My Obi Stall in Year 2010 and in Gravity (Wi-fi, no Rotoms).

[The Black Hippopotas]

After a lot of months, I´ve created a Wi-fi team for a tournament. I decided to use Obi Stall as a basis since my favourite style of play is Stalling and Obi Stall is the best Stall I´ve ever seen. But obviously, even if I use the same 6 Pokemon, I´m not going to copy-paste his team and I´ve done some modifications for the current metagame.

THE TEAM

Hippowdon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 192 Def / 64 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Slack Off
- Earthquake
- Roar

The lead that brings out the Sandstorm and Slack Off. Yet with the big rising of Taunt Azelfs and Roserades, I´m thinking in making Skarmory the lead. Thanks to Mence banned, I use Roar instead Earthquake, yet I can´t touch MixNite and Gliscor, so I´m reconsidering bringing back Ice Fang. 64 Sp.Def EVs to survive Draco Meteor (when I see a Dragonite, I scout it using Slack Off inmediately. If is MixMence, then is screwed).

Skarmory (F) @ Shed Shell
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 16 Spd / 40 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Roost
- Brave Bird

Leftovers because with the Dragon fall, Steel is the boss of the metagame making Magnezone to be rising in use. With the 16 EVs in Speed I have 180 of Speed.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 24 HP / 252 Def / 232 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Toxic
- Flamethower
- Aromatherapy
- Softboiled

Standar Status Absorber Cleric Bliss with allows me to rest assured if I´m paralyzed or if I´m having some problems with Toxic Spikes. Toxic has been useful to me if I don´t have had the time to put Toxic Spikes or tu surprise one or two Zapdos and Dragonites. Softboiled instead Wish because all of my Pokemon have recovery moves. And Wish without Protect isn´t so effective in Blissey. Yet with Blissey I have some dilemmas. First one is the Nature. Is Careful to say ''lol Togekiss, lol Porygon-Z''. But their use has been low lately while physical sweepers are the one ruling the metagame, so I´m thinking in making it Bold. Second, Flamethower. It has saved me from some Forretress, Scizors, and Lucarios. But it makes me very weak to SubsTran.

Tentacruel (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Ooze Liquid
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Rest

Special spoonge and anti Mix-mence and bulky waters, Toxic Spikes absorber and Rapid Spinner. I usually hadn´t time to Knock Off my enemies, and it was the only Pokemon without a recovery move, so I put it Rest (making me change Wish for Softboiled in Blissey and then Aromatherapy to remove the Sleep Status). Since usually is the less used Pokemon of my team, I have it as my ''Trick Victim''.

Dusknoir (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 26 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Gravity
- DynamicPunch
- Shadow Sneak
- Pain Split

Remember. Rotom cannot be used in Wi-fi, so don´t recommend me it. I firstly had SleepTalk Spiritomb but it isn´t as effective as Sleep Talker as a Dusknoir which can survive better to a Life Orb'd Hydro Pump by Starmie. Gravity screws upcomings Dragonites and Gliscors, and DynamicPunch makes it able to OHKO Tyranitar and put Scizor and Heatran in serious troubles. Also, is my best option against Machamp yet unlike Spiritomb, is weak to Vendetta. Shadow Sneak for make a sure KO of weakened things. Pain Split is my way of recovering.

Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Recover
- Grass Knot

SubSeeder Celebi. With 216 EVs in Speed, is quicker by 2 points than Gliscor so it can´t Taunt me. It also is my answer against Gyarados and Breeloms. With Leech Seed I usually force changes making them to suffer more by my Entry Hazards. Grass Knot because Tyranitar is more common than another Celebi. Since I have two weak Pokemon to Pursuit, I´m thinking in reemplacing it by a Breloom. Or by a Roserade, and then make Roserade the lead and change Tentacruel for another Bulky Water (maybe Vaporeon).

THINGS THAT WORRY ME
-Taunt Gliscor. That thing is able to anulate this team. It even has advantage over Taunted Skarmory 'cause Roost and Skarmory receiving recoil from Brave Bird. That is why I made Celebi a quick sub-seeder.
-Trick. It has became a very common move. In a defensive team Tricking a Choice Scraf means one Pokemon being anulated. Since Tentacruel is the Pokemon I less use, and it usually doesn´t Rapid Spins, I use it to receive the Choice Scraft.
-Substitute Heatran. Blissey can´t touch Heatran, so free turn to Substitute and if it has Earth Power, Tentacruel is screwed.
-Breloom. I haven´t any Rest Talk Pokemon, so I usually allows it to sleep one of my Pokemon and then proceed to try to stall it with Celebi.
-MixNite. I check a Dragonite with Hippowdown using Slack Off. Yet MixNite is...very annoying for a stall team.
-Azelf Lead. Hippowdown is Taunted, maybe I´m Tricket and unlike Spiritomb, Dusknoir can be damaged by Psychic. For that reason I´m thinking in using Skarmory as lead (and because Roserade).

 

[The Black Hippopotas]

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[greg3064]

I would definitely suggest using a different lead. That Hippowdon can't stand up to most Taunters. You should try Ice Fang over Roar first, as that may solve some issues (would check to make sure it 2HKOs stuff like Azelf, as then it will most likely Taunt + SR). Also, you will be better off if you can Ice Fang MixMence after it Draco Meteors you rather than just Roar it away, as it can still come in to cause trouble.

On Skarmory, I wouldn't necessarily say that Steels are on the decline, since F/W/G cores are becoming more common without Mence. That said, Shed Shell does save you from the odd Magnezone, which you might encounter if your opponent is setting up for a Nite sweep, for example.

Seismic Toss over Flamethrower on Blissey will take care of SubTran, although with Toxic it can wear you down a bit. Flamethrower does take care of some stuff but you probably don't want to be checking Lucario or Scizor with Blissey, as they'll KO you unless you get them on the switch.

I wouldn't bet on DynamicPunch with Dusknoir. 50% accuracy really isn't much to go off of. Will-o-Wisp can cripple Scizor and Tyranitar just fine and then they won't cause trouble for your team anymore. It does make you more Heatran weak, however.

The biggest issue I can see is SubTran, as it can Toxic or OHKO all of your walls. For that reason I think giving Blissey Seismic Toss is necessary.

 

[Rayquaza2233]

Curious, why do you run Rest over HP Electric on Tentacruel?

 

[The Black Hippopotas]

I would definitely suggest using a different lead. That Hippowdon can't stand up to most Taunters. You should try Ice Fang over Roar first, as that may solve some issues (would check to make sure it 2HKOs stuff like Azelf, as then it will most likely Taunt + SR). Also, you will be better off if you can Ice Fang MixMence after it Draco Meteors you rather than just Roar it away, as it can still come in to cause trouble.

On Skarmory, I wouldn't necessarily say that Steels are on the decline, since F/W/G cores are becoming more common without Mence. That said, Shed Shell does save you from the odd Magnezone, which you might encounter if your opponent is setting up for a Nite sweep, for example.

Seismic Toss over Flamethrower on Blissey will take care of SubTran, although with Toxic it can wear you down a bit. Flamethrower does take care of some stuff but you probably don't want to be checking Lucario or Scizor with Blissey, as they'll KO you unless you get them on the switch.

I wouldn't bet on DynamicPunch with Dusknoir. 50% accuracy really isn't much to go off of. Will-o-Wisp can cripple Scizor and Tyranitar just fine and then they won't cause trouble for your team anymore. It does make you more Heatran weak, however.

The biggest issue I can see is SubTran, as it can Toxic or OHKO all of your walls. For that reason I think giving Blissey Seismic Toss is necessary.

Yes. Seismic Toss should be over Flamethower.

F/W/G cores? What Pokemon are they? (EDIT: Oh, Fire/Water/Grass. The Vappy-Tran-Celebi).

DynamicPunch in Gravity has 82% accuracy, so it turns a viable option. Will-o-Wisp would ruin the Toxic sinergy.

Curious, why do you run Rest over HP Electric on Tentacruel?

Because I have Celebi, so HP Electric isn´t so neccesary.

 

[Shizzle]

Lol, this team is basically obistall with Dusknoir over Spiritomb.

Obi gave Blissey Wish for a reason, that is to pass healing around which can also force switches/rack up residual damage, and the combination of Wish + Protect added an extra turn for Toxic Spikes/Sandstorm to do their thing. You don't need Aromatherapy on this team, Celebi is capable of taking Status. Also Wish allows you to switch to pokemon much easier. I mean sure Celebi has Recover, but can you switch to Celebi, let Celebi take the hit, and then you have to hope Celebi survives the next hit to recover off the damage. Wish makes switching much more easy, and allows you to switch to healthy pokemon.

Rest on Tentacruel isn't good even with Aromatherapy support, as things like SD Lucario and DD Gyarados can come in freely. I mean usually you would be fine, but if Celebi has less than 75% HP, then SD Lucario is going to beat it, and if Gyarados has Bounce say goodbye to the game. Hidden Power [Electric] is the better move, you can always Wish pass from Blissey to Tenta to regain HP.

As for Dusknoir, what on earth are you thinking? Gravity?? Its a waste of a move here, I mean Ice Punch deals with both Gliscor and Dragonite, no? The problem with Dusknoir in OU, is that he can either be a Physical Wall, or Special Wall, and not both thanks to shitty HP. Personally I feel that you currently get demolished by Stall Breakers, so I am going to suggest something a little strange. SubPainSplit Gengar. Not only will he help you defeat dangerous threats such as Gliscor/Dragonite/Infernape, but with he can stall moderately well against thing with Substitute/PainSplit, and hit foes hard with Shadow Ball.

 

[Curtains]

Gravity is hurting this team more than helping it. Skarmory will be very voulnerable to the likes of metagross and basically any ground user like LO shaymin with earthpower which is very common now.If you want to get a good spin blocker suck it up and buy a damn AR and get rotom-A. Or steal obi's team even more and get spiritomb over dusknoir. With gravity you can potentially let infernape have a almost perfect accuracy +2 focus blast and fire blast which devastates this team. Your just opening to many doors for your smart opponents when you use gravity on a stall team. And plus you dont have anymoves outside of dynamic punch that benefits gravity. And still it has almost the same accuracy as stone edge (ugg).

Perish song celebi was there for a reason, to create a winning condition, so change that.

Basically obi's team is better than this any year because his team was thought out. This team loses to the more modern stall team anyway.

 

[SilentRevolver]

If I may suggest a differant Spread of Ev's on Dusknoir?

DUSKNOIR
Item-Leftovers
Nature-Careful
EV's-252HP, 200SpDef, 52AtK
Moves-PainSplit, ShadowSneak, Will-O-Wisp, EarthQuake

With this EV Spread Dusknoir will be able to counter Heatran for the most part (an exception is if Heatran has recieved a flash fire boost) and then KO heatran VIA Earthquake. I would drop Gravity Completely as once you set it up your stratagy is given away and people will know your plans. Considering your running WoW no defence EV's are really nessecary imo since a Max IV dusknoir still has a Defence stat of 306 which is pretty darn high with no EV investment. The Attack EV's so you can hurt Gengar. Max HP because it's Dusknoir and he has crappy HP.....I belive I haven't explained Pain Split. Pain Split because dusknoir needs some sort of healing move. Although Rest is perfectly fine considering you have Bliss for Aromatherapy.

 

[The Black Hippopotas]

Lol, this team is basically obistall with Dusknoir over Spiritomb.

Obi gave Blissey Wish for a reason, that is to pass healing around which can also force switches/rack up residual damage, and the combination of Wish + Protect added an extra turn for Toxic Spikes/Sandstorm to do their thing. You don't need Aromatherapy on this team, Celebi is capable of taking Status. Also Wish allows you to switch to pokemon much easier. I mean sure Celebi has Recover, but can you switch to Celebi, let Celebi take the hit, and then you have to hope Celebi survives the next hit to recover off the damage. Wish makes switching much more easy, and allows you to switch to healthy pokemon.

Rest on Tentacruel isn't good even with Aromatherapy support, as things like SD Lucario and DD Gyarados can come in freely. I mean usually you would be fine, but if Celebi has less than 75% HP, then SD Lucario is going to beat it, and if Gyarados has Bounce say goodbye to the game. Hidden Power [Electric] is the better move, you can always Wish pass from Blissey to Tenta to regain HP.

As for Dusknoir, what on earth are you thinking? Gravity?? Its a waste of a move here, I mean Ice Punch deals with both Gliscor and Dragonite, no? The problem with Dusknoir in OU, is that he can either be a Physical Wall, or Special Wall, and not both thanks to shitty HP. Personally I feel that you currently get demolished by Stall Breakers, so I am going to suggest something a little strange. SubPainSplit Gengar. Not only will he help you defeat dangerous threats such as Gliscor/Dragonite/Infernape, but with he can stall moderately well against thing with Substitute/PainSplit, and hit foes hard with Shadow Ball.

Yeah. Obi Stall is the basis. And I´ve tried to do it as different as possible >_<

The thing about Blissey is that this cleric set saves me from repentine storm of Thunder Waves and I don´t have to be worried about Toxic too. I feel Aromatherapy-Softboiled Blissey + Rest Tentacruel (+Rest Spiritomb in the beginning) have more sinergy than Wish.

About Gravity, yes, you have reason. Also, I´ve been having problems just setting Gravity.

Gravity is hurting this team more than helping it. Skarmory will be very voulnerable to the likes of metagross and basically any ground user like LO shaymin with earthpower which is very common now.If you want to get a good spin blocker suck it up and buy a damn AR and get rotom-A. Or steal obi's team even more and get spiritomb over dusknoir. With gravity you can potentially let infernape have a almost perfect accuracy +2 focus blast and fire blast which devastates this team. Your just opening to many doors for your smart opponents when you use gravity on a stall team. And plus you dont have anymoves outside of dynamic punch that benefits gravity. And still it has almost the same accuracy as stone edge (ugg).

Perish song celebi was there for a reason, to create a winning condition, so change that.

Basically obi's team is better than this any year because his team was thought out. This team loses to the more modern stall team anyway.

Uh. Is a Wi-fi Tournament. So NO ROTOMS ARE ALLOWED.

And Perish Song can create a winning condition, but this SubSeed Celebi has worked well annoying opponeng and forcing changes. And what is more important. Is the ONLY THING that isn´t screwed by Taunt Gliscor (Hippowdown can´t touch it, Skarmory loses 1 vs 1 since is Taunted and its attack reccoils it, Tentacruel is slower and dies from EQ, Blissey is Blissey and Dusknoir/Spiritomb are the same as Skarmory).

If I may suggest a differant Spread of Ev's on Dusknoir?

DUSKNOIR
Item-Leftovers
Nature-Careful
EV's-252HP, 200SpDef, 52AtK
Moves-PainSplit, ShadowSneak, Will-O-Wisp, EarthQuake

With this EV Spread Dusknoir will be able to counter Heatran for the most part (an exception is if Heatran has recieved a flash fire boost) and then KO heatran VIA Earthquake. I would drop Gravity Completely as once you set it up your stratagy is given away and people will know your plans. Considering your running WoW no defence EV's are really nessecary imo since a Max IV dusknoir still has a Defence stat of 306 which is pretty darn high with no EV investment. The Attack EV's so you can hurt Gengar. Max HP because it's Dusknoir and he has crappy HP.....I belive I haven't explained Pain Split. Pain Split because dusknoir needs some sort of healing move. Although Rest is perfectly fine considering you have Bliss for Aromatherapy.

Thanks. I´ll try it.

 

[Shizzle]

You don't get it. You have 3 pokemon that can handle Thunder Wave, being Hippodowon, Blissey and Celebi, and another 4 that can take a Toxic, Skarmory, Celebi, Blissey and Tentacruel. Why on earth do you need aromatherapy?

 

[Enygma]

You don't get it. You have 3 pokemon that can handle Thunder Wave, being Hippodowon, Blissey and Celebi, and another 4 that can take a Toxic, Skarmory, Celebi, Blissey and Tentacruel. Why on earth do you need aromatherapy?

Although Celebi and Blissey can just switch out to heal from poison, they are still vulnerable to it. In fact, his whole team is weak to Toxic Spikes, barring Skarm and Tenta. When facing opposing stall teams, his would lose because his is RIDICULOUSLY weak to Toxic Spikes should Tenta be dead. Aromatherapy is absolutely needed.

 

[Azlanslayer]

Although Celebi and Blissey can just switch out to heal from poison, they are still vulnerable to it. In fact, his whole team is weak to Toxic Spikes, barring Skarm and Tenta. When facing opposing stall teams, his would lose because his is RIDICULOUSLY weak to Toxic Spikes should Tenta be dead. Aromatherapy is absolutely needed.

No,Actually,Tenta Can Absorb It So You Dont Need Aromatherapy........

Now,Actually You Might Need Suicune As He Stalls And Take PP Until They Struggle....Just Suggesting..Idk Anything About Stalling

 

[greg3064]

Although Celebi and Blissey can just switch out to heal from poison, they are still vulnerable to it. In fact, his whole team is weak to Toxic Spikes, barring Skarm and Tenta. When facing opposing stall teams, his would lose because his is RIDICULOUSLY weak to Toxic Spikes should Tenta be dead. Aromatherapy is absolutely needed.

If Tenta goes down, he can't remove the Toxic Spikes so anything weak to them will be poisoned on entry anyway. Even with Aromatherapy his team will be perpetually poisoned.