Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

Blkmage0253 said:
Well, I don't think you can get a hexflawless HP Grass Heatran. Use PokeRNG (link on first page) to find some seeds. Also, use this thread to find valid IV spreads for your nature:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63866
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TwistEZ said:
well yeah, technically its not flawless, its 30/31/31/30/31/31

but i'll check out pokerng and see if it helps my problem. thanks
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- PID: 5ef76e6d (MODEST, ability 1) 31/26/31/30/31/31 (Seed: 5d1303dc Method 1: 99, J (synch): 80, J (no synch): 90, K (synch): 86, K (no synch): None) HP GRASS 70

Is that what you're looking for? Nearest to being flawless, as you won't need attack on a Tran, especially since you're running Modest.

Or are you looking for a different nature?
 
ok, so, three things with pokerng

1.) it found a seed when i just left it not shiny. which is good. but im sad because i wanted a shiny heatran. but anyways,

2.) i used an AR code to get my SID, i thought it said it was 33500 or something. so when i used that to try and find a shiny, it didnt find anything. i thought maybe that was wrong, so i tried to get my SID in another way.

3.) using the IVs to PID feature of rng reporter, with my only legit shiny i have, it said that my SID is 33496... wtf? so i tried to use pokerng again, with my "new" SID, and still nothing.


tl;dr i found a seed when i try to find a non shiny heatran, but when i try to find one shiny, it doesnt find anything. you only need one legit shiny that you caught to find your SID via the IVs to PID feature right?


edit- winters, im looking for a naive heatran
 
Your ID/SID determines what nature/IV combos will be shiny. Unless you've RNG abused your ID/SID, don't expect good shiny IV spreads.
 
TwistEZ said:
ok, so, three things with pokerng

1.) it found a seed when i just left it not shiny. which is good. but im sad because i wanted a shiny heatran. but anyways,

2.) i used an AR code to get my SID, i thought it said it was 33500 or something. so when i used that to try and find a shiny, it didnt find anything. i thought maybe that was wrong, so i tried to get my SID in another way.

3.) using the IVs to PID feature of rng reporter, with my only legit shiny i have, it said that my SID is 33496... wtf? so i tried to use pokerng again, with my "new" SID, and still nothing.


tl;dr i found a seed when i try to find a non shiny heatran, but when i try to find one shiny, it doesnt find anything. you only need one legit shiny that you caught to find your SID via the IVs to PID feature right?


edit- winters, im looking for a naive heatran
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- PID: 05f13e0b (NAIVE, ability 1) 30/31/30/30/31/31 (Seed: bd070d74 Method 1: 196, J (synch): 189, J (no synch): None, K (synch): 185, K (no synch): None) HP GRASS 70

Well to get shiny captures you need the right ID/SID. If it doesn't come up as shiny, than your ID isn't compatible with it's PID.

Since it doesn't come up as shiny, than that game with that ID/SID will never get it shiny. So you'll have to ID/SID abuse if you want it shiny.
 
TwistEZ said:
ok, so, three things with pokerng

1.) it found a seed when i just left it not shiny. which is good. but im sad because i wanted a shiny heatran. but anyways,

2.) i used an AR code to get my SID, i thought it said it was 33500 or something. so when i used that to try and find a shiny, it didnt find anything. i thought maybe that was wrong, so i tried to get my SID in another way.

3.) using the IVs to PID feature of rng reporter, with my only legit shiny i have, it said that my SID is 33496... wtf? so i tried to use pokerng again, with my "new" SID, and still nothing.


tl;dr i found a seed when i try to find a non shiny heatran, but when i try to find one shiny, it doesnt find anything. you only need one legit shiny that you caught to find your SID via the IVs to PID feature right?


edit- winters, im looking for a naive heatran
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If I remember correctly, your SID doesn't have to be exact to work. The way the game figures things out, I think some digits are thrown away at some point. Someone could explain this better, but I am pretty sure either SID would work for you (I'd go with whatever the AR told you, tbh).

The reason you aren't getting results is that each ID/SID combo has certain spreads that are shiny. There is a very high chance you do not have a shiny Naive spread that has the IVs and hidden power you want. If you do a search with PokeRNG, try something like this:

Naive
Any Hidden Power
25+/25+/25+/25+/25+/25+
Delay: 500-3000

It's still possible you'll get no results with something like that, but you'll probably get a few hits at least.

Your best bet is to get a non-shiny Naive Heatran with the IVs and Hidden Power you want.
 
Troggy said:
If I remember correctly, your SID doesn't have to be exact to work. The way the game figures things out, I think some digits are thrown away at some point.
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First 3 bits. This means that the SID could have a difference of 7 (1 + 2 + 4) and still have the same shiny spreads. It also means that any methods of calculating a SID can potentially be 7 off.
 
Im trying to rng for a Deoxys Attack forme from the pokemon ranger game, when i have done the whole rng process how can i check the ivs of it?

Thanks
 
9 times out of 10, if you got the right Hidden Power you got the right IVs. You can also check the personality trait (i.e. somewhat vain) and see if it corresponds with your desired results.
 
Is Abusing your SID/ID combo long and hard? I know how to RNG breed for shiny-ness and IVs, but I would also like to do CPs. When I tried PokeRNG, all the shiny spreads I got that were actually good had super high frames, like in the 200s :/
 
TwistEZ said:
ok, so, three things with pokerng

1.) it found a seed when i just left it not shiny. which is good. but im sad because i wanted a shiny heatran. but anyways,

2.) i used an AR code to get my SID, i thought it said it was 33500 or something. so when i used that to try and find a shiny, it didnt find anything. i thought maybe that was wrong, so i tried to get my SID in another way.

3.) using the IVs to PID feature of rng reporter, with my only legit shiny i have, it said that my SID is 33496... wtf? so i tried to use pokerng again, with my "new" SID, and still nothing.


tl;dr i found a seed when i try to find a non shiny heatran, but when i try to find one shiny, it doesnt find anything. you only need one legit shiny that you caught to find your SID via the IVs to PID feature right?


edit- winters, im looking for a naive heatran
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Just to expand on what Troggy said, if you take the XOR (maths operation) of your ID and your SID, you will end up with a 16 digit binary number. The final 3 of these are thrown away, and then the rest are checked for shininess.

The result is basically that the SID you calculate with your own legit shiny will be within a max of 7 from your actual SID.

The AR code however reads it directly from the game's memory, and so it will always give you your EXACT SID. So go with the AR one ;) (although the other one will work fine for RNG pursposes).
 
So I just found out that variable-nature Wondercard Pokémon can't (as of yet) have their nature controlled. Has this changed since the articles went up on the site? I've already gotten really lucky with variable natures today (it's why my Jolly Beldum exists) and I'm not sure I want to repeat it for Mew. :\

Princess of Johto said:
Is Abusing your SID/ID combo long and hard? I know how to RNG breed for shiny-ness and IVs, but I would also like to do CPs. When I tried PokeRNG, all the shiny spreads I got that were actually good had super high frames, like in the 200s :/
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200 frames isn't that high... it only takes like two minutes to shuffle through the radio. Nailing the frame consistently is still harder/longer. :\
~Uiru
 
Uiru said:
So I just found out that variable-nature Wondercard Pokémon can't (as of yet) have their nature controlled. Has this changed since the articles went up on the site?
Wondercard pokemon, no
Pokewalker pokemon or pokemon who ivs are generated via Wondercard method, yes
~Uiru
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@Princess of Johto
Its not really hard, you just need to be patient
 
The DPP guide on the site says that fishing is a monster frame 4; is that the same in HGSS? And if my spread is on frame 81, does that mean that I need to be on frame 76 or 77 when I fish?

Side note, does pressing the GB Sounds when you have it registered to the touch screen mess with the RNG at all? I always play with it on but I haven't used it while RNGing because I don't know if it advances any frames.
 
I'm trying to RNG for IVs on HGSS, I am aware of the wandering NPCs that advance the frame offscreen from the daycare man, and I recently went and rebattled them all (they called me), does this solve the problem, also is there even a problem if they don't move? (one rotates but I'm hoping that doesn't count).

Before I hit the delay I wanted perfectly, my frame is 12, call checked 9 times with elm, called him twice more, picked up egg, hatched it, didn't work - at this point I hadn't rebattled trainers, but they weren't wandering about either, is there anything else I missed?
 
Princess of Johto said:
Is Abusing your SID/ID combo long and hard? I know how to RNG breed for shiny-ness and IVs, but I would also like to do CPs. When I tried PokeRNG, all the shiny spreads I got that were actually good had super high frames, like in the 200s :/
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200 frames isn't that bad. And really, it only takes a while to abuse your ID/SID if you haven't calibrated your delay. Seeing that you've RNG abused shininess and IVs, it shouldn't take you too long at all.
 
I'm trying to hit my seed but when I flip my coin it ends up wrong the first time or like the 3rd time, what do I do if it keeps failing? And is there anyway way to tap the happiness check faster? I really dont want to tap it 900 times!
 
lockon510 said:
I'm trying to hit my seed but when I flip my coin it ends up wrong the first time or like the 3rd time, what do I do if it keeps failing? And is there anyway way to tap the happiness check faster? I really dont want to tap it 900 times!
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Use this so you don't have to tap several hundred times. It finds shiny PIDs on low frames and gives you a seed. Be sure to follow the instructions carefully so you don't end up screaming in rage.

And the best thing to do when you miss your seed is to see what delay you actually hit. Compare the coin flips to the adjacent results in the RNG reporter, and see if you're hitting the same delay each time. If that's the case, then adjust the years on your DS (the higher the year, the lower the delay and vice versa) so the delay is that of what you usually hit.
 
@Everyone who responded to my question about the SID/ID abuse:

So, 200 isn't hard to hit? How much does the radio advance the frame? And, is there any way to check what frame I'm on, like how you can check what seed you hit while breeding?
 
Princess of Johto said:
@Everyone who responded to my question about the SID/ID abuse:

So, 200 isn't hard to hit? How much does the radio advance the frame? And, is there any way to check what frame I'm on, like how you can check what seed you hit while breeding?
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Calling Elm will advance the frame by 1, and you can compare the Elm calls to the frames for your seed. However this requires multiple Elm calls to do.
 
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