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New OU List (September 2010)
- Thread starter RBG
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Heracross is UU? My prediction is that Houndoom is going to dip in usage quite a bit, since Scarfcross destroys any Nasty Plot set with either Megahorn, Close Combat, Earthquake or Stone Edge. Or at the least, Houndoom will use Flamethrower on the switch instead of Nasty Plot, making Arcanine more popular.
There are just so many better choices out there. Late game cleaner? Infernape or Lucario do that better.
Mid-game attacker? Electivire isn't hitting much with its 75 BP Thunderpunch or Thunderbolt off a decidedly average 95 SpA. Maybe if it had retained Electabuzz's base 105 speed, or had a strong physical STAB move to speak of.
Mid-game attacker? Electivire isn't hitting much with its 75 BP Thunderpunch or Thunderbolt off a decidedly average 95 SpA. Maybe if it had retained Electabuzz's base 105 speed, or had a strong physical STAB move to speak of.
Well you have people using the all awesome ninjask leads. I honestly don't know why people use Weavile though.
Lol, Ninjask leads are funny. Taunt + Rage Quit.
Or Roar + Rage Quit if I'm running Swampert.
Weavile is actually rather beastly this time around. Without Mence, it no longer has to run that weak ass Ice Shard, and can just run around tossing Ice Punch all over the place.Plus, if you manage to keep rocks on the field (which is easy because it has flawless synergy with Starmie), there's a surprisingly large amount of attacks it can survive, especially on the special front. If your prediction skills are anywhere near worth shit, you'll discover the payoff and realize exactly why that little weasel is still OU.Electivire and Ninjask work against the LCD, as we all know, so as long as people at the bottom of the ladder get their wins, they're going to continue to use them until they're in the big leagues and discover those gimmicks no longer work all that well.
No good STAB/not enough power to do anything with its awesome coverage.
The best thing E-Vire has going for it in OU is that it looks awesomely cool.
Weavile is actually worse than before. It wasnt being used by people when it could trap Latias and check Mence why would people use it now?
Of course 90% of UU will start the new test with a OMG HERA IS BROKEN CAN WE BAN HIM NOW I DUN WANNA MAKE A NEW TEAM WAAAAH mindset and it will get the quick boot with only theorymon >.>
So now that shaymin is finally in OU, what do you think about competition between it and the other legendary grass type, Celebi? Both have base 100 for all their stats and assuming both are built defensively, which one would be more popular?
Celebi resists fighting type moves and has instant recovery, but dies to pursuit and shadow ball while Shaymin has no instant recovery but isn't trapped by pursuit.
Verdict? Is the pursuit weakness more important than lack of instant recovery?
Celebi resists fighting type moves and has instant recovery, but dies to pursuit and shadow ball while Shaymin has no instant recovery but isn't trapped by pursuit.
Verdict? Is the pursuit weakness more important than lack of instant recovery?
Seconding this question
Because, like I said before, now it gets to use Ice Punch instead of Ice Shard, which opens up an incredible number of avenues for it to wreak havoc. Things it had trouble denting before, like Celebi, Gliscor, Breloom, Zapdos, and Shaymin, are now either OHKOed or 2HKOed by Ice Punch. I used to run LO in the Salamence era out of fear that being locked into Ice Shard would make it epic setup fodder, but now that I can run the standard CB set, there are so many more KOs I can garner and attacks it can survive, that it's made its way on some of my most successful teams (two of which have peaked in the 1520s).
Defensively, Celebi is better. It doesn't really fear ScarfTar's Pursuit all that much and can take a Crunch, so all it has to do is Thunder Wave and react accordingly. Its Psychic typing also helps with Machamp and Breloom, at the cost of being vulnerable to Gengar a bit more. Plus, Grass Knot is more than enough for a defensive set.
Shaymin really shines as a bulky attacker/Scarf user. Seed Flare is a godsend for it as a Grass-type, and Natural Rest is a great asset to have. Its coverage is wide enough to toss together an effective Scarf set, and it has plenty of opportunities to switch in. SubSeed sets are more effective as well, since Seed Flare forces mad switches.
Weaville is better than Electivire and Ninjask because teams usually have something to deal with those two (even without taking them into too much consideration when building a team). Weaville is grossly underestimated in the current game and could really surprise once it's main counters are taken out (e.g. Scizor).
Hera's seriously gonna rape shit in UU...
And I'd like to vouch for the effectiveness of CB Weavile this time around, although Ice Shard is still very useful for dispatching of DD Dragonite. It's also excellent for getting rid of LO Starmie and SubSplit Gengar, 2 of the biggest threats in the meta.
And I'd like to vouch for the effectiveness of CB Weavile this time around, although Ice Shard is still very useful for dispatching of DD Dragonite. It's also excellent for getting rid of LO Starmie and SubSplit Gengar, 2 of the biggest threats in the meta.
