but in the end they are just slaves we took from they natural habitat and put them inside small balls for our own selfish uses. who knows how many poke familys lost they sons because we felt like catching a starly in the start of the game!?
 
Lucalibur said:
if that is the idea then i support that guy, IMO that is how pokemon should always have being. sure they are our friends but in the end they are just slaves we took from they natural habitat and put them inside small balls for our own selfish uses. who knows how many poke familys lost they sons because we felt like catching a starly in the start of the game!?
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I agree. He seems to have the most 'grey' plan yet (lol). The only thing I can find anywhere that conflicts with his idea is... some old dusty text in the canclave library.
 
Lucalibur said:
if that is the idea then i support that guy, IMO that is how pokemon should always have being. sure they are our friends but in the end they are just slaves we took from they natural habitat and put them inside small balls for our own selfish uses. who knows how many poke familys lost they sons because we felt like catching a starly in the start of the game!?
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Sounds like Colonial America.
 
Mario With Lasers said:
What do you mean? His wish is to separate humanity and pokémon, but it's not like he only needs to tell people to release their pokémon, never get close their habitat and call it a day. It would need as effort as, say, telling people nowadays to not have any contact with animals anymore.
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... Seriously? Then in that case, N sounds more like a wily Pokémon Ranger. Watch in Pokémon Gray/Rainbow/Charcoal where he enlists a gang of rogue Pokémon Rangers bent on befriending legendaries to make a split between humans and Pokémon.
 
Mario With Lasers said:
What do you mean? His wish is to separate humanity and pokémon, but it's not like he only needs to tell people to release their pokémon, never get close their habitat and call it a day. It would need as effort as, say, telling people nowadays to not have any contact with animals anymore.
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I'd think it would be harder than that. On top of Pokemon (like animals) being used for marketing, labor, and companionship, the media seems to revolve around battles, contests, and famous trainers. It would be like telling everyone who ever played a media-sponsored sport to live on a separate island, never to be heard from again. And we have to get rid of all livestock.
 
I'm really curious with the plt in both versions. If you look at Reshiram and Zekrom, the NaturexTechnology comparison is kinda obvious. Reshiram has a solid and plain color, not much detail (except for the turbine ass), feathers and 'hair'. Zekrom kinda looks like a robot, has mech-like wings, uses electricity to move and has strange stripes and symbols. However, the white version is the nature-based one and the black is the urban one. Black has the Black CITY and White the White FOREST, while pokebeach showed a screenshot of a town that changed appearance between versions, and it was covered with grass in white and all 'modern' in black. Perhaps Team Plasma, the secondary villain, is trying to use the legends to transform White's nature into a city, using Zekrom, and Black's city into nature, using Reshiram?
 
Chateau said:
I'd think it would be harder than that. On top of Pokemon (like animals) being used for marketing, labor, and companionship, the media seems to revolve around battles, contests, and famous trainers. It would be like telling everyone who ever played a media-sponsored sport to live on a separate island, never to be heard from again. And we have to get rid of all livestock.
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It's near synonymous to removing machines and tools to today's society, isn't it?

Dreizehn said:
I'm really curious with the plt in both versions. If you look at Reshiram and Zekrom, the NaturexTechnology comparison is kinda obvious. Reshiram has a solid and plain color, not much detail (except for the turbine ass), feathers and 'hair'. Zekrom kinda looks like a robot, has mech-like wings, uses electricity to move and has strange stripes and symbols. However, the white version is the nature-based one and the black is the urban one. Black has the Black CITY and White the White FOREST, while pokebeach showed a screenshot of a town that changed appearance between versions, and it was covered with grass in white and all 'modern' in black. Perhaps Team Plasma, the secondary villain, is trying to use the legends to transform White's nature into a city, using Zekrom, and Black's city into nature, using Reshiram?
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You'd think, however, that there were two different villainous teams, rather than Plasma swapping ideas in-between versions.
 
I think we may just be looking too deeply into translations of Captain N's goals and motivations. It will likely be much clearer in the future but we have little to go off of at the moment.

eheeh captain N! :3
 
fuck NES, captain N possess the ultimate ability and item! he got his hands on a megadrive with sonic the hedgehog PLUS he glow in the dark. captain planet was his prototype Version.
 
Chateau said:
I'd think it would be harder than that. On top of Pokemon (like animals) being used for marketing, labor, and companionship, the media seems to revolve around battles, contests, and famous trainers. It would be like telling everyone who ever played a media-sponsored sport to live on a separate island, never to be heard from again. And we have to get rid of all livestock.
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Yeah, my analogy was kinda incomplete. It only makes things worse then, because we're talking about entertainment industry too, not only livestock and etcetera.


Lol shit would get chaotic.

Ming-Ming said:
It's near synonymous to removing machines and tools to today's society, isn't it?
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Or maybe we could say it would be like having machines and tools as our living pets and cockfighters that build shit for us on workdays and then on weekends play soccer and earn millions for every Coke ad they appear in.
 
Ming-Ming said:
It's near synonymous to removing machines and tools to today's society, isn't it?
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Even worse, if you think about it. Remove Miltank alone and you've removed hamburgers, milk, cream, cheese, yogurt, and more from the whole world's diet! Remove Mareep & friends, and the people of Isshu lose their wool coats and Tazer-resistant clothes. Remove Machop's family and you've lost your primier land-stompers and construction experts (although they DO tend to take over 3 years to do their work)! And since a number of plants are Pokemon as well, they'd be losing all kinds of natural medicines, perfumes, chemicals, you name it.

N sounds like a sterotypical "idealist", in that he has a noble goal that HE believes is morally correct, but hasn't thought it through to conclusion.
 
Dreizehn said:
@Ming-Ming:The rumor that told us about Araragi and the starter's names etc..., mentioned only one team =/
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I know that, I meant one would assume with that, there would be two different teams with two separate ideas, rather than one team that's idea differs between games.


Chateau said:
Except people aren't BFF's with machines and tools.
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Mario With Lasers said:
Or maybe we could say it would be like having machines and tools as our living pets and cockfighters that build shit for us on workdays and then on weekends play soccer and earn millions for every Coke ad they appear in.
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I did say _near_ synonymous. XP The point was, people and pokémon sort of depend on each other (Or at least that's what certain parts of canon wants "us" to believe), similar to how humans depend on tools to do... Whatever. "Tools" being machines, animals, etc.
 
Mario With Lasers said:
...However, it mentioned "Team Plasma and N".


That's what I'm saying guys, N will be a lone wolf while that scouter guy from the trailer with the crown thing in front of him will be the leader of Team Plasma. Trust me, I'm white.
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Well, that dude got everything right so far besides Team Plasma, but only because we don't know if there even IS a Team Plasma yet, so... I guess the chances of there being one are pretty great!
 
This story actually has the potential to be extremely deep. The first thing I thought of when I read about N's motivations was the Radical Abolitionism movement before/during the Civil War, where people like John Brown used violence to try and get people to stop the practice of slavery. If they take N's story through some morally ambiguous twists and turns Pokemon might just stop being my guilty-pleasure RPG and start taking on the same status as a Mass Effect or Fallout.
 
I mentioned it earlier, and it's starting to make even more sense. Could N be Zoroark under an Illusion? Who would want to free Pokemon more than a Pokemon itself? And check out the hair.

Also, it will be kind of ridiculous if you have to battle N.
"Pokemon are people too! Meat is murder! Free the pogeymaans! Oh, right after I let you beat the crap out of them with your starter."
 
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