Haxorus

Omnipresent said:
You both have very valid points.

I see it as they are both equal oppurtunists. Garchomp and Salamence can destroy walls, this thing has Taunt, can stop Skarmory's whirlwind, G and S both are faster, they both have a "bulkiness to them", Ono is more powerful and has no quad weakness to ice, and can work around Skarmory i.e. Magnezone, etc, and quite honestly, it's funny to see it get overhyped, then see people say it sucks in comparison to Garchomp and Salamence, who apparently does the job better.

But then people are gonna get swept by it, because people underestimate it of course.

Also, creating paragraphs and separating huge walls of text makes it easier to read your guys' theories better. It also makes sure our eyes are happy and strain-free :)
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I do try to make my posts as friendly to the eye as possible :)

Anyway, I don't see any reason to hype this thing, it's true that with all the hard hitters introduced in gen V, Ono's defences can't make it. I don't think 90 defences, which were considered "passable" in DPP makes the cut anymore. Too many attackers with over 120 as an attack stat.

However it still has that unique niche of a taunting dragon, and the ignoring the attack is stupid. That's why I say this thing breaks walls and makes a good anti-lead. You want your anti lead to hit as hard as possible. Ono can do it.

Just my two cents. I have no idea what to make of many of the new pokemon.
 
You have a very valid point on the aggression that these new pokemon have. So far it seems like we'll have to play more diligently.

I'm unsure what Gen V will bring us, whether it is overhyped or not at all. It surely is strong, greatest part is finding out.
 
ono will pwn tauntridos anytime >_>

although i think he's overhyped, i wouldn't want to underestimate him either, as mentioned earlier, 147 attack WILL hurt, especially from something that does what gyarados can do but without a quad weakness.
 
Ononokusu could run a set like this to get around ScarfGon and faster threats.

Ononokusu @ Salac Berry
Ability:Mold Breaker
Adamant Nature (+Atk,-SAtk)
252 Atk /252 Spe /4Def 30 HP IVs
-Substitute
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw/Outrage
-Fire Punch/Earthquake

A set like this could handle ScarfGon and other Scarf Revenge killers quite well. Switch Onono into something it forces out. Sub on the switches. If the opponent sends in a faster threat such as ScarfGon, Sub until Salac Berry activates, then DD as he break your last Sub or even better if they hurt himself in his confusion(Outrage), you can get another DD ending up with +1/+2 or +2/+3 and proceed to sweeping his team. 30 HP IVs allows Onono to activate hit pinch berry at 25% health instead of 1%
 
scarletnova said:
Ononokusu could run a set like this to get around ScarfGon and faster threats.

Ononokusu @ Salac Berry
Ability:Mold Breaker
Adamant Nature (+Atk,-SAtk)
252 Atk /252 Spe /4Def 30 HP IVs
-Substitute
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw/Outrage
-Fire Punch/Earthquake

A set like this could handle ScarfGon and other Scarf Revenge killers quite well. Switch Onono into something it forces out. Sub on the switches. If the opponent sends in a faster threat such as ScarfGon, Sub until Salac Berry activates, then DD as he break your last Sub or even better if they hurt himself in his confusion(Outrage), you can get another DD ending up with +1/+2 or +2/+3 and proceed to sweeping his team. 30 HP IVs allows Onono to activate hit pinch berry at 25% health instead of 1%
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This set is indeed sexy. It'll make for a good twist on his sub set, and blow alot of it's plausible counters out the way. It'll suffer more against the phazers, but if anything the phazers will be taking some hefty damage by switching let alone getting mauled later on. If it could get fire punch I would definitely be more excited since those phazers would be checked tremendously. Priority moves will cut this ones life span short as well.
 
scarletnova said:
Ononokusu could run a set like this to get around ScarfGon and faster threats.

Ononokusu @ Salac Berry
Ability:Mold Breaker
Adamant Nature (+Atk,-SAtk)
252 Atk /252 Spe /4Def 30 HP IVs
-Substitute
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw/Outrage
-Fire Punch/Earthquake

A set like this could handle ScarfGon and other Scarf Revenge killers quite well. Switch Onono into something it forces out. Sub on the switches. If the opponent sends in a faster threat such as ScarfGon, Sub until Salac Berry activates, then DD as he break your last Sub or even better if they hurt himself in his confusion(Outrage), you can get another DD ending up with +1/+2 or +2/+3 and proceed to sweeping his team. 30 HP IVs allows Onono to activate hit pinch berry at 25% health instead of 1%
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with a weakness to sandstorm/hail, being neutral to any priority and general difficults to set up due to his frailness this set is never gonna work like almost any sub pinch sets, except for empoleon who can pull this off due to lots of resistances, moderate bulk and resistance to the most common priority.

the idea of a substitute set however seems attrackting since he can ko back many of things that wants to revenge dd/sd sets.
 
this pokemon looks nice on offensive teams and all, but offensive players will have to find a way to break through the new "forry" + water/ghost combo, the former walling this dragon... at least it gets taunt so stall can't set up on it
 
Sparko said:
this pokemon looks nice on offensive teams and all, but offensive players will have to find a way to break through the new "forry" + water/ghost combo, the former walling this dragon... at least it gets taunt so stall can't set up on it
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The new Forry wont be walling it well. Especially if it thinks it'll setup hazards while Ono gains access to taunt. Also, I have calc'ed numbers on the new forry, with Ono still taking huge chunks off of it's HP. Like my above post:

Adamant Ono@ Lefties w/ +1 Earthquake vs. impish Natto 252 def/252 hp= 33.5%- 39.2%

Ada Ono@ Lefties w/ +2 EQ vs imp Natto 252 def/252 hp= deals 44.3-52.3% to it.

And if it isn't running explosion, I really wont be worried about it.
 
AxelLow said:
The new Forry wont be walling it well. Especially if it thinks it'll setup hazards while Ono gains access to taunt. Also, I have calc'ed numbers on the new forry, with Ono still taking huge chunks off of it's HP. Like my above post:

Adamant Ono@ Lefties w/ +1 Earthquake vs. impish Natto 252 def/252 hp= 33.5%- 39.2%

Ada Ono@ Lefties w/ +2 EQ vs imp Natto 252 def/252 hp= deals 44.3-52.3% to it.

And if it isn't running explosion, I really wont be worried about it.
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Meanwhile, minimum Attack Relaxed 0 IV Gyro Ball does 57.3% - 67.6%. Have fun with that... especially if you decide to try and Taunt it.
 
blasphemy1 said:
Meanwhile, minimum Attack Relaxed 0 IV Gyro Ball does 57.3% - 67.6%. Have fun with that... especially if you decide to try and Taunt it.
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well that sure as hell sounds painful, but I'll take me risk :)

Any case though, it's already been confirmed to be a good check to Ono, and that gyro ball calc really hurts. Natto would have to not be running either gyro ball or explosion, which I dont see happening. If anything, Ono will just have to taunt it off, take the hit, and switch to the proper counter for it.
 
AxelLow said:
well that sure as hell sounds painful, but I'll take me risk :)

Any case though, it's already been confirmed to be a good check to Ono, and that gyro ball calc really hurts. Natto would have to not be running either gyro ball or explosion, which I dont see happening. If anything, Ono will just have to taunt it off, take the hit, and switch to the proper counter for it.
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I see Ono being threatening enough to the new forry that it runs Gyro because of that.
 
If you are worried about scarf Flygon just run Hadan Berry. With no defensive investment you take 58.36% - 68.94% which, while a bit, still lets you survive and take down a revenge killer. Something like Haban Ononokusu could make an excellent lure for a dragon revenger and then you can set up like a DD salamence (for example) with Flygon out of the way
 
ouch that gyroball calc is tough but yeah I would risk the taunt/sd too, if they have gyro I'll just switch to another pokemon since it probably won't have explosion, then I can set up...

I'm guessing we'll have to rely on the ghost/fire poke + ono to beat most of stall's cores then.... man I hope this new metagame won't be defensive but abit fast paced for once...
 
Sparko said:
ouch that gyroball calc is tough but yeah I would risk the taunt/sd too, if they have gyro I'll just switch to another pokemon since it probably won't have explosion, then I can set up...

I'm guessing we'll have to rely on the ghost/fire poke + ono to beat most of stall's cores then.... man I hope this new metagame won't be defensive but abit fast paced for once...
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I feel that Shanderaa will just be on so many teams. It helps Dory (mole) when Breloom tries to ruin shop, The Grass Steel pokemon, The water/ghost pringles wannabe, it's just a great supporter in general.
 
Omnipresent said:
I feel that Shanderaa will just be on so many teams. It helps Dory (mole) when Breloom tries to ruin shop, The Grass Steel pokemon, The water/ghost pringles wannabe, it's just a great supporter in general.
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core of shandera/ onu/ mole pokemon anyone? offense is lookin' strong... (yeah sorry I don't know these pokes' real names :/)

there's also that dark/dragon pokemon I'd be willing to use... resists all of rotom's moves, has pursuit, doesn't really fear wow if specially based... dang
 
Sparko said:
core of shandera/ onu/ mole pokemon anyone? offense is lookin' strong... (yeah sorry I don't know these pokes' real names :/)

there's also that dark/dragon pokemon I'd be willing to use... resists all of rotom's moves, has pursuit, doesn't really fear wow if specially based... dang
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I'm glad that you brought him up, because I was wondering why a thread has not been made specifically for him yet, I'm curious to read more on him, yet lazy to the point where I don't wanna make one, lol.
 
@CWW
Coz Chomp gets Pwned if it switches in to a DD
@Omnipresent
Remember where Wobbufett Went?
@Sparko
resists all of rotom's moves? Blizzard?


SubSalacDD Onono also makes sure Weavile can't do crap to it and can't be burnt, toxicated, t-waved etc
 
scarletnova said:
SubSalacDD Onono also makes sure Weavile can't do crap to it and can't be burnt, toxicated, t-waved etc
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That can be said of any Pokemon...If set up correctly.

And even if you do, a sweep is really unlikely since Sand will be pretty popular..

Anything Ono can do, so can Dragonite,Garchomp and Salamence do aswell.And Salamence is the better DD, Garchomp the better Swords dancer. etc.
 
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