Inconsistent has been (thankfully) banned, so I'm adding Octillery to the list.
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What aren't we writing about? (Pokemon unfit for OU Analyses)
- Thread starter Seven Deadly Sins
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Meh, it makes a decent Scarfer, and it can mix to get around Blissey. It can Encore setup sweepers too, but that's more of a bonus than anything.
But Magneton is good as a bulkier Magnezone, that runs Magnet Rise instead of Substitute, uses Charge Beam to be as strong as Magnezone so it can run max HP too, and is faster when you're not talking about Choice Scarf sets.
Magnezone is bulker.
Both can run Magnet Rise and/or Substitute.
And/or Charge Beam.
Both can run max hp.
And without Scarf, there's nothing important you're outspeeding from 60 to 70 base speed.
Both can run Magnet Rise and/or Substitute.
And/or Charge Beam.
Both can run max hp.
And without Scarf, there's nothing important you're outspeeding from 60 to 70 base speed.
OK I AM ACTUALLY ADDRESSING THINGS HERE AND UPDATING THE LIST
Toxicroak has been tentatively removed, seeing as how Drizzle isn't going to be banned for this round. I was waiting on the Drizzle ban results, but yeah.
Shibirudon is being removed. Having no weaknesses is kinda cool, and it's got decent defenses and Coil. It can also set up a pretty scary mixed set, and has a great special movepool. Kinda disappointing that its only physical STAB has recoil, as it makes Blissey a little more annoying, but whatever.
Cradily has been taken off, as Storm Drain is pretty sweet, and in either case it's still a solid special wall (and Curse user) in Sandstorm.
Mebukijika has been taken off of the list for its Chlorophyll sweeping abilities.
Now onto the rejections.
Arbok still gets the no. Its stats are terrible, Poison is an awful defensive type, and even with a Defense boost from Coil it still gets destroyed by errant Earthquakes.
Volbeat is still terrible. Maybe when its Dream World ability gets released it'll have a chance, but until then, it's still a one-trick pony that can't even perform its trick reliably.
Magneton is being put on hold because of the way the Gen 5 metagame differs from Gen 4. Base 115 Pokemon are much less prevalent- nobody uses Azelf and Starmie has gone down a lot due to Nattorei walling it silly. In addition, Magnezone now outspeeds notable things like Borotorosu and Terakion, making it a lot more potent with a scarf set. Finally, Scarf isn't actually that good in this meta due to the nature of the Steel-types that need to be trapped. Scarf lacks the power to deal with Nattorei effectively, especially in the rain.
Talked to the other QC guys for this one, and got agreements from Eo and Setsuna for this one: Honchkrow is being added to the list. It wasn't good in Generation 4, and it's just gotten worse in Generation 5. It's slow, weak to SR, and not strong enough to muscle through the things that it needs to deal with. Moxie is also kinda silly on it, as it doesn't really fix any of Honchkrow's big issues. It WOULD fix the whole "loses Attack when it kills something with Superpower" thing, but it doesn't even get Superpower with it! It also doesn't get Heat Wave, which makes it suck even more.
Post away with your opinions.
Toxicroak has been tentatively removed, seeing as how Drizzle isn't going to be banned for this round. I was waiting on the Drizzle ban results, but yeah.
Shibirudon is being removed. Having no weaknesses is kinda cool, and it's got decent defenses and Coil. It can also set up a pretty scary mixed set, and has a great special movepool. Kinda disappointing that its only physical STAB has recoil, as it makes Blissey a little more annoying, but whatever.
Cradily has been taken off, as Storm Drain is pretty sweet, and in either case it's still a solid special wall (and Curse user) in Sandstorm.
Mebukijika has been taken off of the list for its Chlorophyll sweeping abilities.
Now onto the rejections.
Arbok still gets the no. Its stats are terrible, Poison is an awful defensive type, and even with a Defense boost from Coil it still gets destroyed by errant Earthquakes.
Volbeat is still terrible. Maybe when its Dream World ability gets released it'll have a chance, but until then, it's still a one-trick pony that can't even perform its trick reliably.
Magneton is being put on hold because of the way the Gen 5 metagame differs from Gen 4. Base 115 Pokemon are much less prevalent- nobody uses Azelf and Starmie has gone down a lot due to Nattorei walling it silly. In addition, Magnezone now outspeeds notable things like Borotorosu and Terakion, making it a lot more potent with a scarf set. Finally, Scarf isn't actually that good in this meta due to the nature of the Steel-types that need to be trapped. Scarf lacks the power to deal with Nattorei effectively, especially in the rain.
Talked to the other QC guys for this one, and got agreements from Eo and Setsuna for this one: Honchkrow is being added to the list. It wasn't good in Generation 4, and it's just gotten worse in Generation 5. It's slow, weak to SR, and not strong enough to muscle through the things that it needs to deal with. Moxie is also kinda silly on it, as it doesn't really fix any of Honchkrow's big issues. It WOULD fix the whole "loses Attack when it kills something with Superpower" thing, but it doesn't even get Superpower with it! It also doesn't get Heat Wave, which makes it suck even more.
Post away with your opinions.
Small nitpick, Honchkrow's Dream World ability is not in fact Mischievous Heart (although Murkrow's is), but rather Overconfidence (Moxie). Probably changes nothing, but thought I'd mention it.
Edit: In addition, I'd imagine that Magneton's best set in this metagame isn't Scarf, but rather an Evolution Stone set, potentially ResTalk Charge Beam or something along those lines.
Edit: In addition, I'd imagine that Magneton's best set in this metagame isn't Scarf, but rather an Evolution Stone set, potentially ResTalk Charge Beam or something along those lines.
Trust me, we considered an Evolution Stone set, and we're still on the fence about it. We might update this later with that note.
Also Overconfidence doesn't do much for Honchkrow so "whatever".
Also Overconfidence doesn't do much for Honchkrow so "whatever".
gigaiasu's name is Gigalith.
Was I the only one who read this as Gigoliath initially? That would have been a kickass name.
No, you've got it totally the wrong way round; it's impossible for somebody to just decide what's OU and what's not; that's based on usage. Nominating pokemon for having a viable niche in the OU metagame is exactly what people are doing in this thread.
It's not what we SHOULD be doing, though. Right now we need to focus on the Pokemon who are one-hundred percent, completely viable in the OU tier, and don't need extra care or a lot of prediction or teams built around them to make them work.
Once the analyses are written for these bog-OU standards, then we can focus on everything with an OU niche (which is basically every Pokemon in existence not named Luvdisc or Dustox.)
But you use Walrein in Hail.
Would it be possible to add Rotom-S to the list? It shares typing with Zapdos, who is better both offensively and defensively, and its ability is absolutely useless. It's also outclassed by the other Rotom formes, all of whom possess better exclusive moves and typing. Sorry if Rotom-S is already on the list, but I didn't see it there.
This isn't about OU Pokémon, this is about Pokémon that have an analysis of how it does in Standard. You don't have to be OU to get an analysis here, but if you're horrible in Standard then that's what the list is for.
Tsunbear has been added to the list. It's not all that strong, it's super-slow, its bulk is only "okay", and it's worse than Mamoswine at basically everything.
Not trying to nag you or anything, but you still haven't taken lickilicky off, while you said you would (and you never said anything about putting it back on).
Anyway, can you take Walrein off the list? It is still a very viable choice for a Hail team.
How common are Hail teams, though? And how easy would it be to mess Walrein up with the plethora of weather-inducing options this generation?
Strong Super-Effective attacks still take him down pretty easily.