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Shandera makes good use of substitute since it can force switches. Hopefully gray will give shandera disable, which would simply benefit shandy very much. Without the sub, I find that taunt+calm mind works wonders once tyranitar is gone (Scizor is lol, and using other pursuiters is apparently against the law). Speed is still an issue, and if you're carrying nitro charge, then you only have one attack.

This pokemon's got some serious four moveslot syndrome.
 
Guys, for in-game purposes. I just hatched an HP Ice (70) Modest Hitomoshi. Should I use Energy Ball or HP Ice? Nitro Charge / Heat Wave / Shadow Ball are keepers.
 
I want to go more into a Mono-Attack set for Shandera....that sweep gave me hope xD
HP Dragon is instantly discarded by doing a measly 20% - 30% to the standard Blissey at +6.
Flamethrower can do a minimum of 60% to the same Blissey at +6,but leaves me walled against anything with Flash Fire or anything that can 4x resist.
While Shadow Ball does a big whopping 0 on Blissey,but allows me to hit everything else for good damage because only 1 mon 4x resists,but Kirikizan isn't exactly common,nor bulky.
Any ideas?
 
Sub / Minimize / Calm Mind / Flamethrower should be maximum overtroll, though. You can PP stall every flash fire poke, including heatran.
 
Kefka the god of magic said:
I guess because it's stronger than Flamethrower,and more accurate than Fire Blast.
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But due to its inaccuracy it's average BP is lower than flamethrower.

It won't give an increased chance to burn, either.
The only reason I can think of is for double battles, and I didn't hear anything about double battles being all over the place in B/W.
 
Raptorg said:
But due to its inaccuracy it's average BP is lower than flamethrower.

It won't give an increased chance to burn, either.
The only reason I can think of is for double battles, and I didn't hear anything about double battles being all over the place in B/W.
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It also has lower PP, and in doubles does I think 75% damage
 
Guys....I'm using a new set and I need some help:

Shandera(Chandefka :3) - Modest @ Life Orb/Charti Berry/*Water-resist Berry*/Lum Berry
252 Sp.A/252 Speed/4 Def
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fighting/Fire Blast
-Calm Mind
-Nitro Charge

I can't decide on the item....LO lets me OHKO important threats like T-tar,Mence,etc.
The Charti Berry/Water Berry give me an extra turn of set up against mons with a Rock/Water attack.
The Lum Berry gives me another turn of set up against Blissey or other mons that like to paralyze/poison me.
Then comes wether I should use HP Fighting for flawless coverage,or Fire Blast for dual STAB attacks.
EDIT: I also can't decide between Flame Body or Flash Fire. One can punish physical attackers,while the other gives me an immunity,but a boost I can't even use.(If I run HP Fighting)
Any ideas?
 
Ditch the calm mind/nitro charge for substitute. Run life orb or petaya berry(if running sub over calm mind) or salac berry (the reverse). If running that set on a sun team, ditch shadow ball instead of fire blast for hp fighting. If not running it on a sun team, THEN DON'T RUN IT what do you want to get walled by? I ask this because when running either one, there will be something coming in to ruin your day.

HP fighting alongside shadow ball allows for perfect neutral coverage, yeah. But aside from tyranitar and heatran, hp fighting seems pretty useless. You need five calm minds with a life orb just to have a chance to ohko blissey, so that extra turn with the lum berry is doing nothing for you unless you end up seeing a Whimsicott, Tornelos, or Voltolos. HP fighting unboosted won't ohko terakion, so I'm not sure how reliable it'll end up being. According to the Urgamoth thread, Heatran is running stone edge these days a lot (I personally don't believe this, but whatever).
 
alphatron said:
Ditch the calm mind/nitro charge for substitute. Run life orb or petaya berry(if running sub over calm mind) or salac berry (the reverse). If running that set on a sun team, ditch shadow ball instead of fire blast for hp fighting. If not running it on a sun team, THEN DON'T RUN IT what do you want to get walled by? I ask this because when running either one, there will be something coming in to ruin your day.

HP fighting alongside shadow ball allows for perfect neutral coverage, yeah. But aside from tyranitar and heatran, hp fighting seems pretty useless. You need five calm minds with a life orb just to have a chance to ohko blissey, so that extra turn with the lum berry is doing nothing for you unless you end up seeing a Whimsicott, Tornelos, or Voltolos. HP fighting unboosted won't ohko terakion, so I'm not sure how reliable it'll end up being. According to the Urgamoth thread, Heatran is running stone edge these days a lot (I personally don't believe this, but whatever).
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SubCM is too slow.
LO or Petaya wont work with that speed.
Not running Sun.

You only need to be at +3 to 2HKO the standard Blissey:
1065 Atk vs 306 Def & 714 HP (70 Base Power): 350 - 412 (49.02% - 57.70%)

With LO,you only need to be at +2:
852 Atk vs 306 Def & 714 HP (70 Base Power): 362 - 428 (50.70% - 59.94%)

So,the Lum berry IS a bit useless unless you're already at +2.

HP Fighting can OHKO Terakion at +1 assuming no Sand:
639 Atk vs 216 Def & 324 HP (70 Base Power): 296 - 350 (91.36% - 108.02%)

LO guarantees it:
639 Atk vs 216 Def & 324 HP (70 Base Power): 384 - 454 (118.52% - 140.12%)

No Heatrans run Stone Edge,that was a blatant lie.
Ok,how about I run LO,switch to Fire Blast and just remove T-tar/Heatran before I try to sweep?
Aside from those two,I can't think of anything that can wall me.
 
Well, there's trace Porygon2, but that's about it. Look out for gyarados as well, since you'll need SR to kill the bulky variants, who can still threaten you badly with waterfall.

But yeah, life orb and fire blast should work. Just eliminate those two.
 
alphatron said:
Well, there's trace Porygon2, but that's about it. Look out for gyarados as well, since you'll need SR to kill the bulky variants, who can still threaten you badly with waterfall.

But yeah, life orb and fire blast should work. Just eliminate those two.
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So,my Wall/Threat list would look like:
-T-tar
-Tentacruel
-Blissey/Chansey
-Pory2
-Gyarados
-Heatran
-Suicune?
Doesn't really seem that bad :/
 
I'd imagine the reason you're having so much difficulty crafting a boosting sweeper is because Shandera simply isn't cut out to sweep whole teams. If I was going to go the boosting role (which I wouldn't because Scarf is better obviously) I'd just go Sub/CM/two attacks. Come in on something, boost up, kill it, kill whatever the opponent sacrifices to get rid of Shandera's Sub and then simply switch out of whatever they bring in for the revenge kill. Shandera has just killed two Pokemon and is still on 100% health...sounds awesome to me.

You're so caught up in creating some kind of unstoppable, 6-0 sweeper that you'll probably end up with something that's neither here nor there.
 
It really isn't. Tentacruel doesn't possess the ability to do anything back outside of poison after one or two calm minds. Additionally, there's azumarril, you will always revenge you (90% minimum with aqua jet), but meh.
 
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