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Kyurem
- Thread starter Aerrow
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I think that Kyurem is the cutest Pokémon ever.
And I actually like the fact that it's not Uber. It means that I can use it in OU. And the fact that nobody expects a Kyurem means that people won't try to counter it.
And I actually like the fact that it's not Uber. It means that I can use it in OU. And the fact that nobody expects a Kyurem means that people won't try to counter it.
Well I wouldn't say the cutest pokemon ever (Buizel and the other Otter Pokemon, Growlithe, Poocheyena/Mighteyena, Rapidash, etc) but it is pretty cool looking. I don't know why people early on kept calling this thing ugly (which is also completely irrelevant to how well it does at battling) but it most certainly isn't and is awesome looking.
It partners well with Gliscor and stuff (eat it Fighting attacks!) and the downcrease in priority means it works even better. Scizor is not nearly so common nowadays and Breloom doesn't want to be risking on Kyurem (and Kyurem can be eved to easily survive Mach Punches/Bullet Punches anyways). And it's power is phenomenal. Nothing really safely switches in.
Ill been running kyuremu for ahwile now with life orb and heatran + frosslass as paretners. Your pretty much set for life.
Too bad "Spanish Inquisition" is too long for a nickname.
People seriously underestimate this guy. He has the same attack as Garchomp, and same Special Attack as Latios. He also has access to both Draco Meteor and Outrage. STAB Ice Beam and access to Focus Blast + Dragon = Perfect Neutral Coverage. And it has the bulk to survive hits.
It should be seeing a LOT more usage then it currently has...
It should be seeing a LOT more usage then it currently has...
As in, coupled with SW Abomasnow? Because Kyurem doesn't get SW.
But those pokemon both have excellent dual stabs and higher speed ratings, as well as better defensive typings, as well as access to boosting moves. Garchomp can exploit sand,which is the most common weather of all, and latios levitates, enough said about that.
And focus blast misses too much and he's not really powerful enough for it to matter on things like scizor. He can only absorb bullet punches if ev'd and with reflect. Also, nattorei lols.
And i'm pretty sure mixed isn't a great option-He can only do it well with outrage, and since you're switching in a steel into him, and most steels have a higher defense than special defense, that will get you locked in and killed for not much damage.
And any bulky attacker that has such entry hazards weaknesses and a terrible typing will usually have a lot knocked off on the switch-in anyways, especially since he only really resists grass and water.
See the problem?
1. Dragon is an amazing STAB (Duh), and Ice is right up there with Ground/Fighting in terms of useful Attacking Type. Latios's Psychic typing isn't helping it at all, as it is now pursuit weak. Garchomp gains a 4x weakness to Ice (One of Kyuremu's STABs, look at that). Each Type has their pros and Cons. With Dragon/Ice typing Kyuremu now takes Nuetral Damage from Ice attacks.
2. I can't say that Focus Blast is the most useful move out there, as I have had my share of Focus misses. But it does allow Kyuremu to achieve perfect neutral Coverage. Also most Dragons struggle against steels.
3. I'm not really talking about Mixed per-say, more of here is a monster that can fire off a Latios power Draco Meteor, and just when you think your safe out comes a Garchomp Powered Outrage. Yeah, most teams can take on one at a time, for instance Blissey walls Latios (for the most part) but a Garchomps outrage will severely dent her. So if you have one Pokemon that can fire off whichever one it is hard to bring in something to take that hit. If you want to go mixed it has access to Stone Edge also.
4. Hazards are much less prevalent this Gen. In fact Nattorie is one of the only mon's that I have faced lately that carries hazards at all. Kyuremu is bulky enough to take Neutral hits, and then threaten with a STAB Draco/Outrage/Ice Beam or if in Hail Blizzard.
I'm not saying that Kyuremu is game changing, I am saying that with a little support/proper set up, it can and will blow holes in your opponents team.
I'd call resisting Fighting moves actually a very big benefit to Latios' typing. You're certainly more likely to run into Mach Punch than you are Pursuit. Not to mention Latios can actually kill Pursuit users like Tyranitar and Scizor with Surf and HP Fire.
Focus Blast is the move you use when you have nothing better for coverage, and Kyurem absolutely NEEDS the Fighting coverage to hits Steels that resist its STABs... that or HP Fire.
And while I agree Kyurem is useful with screens (most mon are) it should not be the ones setting them up, like others are suggesting. You don't take someone with offensive stats like Kyurem and force him to set up screens along with Light Clay when you can be spamming Specs Blizzard in the hail or something. If you really need a dual screener, you have many optiosn like Jirachi, Mew, Uxie, etc.
Focus Blast is the move you use when you have nothing better for coverage, and Kyurem absolutely NEEDS the Fighting coverage to hits Steels that resist its STABs... that or HP Fire.
And while I agree Kyurem is useful with screens (most mon are) it should not be the ones setting them up, like others are suggesting. You don't take someone with offensive stats like Kyurem and force him to set up screens along with Light Clay when you can be spamming Specs Blizzard in the hail or something. If you really need a dual screener, you have many optiosn like Jirachi, Mew, Uxie, etc.
It doesn't need Light Clay (kind of needs the Leftovers) and Wish support makes it ridiculous. But still, it has pretty awesome bulky stats. It can set up it's own Hail if needed or really protect itself against attacks as it threatens Draco Meteor and Icebeam/Focus Blast/Hp Fire. It could go 3 attacks as well and only use 1 screen just to turn the tables (probably Reflect to stick it to those Scizors and Tyranitars who'll get burned by Hp Fire and Focus Blast respectively).
If this thing had gotten Snowstorm, Hail weather would overpower all and Kyurem would be an auto-uber, where he happens to fit right in with. They should have, I mean clearly it is meant to be one and they have Uber Rain and Uber Sun they should have Uber Hail and Sand. Those would be interesting.
Anyhow, this thing is such an awesome pokemon I don't know why people don't use it. After Reflect, Breloom signs it's own death warrant coming in, Scizor could get roasted (I'm starting to really love the idea of Hp Fire on this thing which I never put on before for some reason), Tyranitar's smashed, and few things can safely switch in on base 130 special attack stabbed Draco Meteors...just ask Latios.
lol i just have my specially defensive nattrei raped in the face by this thing.
This thing is severely underatted. Yeah but if the same Kyuremu that fuck me in that game is used by the same person who popularize 3 superstar in rain team, 1 which he popularize in his RMT, one which he show in his RMT to counter the first and one who he say the idea in suspect thread and become suddenly everywhere over the night which change the whole metagame, i wont be surprised really.
This thing is severely underatted. Yeah but if the same Kyuremu that fuck me in that game is used by the same person who popularize 3 superstar in rain team, 1 which he popularize in his RMT, one which he show in his RMT to counter the first and one who he say the idea in suspect thread and become suddenly everywhere over the night which change the whole metagame, i wont be surprised really.
660 BST and without a crippling ability like Slaking and Regigigas? GTFO.
Kyurem is underrated because Hail honestly sucks pretty badly. Other than that it's just sweet. Unlike its Base 95 speed Dragon-bro it can actually take hits in spite of a horrible typing. If the Hail starter was actually good we can just use a SpecsKyurem and rape the entire OU tier :/
No different from the other version mascot legends (I think it's safe to assume this will be the mascot for the third 5th gen game). It just has poor defensive typing.
Stone edge and Shadow ball offer it no coverage whatsoever. The main type it has problems with is steel, and both of those are NVE. There is no reason to ever run either of those two moves on Kyuremu.
And not really. Focus blast is a poor move to hit steels, considering the vast majority of OU steels are neutral.
Hidden power fire...on top of that, doesn't choice specs blizzard 2hko all the steels available?
HP isn't very strong. And I'd assume specially defensive jirachi could take 2. But 2 in a row hit harder than 2 latios DM, I see your point.
Heatran loves them Blizzards and HP Fires.
Heatrans a fat basturd!!! But uhh yeah, that's what bulky waters (vaporeon) are for. Focus blast can work too, but only 30% of the time. ;)
How the hell did I forget heatran? ttar's also a problem, reducing blizzard's accuracy to 70. But Focus Blast hits both of them SE. I guess he does have the bare minimum, but HP fire is still not that great compared to flamethrower, which he like Latios wishes he has. HP fire won't probably won't OHKO any steels bar scizor and nattorei (with specs).
I theorymoned a set, I don't know if its actually any good... But what about a bulky max sp atk set? 125/90/90 is nice, investment could make it pretty bulky while keeping 130 sp atk? Thoughts?