np: OU Suspect Testing Round 1 - ...wait, I'm not Jumpman16!

[domeface]

You're right, Smeargle wouldn't use Dark Void. That's because he would use Spore, which is better. Unfortunately, it's not the same as Soul Dew [anything but Lati@s], because Soul Dew doesn't give the same benefits (50% more SA and SD) to everything, while Dark Void does. And if Smeargle DID use Dark Void, he would not be broken, because he's already not broken with the same-but-better Spore. This shows that Dark Void isn't broken, and again, banning a non-broken component to try to make something that's broken with it not broken doesn't sit right with me.

It's irrelevant that SD doesn't do the same thing for every pokemon. The point is, Soul Dew is banned from every pokemon despite only being broken on two. This is because these pokemon would never use Soul Dew anyway, just as Smeargle would never use Dark Void. If Heatran held Soul Dew it wouldn't be broken, he would not be broken, because he's not broken with the undeniably superior [every item that has a positive effect]. We banned SD despite it being absolutely fine on almost every pokemon in the game.

I disagree with just banning Dark Void. If we ban Dark Void, it is essentially banning a singular move on a singular pokemon, which is exactly what Phil didn't want (move + pokemon banning). Not only that, but "tweaking" a pokemon so that it fits in OU is just ridiculous. Why not allow a level 86 (arbitrary number) Kyogre in OU? How about an Arceus without EVs or a Plate attached or Swords Dance + Extremespeed? This is also a slippery slope that is particularly dangerous; since we can delete moves from a pokemon's learnset, why not add them? Let's give Ampharos Tail Glow! Give Flareon Flare Blitz! Since we can edit a pokemon's moveset, why not edit abilities? What this will end up being is a "Standard" tier where most every pokemon is edited and on equal footing. Is that what we want? I don't think so.

EDIT: Domeface, the only 2 pokemon that can learn Dark Void are Smeargle and Darkrai. Smeargle can Sketch Spore, so why would Smeargle use Dark Void?

The reason Phil didn't want pokemon + move combination bans is because it creates the slippery slope you describe and massively overcomplicates the ruleset. However, it is the fact that doing this creates an infinite number of further possibilities for combination bans that they're undesirable. But if we outright ban a move and only one pokemon uses it, it achieves the same result while avoiding the slippery slope, as all we've done is placed a blanket ban on the move itself, since every pokemon that used it was broken (you say yourself that Smeargle would always use Spore over Dark Void. It may learn Dark Void, but it never uses it).

If you ban Dark Void you have to ban Spore, because it is simply a better version of Dark Void. There would be no reason not to ban Spore. If the move Dark Void is broken, can we can logically assume that its better clone would be just as broken. You can argue that Spore has poor distribution, but doesn't that then imply that Darkrai itself is broken, not Dark Void, because it matters more which Pokemon its on, not the move itself?

Spore wouldn't need to be banned because it isn't broken on all (or indeed any) of its users. Same reason we didn't ban Light Ball, Quick Powder, Thick Club, DeepSeaTooth etc (I'm aware that none of these directly outclass Soul Dew, but they are just generally more powerful items. Light Ball is a +2/+2 boost, while Dew is +1/+1. And the stats boosted by Light Ball are probably more useful than Dew's).

 

[ToastTyrant13]

If you ban Dark Void you have to ban Spore, because it is simply a better version of Dark Void. There would be no reason not to ban Spore. If the move Dark Void is broken, can we can logically assume that its better clone would be just as broken. You can argue that Spore has poor distribution, but doesn't that then imply that Darkrai itself is broken, not Dark Void, because it matters more which Pokemon its on, not the move itself?

Exactly, so why ban a move on an obviously Uber pokemon when you can just send that Uber suspect to Ubers. Darkrai's extaordinary stats, coverage, and moveset make it an absolute monster in OU. Besides, we would ruin the metagame if we were to ban Dark Void because we would have to ban Spore since it is obviously better. That would cause...

a)massive drop in Breloom usage, eliminating a good Doryuzzu/Swampert/T-Tar/etc. counter.

b)Loss of a good set up move for Smeargle, ruining Baton Pass teams.

While that may not seem like much, it makes a huge difference.

 

[cosmicexplorer]

It's irrelevant that SD doesn't do the same thing for every pokemon. The point is, Soul Dew is banned from every pokemon despite only being broken on two. This is because these pokemon would never use Soul Dew anyway, just as Smeargle would never use Dark Void. If Heatran held Soul Dew it wouldn't be broken, he would not be broken, because he's not broken with the undeniably superior [every item that has a positive effect]. We banned SD despite it being absolutely fine on almost every pokemon in the game.

The reason Soul Dew was banned was because it so modified Latias that it made it effectively a different pokemon. Base 110 SpA instead of base 189 SpA, along with base 130 SpD instead of base 219, is a monumental difference. Darkrai without Dark Void doesn't have that huge difference that Latias had; it's still a stupidly powerful special sweeper. Also, there is a slight flaw in that argument: Latias was later banned anyway, so it eventually was decided that the pokemon itself was overpowered, and not just the item.

 

[domeface]

The reason Soul Dew was banned was because it so modified Latias that it made it effectively a different pokemon. Base 110 SpA instead of base 189 SpA, along with base 130 SpD instead of base 219, is a monumental difference. Darkrai without Dark Void doesn't have that huge difference that Latias had; it's still a stupidly powerful special sweeper. Also, there is a slight flaw in that argument: Latias was later banned anyway, so it eventually was decided that the pokemon itself was overpowered, and not just the item.

In response to your first point, the difference may be smaller than in Soul Dew's case, but there is still a significant difference between DV Darkrai and Voidless Darkrai; enough of a difference to warrant a test IMO.
And yeah I know both Latis were proven Uber eventually, but the point is, Soul Dew was banned first and both Latis tested; if that was acceptable, why not the same with Voidless Darkrai?

 

[cosmicexplorer]

In response to your first point, the difference may be smaller than in Soul Dew's case, but there is still a significant difference between DV Darkrai and Voidless Darkrai; enough of a difference to warrant a test IMO.
And yeah I know both Latis were proven Uber eventually, but the point is, Soul Dew was banned first and both Latis tested; if that was acceptable, why not the same with Voidless Darkrai?

Testing non-Void Darkrai sets a VERY dangerous precedent which will waste our time for the rest of the generation.

Which is why even testing it is a bad idea, unless the aspect of the pokemon is so overpoweringly the reason why the pokemon is broken in the first place. Dark Void is not that with Darkrai. But even testing something like this sets a precedent that could be used to justify pokemon-with-move bans that aren't anywhere near as reasonable as Darkrai's Dark Void (which isn't that reasonable itself). It will also take a while to test and be hard to quantify; because of this, even testing it is a waste of time and will probably cause more harm than good.

 

[TLK]

The problem with banning stuff like Dark Void and not just sleep as a whole, is that you have to then do the same for other stuff which breaks Pokemon. Should we test a Shaymin-S without Seed Flare (which, like Darkrai is only potentially to be used on two or three Pokemon - Shaymin, Shaymin-S and Smeargle)? Or more broadly like someone said, a Salamence without Outrage; Latios without Draco; etc. Where do you draw the line?

 

[Leman]

Spore wouldn't need to be banned because it isn't broken on all (or indeed any) of its users. Same reason we didn't ban Light Ball, Quick Powder, Thick Club, DeepSeaTooth etc (I'm aware that none of these directly outclass Soul Dew, but they are just generally more powerful items. Light Ball is a +2/+2 boost, while Dew is +1/+1. And the stats boosted by Light Ball are probably more useful than Dew's).

There is the flaw of your argument. The moves do not matter nearly as much as the users do. The fact that Spore, an obviously, numerically better move (and your Soul Dew comparison fails simply because it and the other items are not directly comparable; there is no item that can give +2 SAtk/+2 SDef) is not broken according to you, because the Pokemon they are on are not good enough. However for you Dark Void, the weaker move, is broken, because Darkrai has it. If you want Dark Void banned you need to explain why the move itself (and then obviously by extension, Spore) are broken, not just that it will make Darkrai manageable.

Also, Dark Void is not broken on all its users. Smeargle is not broken with Spore, so it can't be broken with Dark Void.

 

[Mario With Lasers]

Spore wouldn't need to be banned because it isn't broken on all (or indeed any) of its users.

Wait, you mean "it doesn't make all (or indeed any) of its users broken", right?

 

[XienZo]

Anyway, if we tested Darkrai without Dark Void, we'd have to try Shaymin without Seed Flare as well. Perhaps try banning both Judgement and Elemental Plates as well? Manaphy without Tail Glow should be given a shot, because Volbeat isn't all that viable anyway(jk guys, don't kill me). Don't forget Fire Dance-less Urgamoth. For that matter, Sand Throw isn't that viable on anything besides Dory (after all, who'd use Sandslash when we still have Dory?), so we could get rid of that instead.

Of course, it's not banning a certain move on a certain poke. It'd just be a blanket Seed Flare/Judgement/Sand Throw etc. ban, on ALL pokemon with access to those, so it's not like we're specifically targeting certain pokemon.

 

[More Cowbell]

Jesus fucking CHRIST.

Just relax, I wasn't pointing it at you. Still I disagree with your point, banning Dark Void on everything that gets it still has the same result, as Smeargle will only use Spore anyways. And if Dark Void gets banned, I think Spore should be banned too - I don't care if it isn't broken on anything that carries it (though it can be argued for Breloom), but a better version of a banned move should be banned, IMO.

Also, your point about Soul Dew makes no sense; Item Clause only meant that no two pokemon on your team could use the same item, and it was never a standard clause anyway. It had nothing to do with Soul Dew.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up, I'm not all that into clauses and such. You get what I mean, I suppose.

 

[TLK]

I think Spore should be banned too - I don't care if it isn't broken on anything that carries it (though it can be argued for Breloom)

No, it can't be argued for Breloom. It's annoying, but not broken, it's just an awesome Pokemon with loads of advantages to it, despite only having one truly stellar stat.

Is Sleep broken as a whole? Maybe, it's always been awesome, but now stuff is pretty much as good as dead unless it's a sleep talker - but the only sleep user that is broken itself is Darkrai.

 

[More Cowbell]

No, it can't be argued for Breloom. It's annoying, but not broken, it's just an awesome Pokemon with loads of advantages to it, despite only having one truly stellar stat.

Is Sleep broken as a whole? Maybe, it's always been awesome, but now stuff is pretty much as good as dead unless it's a sleep talker - but the only sleep user that is broken itself is Darkrai.

Spore something slower than you (or endure the hit and then Spore), kick up a Sub on the switch, and then bash away with Bullet Seed/Seed Bomb and Focus Punch/Mach Punch. If your team is unprepared you're going down.

Not saying it is broken, but I think just about anything can be argued to be broken, as long as it is backed up well enough.

 

[weeheehoo]

Spore is a better move than Dark Void, and Domeface himself has said that Spore is not broken. He said that because the users don't make it broken. If the users of a move make a non-broken move broken, shouldn't it be the user of the move that gets banned?

And as others such as TLK have said, where do you draw the line? There are certainly other ubers that could be used fairly in OU if a move or item or two were banned; moves and items that aren't otherwise considered broken. Are you suggesting that all of those get tested as well?

 

[domeface]

Which is why even testing it is a bad idea, unless the aspect of the pokemon is so overpoweringly the reason why the pokemon is broken in the first place. Dark Void is not that with Darkrai. But even testing something like this sets a precedent that could be used to justify pokemon-with-move bans that aren't anywhere near as reasonable as Darkrai's Dark Void (which isn't that reasonable itself). It will also take a while to test and be hard to quantify; because of this, even testing it is a waste of time and will probably cause more harm than good.

All we need to do is state categorically that we are only outright banning moves, not combinations of moves and pokemon, to avoid any slippery slopes.

The problem with banning stuff like Dark Void and not just sleep as a whole, is that you have to then do the same for other stuff which breaks Pokemon. Should we test a Shaymin-S without Seed Flare (which, like Darkrai is only potentially to be used on two or three Pokemon - Shaymin, Shaymin-S and Smeargle)? Or more broadly like someone said, a Salamence without Outrage; Latios without Draco; etc. Where do you draw the line?

We cannot ban Seed Flare because while Skymin is probably broken with it and Smeargle never uses it, normal Shaymin makes good use of it without being broken. Because there is a single user of the move who is not broken and does actually use it, the move cannot be banned. Similarly, Outrage isn't broken on Dragonite, nor is DM, so neither can be banned outright. The line is drawn at only banning moves outright, not combinations of moves on pokemon. If there is even a single pokemon who learns and uses the move without being broken, then it cannot be banned.

There is the flaw of your argument. The moves do not matter nearly as much as the users do. The fact that Spore, an obviously, numerically better move (and your Soul Dew comparison fails simply because it and the other items are not directly comparable; there is no item that can give +2 SAtk/+2 SDef) is not broken according to you, because the Pokemon they are on are not good enough. However for you Dark Void, the weaker move, is broken, because Darkrai has it. If you want Dark Void banned you need to explain why the move itself (and then obviously by extension, Spore) are broken, not just that it will make Darkrai manageable.

Also, Dark Void is not broken on all its users. Smeargle is not broken with Spore, so it can't be broken with Dark Void.

All moves are only as good as their users. A 100% accurate OHKO move would be near-useless on something with a stat spread of 1/0/0/0/0/0. Ember on Reshiram is better than Flamethrower on Smeargle
The Soul Dew comparison is slightly flawed as I have admitted, but the point is still relatively valid; most offensive pokemon, when given the choice between Calm Mind/Bulk Up and Nasty Plot/Swords Dance, will opt for the latter. It can be judged that a +2 in (Special) Attack is at least as good as a +1/+1 in (Special) Attack and (Special) Defense. Therefore, a +2 in both offensive stats is almost certainly better than a +1/+1 in offense/defense, meaning Light Ball is at least as good, and almost certainly better than Soul Dew, and DeepSeaTooth is almost certainly on a par with it. And yet, Soul Dew was banned and these other items not even considered for banning. Why? Because Soul Dew had by far the best users. You can pretend all you want, you know the reason that Soul Dew was banned was because Lati@s were far, far better than Marowak, Pikachu, Clamperl etc, not because Soul Dew was a better item.
Finally, Dark Void is broken on all of its users. Users =/= Learners. Smeargle does indeed learn the move, but he never uses it, since he also learns Spore.

EDIT:

Christ it's hard to keep up.

Wait, you mean "it doesn't make all (or indeed any) of its users broken", right?

Erm yeah, pretty much. What are you getting at?

Anyway, if we tested Darkrai without Dark Void, we'd have to try Shaymin without Seed Flare as well. Perhaps try banning both Judgement and Elemental Plates as well? Manaphy without Tail Glow should be given a shot, because Volbeat isn't all that viable anyway(jk guys, don't kill me). Don't forget Fire Dance-less Urgamoth. For that matter, Sand Throw isn't that viable on anything besides Dory (after all, who'd use Sandslash when we still have Dory?), so we could get rid of that instead.

Of course, it's not banning a certain move on a certain poke. It'd just be a blanket Seed Flare/Judgement/Sand Throw etc. ban, on ALL pokemon with access to those, so it's not like we're specifically targeting certain pokemon.

The problem with that is that we can't ban Seed Flare because Shaymin-L maks excellent use of it without being broken. Skymin is broken with it and Smeargle doesn't use it, but there is still one pokemon that uses it without being broken, so it cannot be banned.
Judgement could conceivably be banned, but Arceus would almost certainly still be broken since it still gets all the elemental beams and lots of different coverage moves. The elemental Plates could also be banned since there's still Mystic Water et al (though that's something of a grey area), but again, Arceus would probably still be broken just because of its phenominal stats and STAB ExtremeSpeed (which before you ask could not be banned as it's used to success by a multitude of other pokemon without being broken)
Tail Glow has Volbeat who's an excellent BPer.
Fire Dance could be banned if necessary (assuming Ulgamoth's prevo doesn't learn in - does it?), but unless FD Ulgamoth is found to be broken, it wouldn't be necessary.
Sand Throw couldn't be banned because Sandslash uses it to success without being broken. It doesn't matter if it's outclassed by Doryuuzu (which btw it isn't, because it's less frail and priority-weak), if it uses the ability and isn't broken, the ability stays.

I'm aware that these don't actually reflect your views and you were just using them to counter my argument, but I just thought I'd show you how I'd counter each claim if they did come up for real.

Spore is a better move than Dark Void, and Domeface himself has said that Spore is not broken. He said that because the users don't make it broken. If the users of a move make a non-broken move broken, shouldn't it be the user of the move that gets banned?

And as others such as TLK have said, where do you draw the line? There are certainly other ubers that could be used fairly in OU if a move or item or two were banned; moves and items that aren't otherwise considered broken. Are you suggesting that all of those get tested as well?

Define a broken move. You could argue that Flamethrower is absolutely superior to Ember, but what if Ember was exclusive to Reshiram and Flamethrower to Smeargle? Then Ember becomes better. The power (I don't mean BP, I mean like, viability) of a move is entirely governed by the pokemon who use it.
I'm not suggesting that the moves/abilities/items you refer to are all tested, because the vast majority of them will be used by other pokemon without being broken. In the case of other signature moves you could test it if you wanted to, but in most cases there would be little point - for example, even if we banned Judgement, Arceus has the likes of Ice Beam and Flamethrower to replace it for most types. It may make Arceus a little weaker (for example, he no longer has a 100BP Special Steel-type move for CMing with) but it's very unlikely to make him OU, whereas Darkrai runs DV on almost every set and there is no move he can use to reliably replace it on any of them (there's Hypnosis, but the accuracy is too appalling for it to be of use). However, if there was a signature move or a species-specific item that was broken on all of its users (no learners; Smeargle doesn't automatically qualify).

 

[XienZo]

So, let's say Spore was also found broken, for some other completely separate reason pertaining to its perfect accuracy.

That would mean that Smeargle would then depend on the next most reliable sleep move, Dark Void. Thus, Smeargle would become a user, and Dark Void would no longer be bannable, because it is no longer broken on all of its users.

That means that if we go by your logic, we allow for a situation where banning Spore could cause Dark Void to become unbanned.

And besides, does that mean we can go about banning Sand Throw? The only other legal user is the dog, which would never USE it since it has access to the much more useful Intimidate.

 

[Green Thunder]

if we ban dark void and not darkrei...wont people start using hypnosis and start the process all over again? yes i know "lower accuracy blah blah blah" but that doesnt stop bad dreams...well it does in a way but u know what i mean.

 

[UltiMario]

Dark Void's accuracy is the reason why Darkrai is so good.

Without it, Darkrai would still be pretty amazing, but with it, it blows the whole thing up to stupid points. If Darkrai is Borderline Uber even with a Dark Void Ban, it's probably not worth considering.

 

[fidgety]

if we ban dark void and not darkrei...wont people start using hypnosis and start the process all over again? yes i know "lower accuracy blah blah blah" but that doesnt stop bad dreams...well it does in a way but u know what i mean.

yep i've pointed that out myself a few times, but he so certain that w/o void darkrai won't be broken which it likely won't be.
honestly reliable sleep (75%+ accuracy) is broken enough 2 be banned but below is bearable since hypnosis for example only hit 6 out of every 10 uses it isn't reliable, but sleep powder hitting 3 out of every 4 is + the new mechanic is crippling on the right poke.
Edit: @ ultimario darkrai is more than border line w/o void look @ my last post 4 a good idea of what it can do.

 

[PokéMontage]

There's really only two options here - argue that Sleep Moves in general are broken, or argue that they aren't. You can't argue that Dark Void is broken without arguing that Spore is broken, heck even Sleep Powder since 5 less accuracy isn't enough to justify that huge of a difference in usability. The only reason you could possibly suggest banning only Dark Void would be because Darkrai learns it, in which case you're suggesting banning a certain move on a certain Pokemon, and that just isn't going to work.

tl;dr - It's all or nothing.

 

[SHUCKLE MAN]

What happens if we ban Dark Void, and then Delibird gets the move when the Yellow/Crystal/Emerald/Platinum counterpart to Black and White gets released? Would we have to unban Dark Void and then ban Darkrai? Or would we just not let Delibird use Dark Void, even though it's probably not broken?

 

[Mario With Lasers]

Erm yeah, pretty much. What are you getting at?

That the move is not broken, or even "uncompetitive" such as Double Team.

 

[GravityZero]

60% isn't necessarily to be feared. It's haxxxy, but paraflinch Jirachi's worse.

I agree - If a pokemon is found to be uber, Smogon should have the right to ban ONE AND ONLY ONE move, ability, or item on that pokemon alone. Which means, if Psyduck is deemed broken and Confusion is the main problem, then the Psyduck-Confusion combination should be banned. All other pokemon with Confusion should still have it, and Psyduck should be retested without confusion.

One-time flexibility. Once and once only. If Psyduck's still broken, it's broken, uber tier, no second chance for redemption.

But banning a move/item/trait unilaterally is silly and childish. If Magikarp had Spore, Inconsistent, and Light Ball compatability, I don't think we'd be treating it as suspect.

 

[fidgety]

60% isn't necessarily to be feared. It's haxxxy, but paraflinch Jirachi's worse.

I agree - If a pokemon is found to be uber, Smogon should have the right to ban ONE AND ONLY ONE move, ability, or item on that pokemon alone. Which means, if Psyduck is deemed broken and Confusion is the main problem, then the Psyduck-Confusion combination should be banned. All other pokemon with Confusion should still have it, and Psyduck should be retested without confusion.

One-time flexibility. Once and once only. If Psyduck's still broken, it's broken, uber tier, no second chance for redemption.

no the arguement was sleep + bad dreams effectively for darkrai.

 

[TLK]

If we ban Dark Void, which we probably won't because I think it's far too slippery a slope, then surely we could make a claim for Ho-oh minus Sacred Fire and Zekrom minus Lightning Strike (for example) being not broken without these moves.

I agree that it's all or nothing with sleep moves. Ban sleep in general and then test Darkrai, or ban Darkrai and leave sleep with the weaker Pokemon.

 

[domeface]

What happens if we ban Dark Void, and then Delibird gets the move when the Yellow/Crystal/Emerald/Platinum counterpart to Black and White gets released? Would we have to unban Dark Void and then ban Darkrai? Or would we just not let Delibird use Dark Void, even though it's probably not broken?

So, let's say Spore was also found broken, for some other completely separate reason pertaining to its perfect accuracy.

That would mean that Smeargle would then depend on the next most reliable sleep move, Dark Void. Thus, Smeargle would become a user, and Dark Void would no longer be bannable, because it is no longer broken on all of its users.

That means that if we go by your logic, we allow for a situation where banning Spore could cause Dark Void to become unbanned.

And besides, does that mean we can go about banning Sand Throw? The only other legal user is the dog, which would never USE it since it has access to the much more useful Intimidate.

Shuckle's post and XienZo's first point are basically the same, so I'll answer them together:

If Dark Void got a new user, be it from Spore being banned so Smeargle uses it, or Delibird getting it via move tutor or whatever (for the record, both of these scenarios have something like a 1% chance of happening unless Sleep as a whole gets banned which renders the whole point moot), and said user was not broken, then we would have to reconsider the ban, probably resulting in Darkrai being banned since there is now no way to ban Dark Void without nerfing non-broken pokemon.

if we ban dark void and not darkrei...wont people start using hypnosis and start the process all over again? yes i know "lower accuracy blah blah blah" but that doesnt stop bad dreams...well it does in a way but u know what i mean.

See the first bit of the below quote from UltiMario

Dark Void's accuracy is the reason why Darkrai is so good.

Without it, Darkrai would still be pretty amazing, but with it, it blows the whole thing up to stupid points. If Darkrai is Borderline Uber even with a Dark Void Ban, it's probably not worth considering.

The key word there is 'IF'. The only way we can find out whether or not it's still broken without Dark Void is to test it.

yep i've pointed that out myself a few times, but he so certain that w/o void darkrai won't be broken which it likely won't be.
honestly reliable sleep (75%+ accuracy) is broken enough 2 be banned but below is bearable since hypnosis for example only hit 6 out of every 10 uses it isn't reliable, but sleep powder hitting 3 out of every 4 is + the new mechanic is crippling on the right poke.
Edit: @ ultimario darkrai is more than border line w/o void look @ my last post 4 a good idea of what it can do.

I'm sorry, I can't believe that someone who fails to use even the most basic punctuation and grammar can make intelligent points, but nevertheless I'll counter what you've said. I have at no time stated that I am at all 'sure' that Voidless Darkrai won't be broken; in fact I've said there's a good chance he will be on a number of occaisons. What I have said is that Dark Void being removed will make a big difference to Darkrai, so much so that we cannot tell via theorymon whether or not he would still be broken, thus necessitating a test.The second part of your post basically supports what I'm saying.

There's really only two options here - argue that Sleep Moves in general are broken, or argue that they aren't. You can't argue that Dark Void is broken without arguing that Spore is broken, heck even Sleep Powder since 5 less accuracy isn't enough to justify that huge of a difference in usability. The only reason you could possibly suggest banning only Dark Void would be because Darkrai learns it, in which case you're suggesting banning a certain move on a certain Pokemon, and that just isn't going to work.

tl;dr - It's all or nothing.

As I've said many times, a move is only as good as it's users. Dark Void is more dangerous than Spore because Dark Void is learned by a pokemon with amazing speed and the perfect set-up movepool/stat spread. Ember Reshiram and Flamethrower Smeargle again. There is nothing inherently wrong with banning a move on a pokemon except that it creates a huge slippery slope for further 'tweaks'. This is basically exploiting a loophole in the system to allow for a more desirable outcome (because Smogon aims for fewer bans and removing one move from Darkrai's movepool is 'less of a ban', so to speak, than removing Darkrai completely).

EDIT: Gah there's more posts. I'll reply to y'all later, I don't have time now. Please keep the future posts to me to a minimum and avoid repetition of other points.