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Reuniclus

Wow, some of the more embarrassing temper tantrums I've seen on this forum, all on one topic. It's stunning.

This is definitely one of the most interesting pokemon this generation. While some comparisons to Alakazam can be made, it's really sort of a Dragonite/Salamence situation, where they just don't play the same way. You can play one as a knockoff of the other, or you can play to its strengths. I'll elect to do the latter.
 
I don't really get any of the Alakazam comparisons here...if I was to compare another Pokemon with Rankurusu at all, it'd be Oobemu....Alakazam is pretty bad in the current metagame for a few reasons, most of them the exact opposite of why Rankurusu is an amazingly anti-metagame Pokemon. Alakazam dies to one or two hits, Rankurusu can survive at least one if not two or three of practically anything. Most importantly, however, Alakazam relies on its actual base speed to outspeed enemy Pokemon, causing it to be relatively useless against Rain and Sand teams that rely on the Weather to boost their speeds higher even than most Scarf users (especially Rain). By using Trick Room, Rankurusu actually makes being unbelievably slow an advantage, and can tear through entire Rain teams in the right situation.
 
Why are you comparing Rankurusu to Alakazam? The only reason Zam can survive 2 neutral hits is because of its Focus Sash. Rankurusu can outstall TYRANITAR dammit. It's a beast and the anti-metagamer of anti-metagamers! It can be beast under Trick Room, it can be beast under Sandstorm, it can be beast ANYWHERE. It's a truly monstrous bulky sweeper. This thing will be OU for a looooooong time to come.

Imagine that, the day when a Psychic rules the entire OU!
 
@guanlong

You mean like back in gen 1?

You know Reuniclus was nominated for uber right?

Why are you guys trying to compare Alakazam to Reuniclus anyway? Though they do have the same ability, typing, and some of the same sets they do their similar jobs in a very different way. Alakazam is the fast sweeper meant to tear through teams and die very suddenly (which is actually not so sudden anymore thanks to magic guard) Reuniclus is mean to take a back of the line approach. Waiting for its chance then breaking through what remains of their pathetic defense while taking everything that can be thrown at it. You cant compare the two because they do things very differently can couldn't actually do the others jobs.

That said Reuniclus is the better choice for this metagame because of all the fast and powerful sweepers that are in the metagame and Reuniclus being able to take each one of them with its borderline broken bulk. Alakazam is fast and powerful but there are so many pokes that do his job that Reuniclus is just completely overshadowing Alakazam in terms of usage and choice.
 
HP fire on reuniclus? Hmm. I've been thinking about this actually. It can be used on the OTR set in place of shadow ball to kill scizor (switch in, TR as they switch scizor in and roast it, taking the bullet punch if you have to) but I prefer to use hp ice to cover dragons and landlos.

The calm minder really has no room for it. Which pokemon wall psychic + fire aside from heatran?

How about a bulky set:

192 HP/64 Def/252 SpA, modest, Life orb, psychic, focus blast, hp fire/ice and recover?

It'd make for a good ferrothorn stop.
 
JT Swift said:
HP fire on reuniclus? Hmm. I've been thinking about this actually. It can be used on the OTR set in place of shadow ball to kill scizor (switch in, TR as they switch scizor in and roast it, taking the bullet punch if you have to) but I prefer to use hp ice to cover dragons and landlos.

The calm minder really has no room for it. Which pokemon wall psychic + fire aside from heatran?

How about a bulky set:

192 HP/64 Def/252 SpA, modest, Life orb, psychic, focus blast, hp fire/ice and recover?

It'd make for a good ferrothorn stop.
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HP Fire takes of Scizor and Metagross better, but leaves you more open to Tyranitar (who walls the combo BTW).
 
I was just thinking that if Aldaron's Proposal gets accepted and Reuniclus also stays unbanned for the next round, then RainStall is going to get a lot more popular. It would not only check other weathers, but it's a generally good playstyle, since it's basically HailStall on steroids minus the passive damage, but plus high-powered STAB moves (with more than 8 PP) and less glaring weaknesses to certain types.

An interesting thing about RainStall is that because of the Rain, it hits a lot harder than traditional stall. It also commonly carries Parasect, who's an incredible check to Reuniclus, and a great pokemon in general for RainStall. Politoed itself is a pretty good check since it has Encore, Hypnosis, and Perish Song. Not only this, but provided Rain stays up, a lot of the abusers can last longer than traditional stallers with stuff like Rain Dish and Hydration getting more distribution. It can still fit a lot of diverse pokemon on the team, including the the Ferrothorn + Jellicent core, since Ferrothorn loves having his Fire weakness lessened, while Jellicent likes giving his STAB Boiling Waters a little more sting, while still being a good spinblocker for the team.

Just a thought, but because of this, maybe stall still has a chance against Reuniclus if RainStall starts to get more popular. I still don't think traditional stall has died out even if Reuniclus is OU, but RainStall seems like it would fare much better against Reuniclus. I know it's not popular now, but maybe it'll catch on as a nice alternative to traditional stall, especially if Aldaron's Proposal gets accepted.
 
Bologo said:
I was just thinking that if Aldaron's Proposal gets accepted and Reuniclus also stays unbanned for the next round, then RainStall is going to get a lot more popular. It would not only check other weathers, but it's a generally good playstyle, since it's basically HailStall on steroids minus the passive damage, but plus high-powered STAB moves (with more than 8 PP) and less glaring weaknesses to certain types.

An interesting thing about RainStall is that because of the Rain, it hits a lot harder than traditional stall. It also commonly carries Parasect, who's an incredible check to Reuniclus, and a great pokemon in general for RainStall. Politoed itself is a pretty good check since it has Encore, Hypnosis, and Perish Song. Not only this, but provided Rain stays up, a lot of the abusers can last longer than traditional stallers with stuff like Rain Dish and Hydration getting more distribution. It can still fit a lot of diverse pokemon on the team, including the the Ferrothorn + Jellicent core, since Ferrothorn loves having his Fire weakness lessened, while Jellicent likes giving his STAB Boiling Waters a little more sting, while still being a good spinblocker for the team.

Just a thought, but because of this, maybe stall still has a chance against Reuniclus if RainStall starts to get more popular. I still don't think traditional stall has died out even if Reuniclus is OU, but RainStall seems like it would fare much better against Reuniclus. I know it's not popular now, but maybe it'll catch on as a nice alternative to traditional stall, especially if Aldaron's Proposal gets accepted.
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Rainstall also shares one predominant type, water. While that is generaly good for offense, it's bad for defense, even if it is a good defensive type like water. A good electric or grass type could threaten a good amount of the team. After all, what on rainstall could really threaten Virizion? All I can think of is torunoso and Toxicroak, which are generally offensive rain abusers, not defensive. I suppose they can use some non-rain users, but if that one wall goes down... It leaves their team not open just to some specific pokemon but a specific type.
 
Arc Tech said:
Rainstall also shares one predominant type, water. While that is generaly good for offense, it's bad for defense, even if it is a good defensive type like water. A good electric or grass type could threaten a good amount of the team. After all, what on rainstall could really threaten Virizion? All I can think of is torunoso and Toxicroak, which are generally offensive rain abusers, not defensive. I suppose they can use some non-rain users, but if that one wall goes down... It leaves their team not open just to some specific pokemon but a specific type.
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Ironically, the only water type on rain stall is usually Politoed and maybe Tentacruel or something. You've got Ferrothorn, Blissey, Parasect, Zapdos, Forretress, Scizor, etc. Zapdos w/HP Flying can help against Virizion, and Parasect does well against most variants. SD variants with Stone Edge win, but CM with HP Ice don't. You Spore it, set up a Sub, X-Scissor. Repeat.
 
Arc Tech said:
Rainstall also shares one predominant type, water. While that is generaly good for offense, it's bad for defense, even if it is a good defensive type like water. A good electric or grass type could threaten a good amount of the team. After all, what on rainstall could really threaten Virizion? All I can think of is torunoso and Toxicroak, which are generally offensive rain abusers, not defensive. I suppose they can use some non-rain users, but if that one wall goes down... It leaves their team not open just to some specific pokemon but a specific type.
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Parasect can take out any Virizion that doesn't have Stone Edge. Parasect 4x resists Grass and 2x resists Fighting and can put Virizion to sleep and then keep slashing at it with STAB X-Scissor on his weaker defense until he goes down. Parasect could also set up a Sub while Virizion is sleeping if he gets any bright ideas about switching out.

Also, a lot of good Grass pokemon seem like they could work quite well in RainStall, since their Fire weakness is completely taken away in the Rain, at the cost of making them slightly less resistant to Water. Nattorei and Parasect have already been mentioned. If you just stick a Grass pokemon on the team that isn't weak to Fighting, you can probably take out Virizion pretty easily. The Grass/Poisons seem pretty handy since they can counter Virizion and also absorb Toxic Spikes, an entry hazard which a lot of RainStall members are vulnerable to.
 
i keep hearing people say that it can outstall tyranitar, with what set exactly? since usually when i use it im always taking a big fat 80%+ from crunch , and usually find weather abusers walk all over it
 
akira95 said:
i keep hearing people say that it can outstall tyranitar, with what set exactly? since usually when i use it im always taking a big fat 80%+ from crunch , and usually find weather abusers walk all over it
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I'd like to know too >.>
People are over estimating him.
He can survive it....but he can't tank the damn thing.
 
akira95 said:
i keep hearing people say that it can outstall tyranitar, with what set exactly? since usually when i use it im always taking a big fat 80%+ from crunch , and usually find weather abusers walk all over it
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It can't outstall Ttar unless it's a Ttar without a dark attack. Even mixtars without significant attack investment can generally 2HKO with crunch and CBtar OHKOs. People saying it can outstall Ttar are just exaggerating its power to show how broken it is because when Ttar comes in, no one is stalling. You're gonna focus blast it or switch out.
 
bludhoundz said:
I've been running an interesting Rankurusu set lately.

Rankurusu@leftovers
Magic Guard
Bold Nature
252 HP / 204 Def / 52 SpA
Psychic
Focus Blast
Protect
Recover

The EVs are kind of makeshift, I didn't have a reason for 204 Def / 52 SpA specifically, I just wanted physical bulk with a little bit of power. Any suggestions are welcome for the spread.

I've been using him on a sandstorm team with Dory as my main sweeper, so he's mostly meant to take care of fighting types with priority (thus the physical bulk). After a bulk up, Max Atk Adamant Rohpushin fails to 2hko, while psychic is an easy 2hko, which means it is easy to switch him in. I haven't faced Breloom so I don't know how much bullet seed effects this guy but Psychic should be a clean ohko. I don't think anything short of a CB'd dark type can take this guy out with pursuit, and only if he switches out. Though I haven't been pursuited a lot (so I could be wrong), since Focus Blast makes short work of most pursuit users while I can survive if not switching out.

Protect / Recover is excellent in sandstorm for stalling out opponents, especially due to Magic Guard. He really annoys TR teams, since he's bulky he can stall out the turns.

His biggest weakness is that he's walled by other psychic types. Shandera can severely damage him with Shadow Ball (I'm not sure if it's an ohko or not, as I've usually taken some damage first). Zoroark disguised as Rohpushin is definitely his biggest bane. Psychic doesn't affect him while he gets up a free NP and proceeds to annihilate you.
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I just want to correct some parts of my previous post on this set now that I've played with it a lot more.

At max HP, LO Breloom requires 4 bullet seed hits to take him out, or 3 with an SD up. If you manage to switch in on a toxic or will o wisp earlier in the match, you are immune to spore as well.

I believe only CB Tyranitar's (non CB Tar's pursuit falls short of a 2hko when you don't switch) and CB Scizor's pursuit can ko him, and only if he switches out. Thanks to protect it's easy to figure out what they're going to do. Focus Blast has almost always ohko'd Ttar in sand for me, though I assume most were not bulky variants. Scizor's CB U-Turn is incapable of an ohko, it maxes out around 92% damage, so I usually protect and then either switch or recover as he hits me.

Also Timid CS Shandera fails to ohko, it does around 80% with Shadow Ball (Overheat will do slightly more but still falls short of the KO). If Modest or Choice Specs I believe he can take this guy out though.

I don't think this could be a standardized set or anything but is definitely a helpful defensive pivot for beating many stall pokemon and physical attackers alike. Biggest weaknesses like I said before are other Psychic types and Sableye. Shandera is a problem as well but you can 2hko it from max hp so if you manage to weaken it beforehand or hit it on the switch then you can usually win the battle.
 
In order to beat stall it needs CM or it gets walled by a lot. Protect obviously saves it from pursuit but you can't have everything.
 
FYI,Shubarugo(Brave/Adamant 252 Attack) can OHKO Bold 252 Hp/252 Def Reuniclus with a STAB Megahorn:
405 Atk vs 273 Def & 424 HP (120 Base Power): 384 - 452 (90.57% - 106.60%)

With a CB,it's guaranteed.
607 Atk vs 273 Def & 424 HP (120 Base Power): 576 - 678 (135.85% - 159.91%)

How much does Reuniclus do back?
A +1 Psycho Shock does: 430 Atk vs 246 Def & 281 HP (80 Base Power): 75 - 89 (26.69% - 31.67%)
A +1 Focus Blast does: 430 Atk vs 246 Def & 281 HP (120 Base Power): 151 - 178 (53.74% - 63.35%)

That's a Shubarugo with NO investment in its bulk(It's not like he wouldn't invest in it) and with a Brave nature and 0 Speed IVs,he will always be slower than Reuniclus and can "out speed" the TR variants.

With 252 HP,Reuniclus can barely 2HKO him: 430 Atk vs 246 Def & 344 HP (120 Base Power): 151 - 178 (43.90% - 51.74%)

Although he has coverage issues,Shubarugo is fantastic against Reuniclus
Spiritomb isn't really the only counter.

I'm expecting people to say: "Oh,it's not used much. It's crap. Ban reuniclus."
 
It's outclassed by scizor mostly, but it's like the burungeru vs Spiritomb thing. And there are plenty of other good checks for Rank, it's not like it's the only one. Rank is very powerful, but hardly broken.

And rank does beat ttars who carry only pursuit, not crunch. But they're a dying breed from what I've seen, and not all that common in the first place.
 
Arc Tech said:
It's outclassed by scizor mostly, but it's like the burungeru vs Spiritomb thing. And there are plenty of other good checks for Rank, it's not like it's the only one. Rank is very powerful, but hardly broken.

And rank does beat ttars who carry only pursuit, not crunch. But they're a dying breed from what I've seen.
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Shubarugo should be better at countering Reuniclus though.
TR variants are "out sped" and CM variants can only 2HKO,while a CB Shuba OHKO's.
 
Kefka the god of magic said:
Shubarugo should be better at countering Reuniclus though.
TR variants are "out sped" and CM variants can only 2HKO,while a CB Shuba OHKO's.
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I never said it wasn't a better counter. Scizor is better in most cases, like Burungeru, but Shu is better at countering Rankurusu, like spiritomb. I was agreeing with you.
 
how many ev in spatk are required to ohko ttar with focus blast and scizor with hp fire ..assuming it's a quiet nature with life orb ...

i would like to add ev in def to add more bulk without losing those significant KO ...
 
I run a bunch of NU/ UU's and have never had a problem with this. I find it hard to believe that people are calling for this to be banned. Really?

Also, do not get the comparisons with Alakazam. Frail, fast powerful sweeper =/= slow, bulky, set up sweeper?
 
"It's very, very good, but not THAT good."

I'm inclined to believe this due to the ridiculously low number of Trick Room Reuniclus and a modest number of CM Bulky ones (provided you do actually meet it in battle). I also don't believe that's it's impossibly hard to counter either Reuniclus, and due to experience, TR Reuniclus doesn't quite hit "hard enough" if you aren't running a specific support.
 
Escavalier doesn't even need a Choice Band to OHKO Max HP/Def Reuniclus. With Life Orb or Insect Plate, Megahorn is a guarenteed OHKO...unless it misses...

Meanwhile Durant, an amazing Pokemon with the offensive stats of a Dragon and only the inability to hurt other Steel-Types, can ALWAYS OHKO Reuniclus with Life Orb X-SCISSOR.

Poor Durant. Until you get that Superpower Move Tutor, you're always gonna be forgotten... :<
 
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