Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

So for the red gyarados RNGing, how do I find a time for the IVs? The main posts say that it is the same method used for chained shinies; what method is that? (1/2/j/k/etc.).
Also, how would I use the seed to time on RNG Reporter? (the capture tab?)

Also, it says that the starting frame isn't 1. So then, what do I need to do? Where does it start?
 
joshk_bra said:
thanks, that clears some confusion up :D

so im using this seed 4a020353. Method J says my target frame is 124. So i hit my delay, advance 123 times, then i use Sweet Scent. Looked at its IVs and got IVs on frame 118.

Can someone help with this? Or am i using the wrong method to catch pokemon?
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Well, since I'm guessing your sweet scent is only +1, you'd Journal advance 61 times, turn (or move) just 1 way. To advance it to 123 than sweet scent and it should land on 124.
Unless if there is some NPC's moving than you might have some trouble.
 
Winters Zombie said:
Well, since I'm guessing your sweet scent is only +1, you'd Journal advance 61 times, turn (or move) just 1 way. To advance it to 123 than sweet scent and it should land on 124.
Unless if there is some NPC's moving than you might have some trouble.
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ahhh but im RNGing in SS, forgot to mention that :P

But i read up that it it advances *your actual frame* +6 or something?
so my actual is 179+6= 185. Where do i stop to use sweet scent? dawwww im confused
 
joshk_bra said:
ahhh but im RNGing in SS, forgot to mention that :P

But i read up that it it advances *your actual frame* +6 or something?
so my actual is 179+6= 185. Where do i stop to use sweet scent? dawwww im confused
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You don't need to worry about that +6. Or actual frame. That has nothing to do with what you're doing right now.
What the +6 means, is how much catching a Poke advances. So since you're trying to catch something, that has nothing to with advancing your frame for the starting catch. Actual frame is where the spread is normally without a synch, I believe. So you don't need to worry about that.

So you call up to -1 of the frame (since thats what sweet scent advances for you). So if you need frame 200, you'd call 199 times, than sweet scent for frame 200.
 
Winters Zombie said:
You don't need to worry about that +6. Or actual frame. That has nothing to do with what you're doing right now.
What the +6 means, is how much catching a Poke advances. So since you're trying to catch something, that has nothing to with advancing your frame for the starting catch. Actual frame is where the spread is normally without a synch, I believe. So you don't need to worry about that.

So you call up to -1 of the frame (since thats what sweet scent advances for you). So if you need frame 200, you'd call 199 times, than sweet scent for frame 200.
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Thanks for the help :D

I'll try again later. I wasted to much time doing it wrong haha
 
Decided to give the Honey Trees a try today. I did all my calculations and what not, but I didn't get the Pokemon I wanted to appear in the tree. I'm hoping someone can look over my calcs and such and tell me where I might have gone wrong.

SID = 22895 = 596F
TID = 59436 = E82C

Alright, here are my trainer ID and secret IDs. I converted them to Hex.

[QQ] = 59
[RR] = 6F
[SS] = E8
[TT] = 2C

I separated the values per the instructions.

[QQ] = 89/21 = 4 R5
[RR] = 111/21 = 5 R6
[SS] = 232/21 = 11 R1
[TT] = 44/21 = 2 R2

I converted each from Hex to Decimal and then divided by 21 (decimal) and noted the remainders.

[WW] = 5 = Route 209
[XX] = 6 = Route 210 S*
[YY] = 1 = Route 205 N*
[ZZ] = 2 = Route 206

I used the remainders to find my Munchlax tree locations.

Here is the seed I used when I slathered the Honey tree on Route 210 South. I disabled the wandering NPC by battling her.

Seed: f107099a

E540 - 58688 - 89
E7E7 - 59367 - 90
6B13 - 27411 - 41 (Frame 8)
0982 - 2434 - 3 (Frame 9)
544F - 21583 - 32

This list shows Frames 6-10 for Method 1 generation of the above seed. I converted each last 4 hex digits to decimal and divided by 656 per the directions. Since I believe this to be a Munchlax tree, I chose to use Frames 8 and 9 to get my random values for the Column and Row of the Pokemon.

Here is what I wanted:

Column 2
Row 6
Heracross

After hitting my seed, I performed the following actions to advance the RNG:

128 Steps w/ 5 in party
1 Journal flip

That should have advanced the RNG by 7, which lands on Frame 8. This logic seems to be consistent with the example given. I then slathered the honey tree.

I came back later and a Burmy was in the tree instead. That narrows it down to two possible Column/Row combos that I actually hit, but I'm not sure which one it is.

If I have done something wrong please let me know. For now I guess I'll be RNG'ing a Burmy...joy...
 
Winters Zombie said:
No method J is plat I do believe, K is HGSS. So that might be where you went wrong as well.
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Method J= dppt
Method k=hgss

Also seen a mistake josha

Frame of sweet scent monsters are 2

Whatever you target. Frame is - 2 is the number of advancement you need. Look at guide 4 capture frames for references, as there are the same in hgss
 
DarkChaos (HCZ) said:
Method J= dppt
Method k=hgss

Also seen a mistake josha

Frame of sweet scent monsters are 2

Whatever you target. Frame is - 2 is the number of advancement you need. Look at guide 4 capture frames for references, as there are the same in hgss
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Sweet scent isn't always -2 for every game. Some people have -1, and others have -2. I've never seen a -1, but I know they exist.
 
Another question again guys, what is the difference between Elm and Irwin calls, and that why Elm calls are better the Irwin calls? This is because I want to do RNG pre-Elite 4. Thanks! :)
 
bian said:
Another question again guys, what is the difference between Elm and Irwin calls, and that why Elm calls are better the Irwin calls? This is because I want to do RNG pre-Elite 4. Thanks! :)
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The difference between Elm calls and Irwin, when you call Elm but can't yet receive all of his responses, where as Irwin doesn't have any requirements for all 3 different responses, and the Irwin calls correspond with Elm. Just different messages.

So all in all, Irwin is just an earlier form of Elm.

How to interpret Irwin calls:
A: Adventures (He tells you how thrilling he finds your adventures)
C= Call (He wanted to call you sooner)
H= How are you? (Very many "how" questions but starts with this one)

Now, A,C and H correspond to known Elm Method as the following:

A= E (Evolutions)
C=K(Kanto)
H=P (PKRS)

Taken from this post: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2650883&postcount=268
 
Yay! Thank you very much for that!! Now I can start RNG now. :D

Anyways, I'm still getting those 100000+ frame results when typing my minimum and maximum delay on PokeRNG (min-490, max-499). Can someone really guide me on how to do this? I still don't get it even though I got answer regarding this earlier. Thanks!
 
Edit: Scratch this post. New question.

Now that you have collected some data about your average delay and can accurately reset to the specified second, it is time to find out what frame you can hit consistently with a particular save. Follow these steps calibrate for frame.

I thought frame was what we manipulated with coin flips or journal flips? How can I calibrate for that. Is it different for breeding? I understand Shiny egg hatching with taps and flips. And catching perfect pokemon. How does breeding for IVs differ from catching?
 
Terakahn said:
Edit: Scratch this post. New question.

Now that you have collected some data about your average delay and can accurately reset to the specified second, it is time to find out what frame you can hit consistently with a particular save. Follow these steps calibrate for frame.

I thought frame was what we manipulated with coin flips or journal flips? How can I calibrate for that. Is it different for breeding? I understand Shiny egg hatching with taps and flips. And catching perfect pokemon. How does breeding for IVs differ from catching?
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IVs use a different rng than the shinyness. You're supposed to calibrate in dppt because there are enough npcs there to mess you up in fat area. This is really no different from the way catching work. Just when you catch, you're usually looking for a place without npcs.
 
bian said:
Yay! Thank you very much for that!! Now I can start RNG now. :D

Anyways, I'm still getting those 100000+ frame results when typing my minimum and maximum delay on PokeRNG (min-490, max-499). Can someone really guide me on how to do this? I still don't get it even though I got answer regarding this earlier. Thanks!
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Stop using 499 as the maximum. Use 1000. And are you using PokeRNGDP? People shorten it to PokeRNG on the forum, but when doing Gen 4, they mean PokeRNGDP.exe.
 
SS Legends are Method K
Most legends do not have any NPCs around them - to be sure, just walk the area and check. Enigma Stone Latias for example, is pretty clear that there are roaming NPCs.
Advancing the frame: roamers advance it a fixed amount, calling elm/joey, radio - look in the first page to know the full details.
 
Hey guys, lately I've been having some RNG problems and what-not with unexpected advancement, just stopping by to say that I succeeded with the HP Grass Electrike.

Thanks to anyone who helped me out, I'm sure I'll be back before long :P
 
OK, I've been trying like crazy to get this whole Pokewalker abuse down, needless to say it's not going well.

Using the 2031 - October 25, 02:13:58 / 02:13:59 spread.

If I use :58, I obtain Adamant, 29 / 30 / 30 / 0 / 30 / 1.
If I use :59, I obtain Brave, 29 / 6 / 26 / 8 / 24 / 1

Seems a couple of the IVs are staying the same (HP and Spe), but the rest change randomly. Done this 3+ times for each spread.

Anyone got any ideas on how I can hit that darned Brave spread with the right IVs, am I getting some sort of Emerald - esque splits here?

Anyone who helps me get this sorted gets credits :)
 
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