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Ok, so is anyone actually worried about voting this round? I'm guessing no...
Also, Jak's Lickylicky is pretty beastly. I believe I suggested it be added to the analysis when it was being redone, but I don't think it made it on. =/
Also, Jak's Lickylicky is pretty beastly. I believe I suggested it be added to the analysis when it was being redone, but I don't think it made it on. =/
To an extent, Spiritomb.
Ursaring has really impressed me this round - come in on a scarved Ghost move, Swords Dance and rip through most things in the tier.
lol
Uuh...
Ursaring can come in on set up moves (on pokes without priority... or not named Feraligatr or Altaria), or mainly status moves.
The great thing about Ursaring is that it easily decimates pretty much any defensive core through sheer force (and it isn't a dead weight against offensive teams because it outspeeds even base 105 pokes to hit them with Facades or Close Combat or Crunchs and all).
The bad thing? Well, normal typing doesn't let you come in on resisted moves... because it doesn't resist anything. And it dies really fast (at least it almost always bring down one or two pokes with him).
Note: do not use Guts. Do NOT leave Ursaring without Toxic Orb.
Ursaring can come in on set up moves (on pokes without priority... or not named Feraligatr or Altaria), or mainly status moves.
The great thing about Ursaring is that it easily decimates pretty much any defensive core through sheer force (and it isn't a dead weight against offensive teams because it outspeeds even base 105 pokes to hit them with Facades or Close Combat or Crunchs and all).
The bad thing? Well, normal typing doesn't let you come in on resisted moves... because it doesn't resist anything. And it dies really fast (at least it almost always bring down one or two pokes with him).
Note: do not use Guts. Do NOT leave Ursaring without Toxic Orb.
Spiritomb being used as a lead started solely because of Froslass. It does have other uses that made sure it was still around when Lass got booted, but saying Spiritomb's still around because of Uxie solely is outright wrong, especially when it cannot stop Uxie from setting up weather and screens; only winning against the bulky SR variant.
And can we please stop talking about Ursaring or at least can someone just make a thread about him?
Thing is I run Trickscarf Uxie, so it's hardly an uncommon situation.
I might just do that.
You can actually use Guts on something like CB Ursaring. His defenses are actually quite respectable. Just give him something like:
Ursaring @ Choice Band
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spe
Nature: Adamant
-Return
-Close Combat
-Crunch
-Fire Punch/Sleep Talk
CB Return w/o Guts does 52.40% - 61.98% to max/max+ Weezing, while if you happen to get a Guts boost on top of that, you get: 78.44% - 92.51%.
Ursaring makes a good Trick Room sweeper with Guts+Orb and a Brave nature.
Hard to believe I'm thinking about Pokemon seriously again, but it's happened so yeah. Ask something about the Hariyama anti-lead set, which is something like Fake Out / Close Combat / Payback / Bullet Punch. Why do people say it beats Ambipom? The idea is to survive LO Ambipom's Fake Out + Return, and OHKO back with Close Combat. But that doesn't necessarily happen. Just as possible is Ambipom Fake Outs, then U-turns to some Fighting resist. Silk Scarf Fake Out does (26.1% - 31%), then U-Turn does (8.4% - 10%). Toxic Orb Poison does another 6%, putting Hariyama at about 60%, and Hariyama's facing a disadvantageous matchup. For example, Hariyama might be facing Scyther or Moltres, both more than capable of absorbing the Close Combat and forcing Hariyama out (or if Hariyama stays in KO it at 60% with Air Slash / Aerial Ace). Far from having beaten Ambipom, Hariyama's lost to it.
And since Ambipom is such a common lead ... what's the deal? It seems to me things get oversimplified ...
And since Ambipom is such a common lead ... what's the deal? It seems to me things get oversimplified ...
Against an 'Pom you should use Payback anyway, since Guts Payback still fucks its shit up while also doing significant damage to most Fighting resists. And on a more theorymon note, forcing a lead out = beating it.
Lickilicky @leftovers
252 HP, 56 Def, 200 SPdef
Careful (+SpDef, -Def)
-Return
-Toxic
-Wish
-Protect
lol there's alot to say about this set...but i'll just list them fast...
1. It's not chansey, It has a def that is 10% better than Bold Chansey, however its not as good as the special defense side..Here is an example...Lickilciky is able to survive a Blaziken's -1 Superpower after SR..and get the OHKO with from the -2 drop from Superpower...
2. most ppl would switch in special attackers into lickilicky not expecting it to be special defensive...as well as ghost predicting an explosion so it works out really well nailing them with toxix on the switch in...
3. Return from lickilciky does decent damage...2HKO's most frail sweepers...
4. This set is a huge surprise for some ppl because its bulk is really underrated...lol and until this set because standard and lickilicky becomes popular
Back to Cursers, I find Regice to be really hard to take down with Restalk, godly Spdef and *useable* attack. Not to mention it gets Avalanche, which is great in conjunction with its terrible speed. The only thing stopping it are STAB Fighting moves before it gets +2 def, where it can start Resting with impunity if it gets lucky with Sleep Talk.
Alos, Support Lickilicky looks awesome!
Alos, Support Lickilicky looks awesome!
If you think that way, nothing beats Ambipom at all because everything is having to take some damage and can just be U-turned on. Fake Out also gives you a free switch if you will, and not much can take Ambipom's place after U-turn unless you have something to take a +1 STABed Close Combar coming out of 372 base attack/a fully boosted Payback.
PS: Moltres takes like 50% from CC, so if it misspredicts the subsequent turn and decides to Roost as Hariyama uses Close Combat again it might be as good as dead.
PS: Moltres takes like 50% from CC, so if it misspredicts the subsequent turn and decides to Roost as Hariyama uses Close Combat again it might be as good as dead.
I've been trying this set and I have to say I'm very impressed. I think this set is alot more useable for a wish passer compared to chansey. Plus the surprise factor is hilarious.
@manafii101: Regice does have amazing special defense, which would make you think its a prime candidate for a curse set, but its main problem is, is that its 2x weak to fighting which means any commonly used fighting type: Blaziken, Hitmontop, Hitmonlee, are going to own this set. (especially blaziken who resists its stab.)
Again on Hariyama: it easily, easily beats Ambipom. Personally, I forgo Fake Out for Protect and own it even more. Payback + Bullet Punch KOs Ambipom anyways iirc, so I never ever lead with CC against an Ambi lead. I can't tell you how many Missy/Rotoms I've caught on the switch with Payback against Ambi leads...
Moltres or more offensive Mesprit in the lead position do pretty well to stop Hariyama early, which is the best way of dealing with it. Other than that, Weezing and probably Slowbro can stall it out long enough.
Hey Jamashawalker, I'm the one taking the initiative on the Lickilicky Revamp, and I was wondering if I can cut/paste your set onto the analysis. Any help regarding this set would be much appreciated, as I have little to no experience with it. Any suggested teamates would be helpful. I've found Slowbro to be an excellent partner to Lickilicky in general, taking the Fighting-type attacks aimed at Licki, and in return Licki takes the special attacks that plague Slowbro.
Obviously anything enjoys Wish passes, but I was wondering if you found any Pokemon in particular that loves to have Lickilicky as a teamate. Thanks much!
I partnered that lickilicky with Weezing, who takes fighting moves like a champ, but also has less weaknesses than slowbro so lickilicky is only going to have to take pyschic attacks for it. Weezing is also good since it can WoW opposing pokemon that may hit to hard for lickilicky to handle otherwise. I noticed spikes + sr damage is great for this set since it really helps build the damage quickly by causing a lot of switches + toxic and return damage.
And Toxic immunity?
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