Oh no! A pokemon can't switch into Ho-oh!
Ho-oh may not have any counters, but he does have a numerous amount of perfectly viable checks. Susceptibility to sandstorm damage, 4x weakness to common stealth rocks, and base 90 speed means he's going to be revenged or forced out a lot. Terakion, SD Virizion, ScarfTyranitar, Gliscor, etc...
But what if Ho-oh's running Flame charge, brave bird, sacred fire, recover, calm mind, and thunderbolt all at the same time? It isn't. So there. Let's bring Ho-oh down from ubers then.
No offense, but while I don't find Latios uber personally, this kind of arguement can be applied to many uber pokemon.
That... doesn't work.
Pokemon like Ho-oh always have much more to them than that. Or, rather, they don't, because they don't
need anything more. Ho-oh is broken because you can't hit it hard physically because it'll burn you, you can't hit it hard specially because of its 106 / 90 / 154 defenses, and you can't
not hit it hard because it'll rip you to shreds. Unlike Latios, it doesn't need six moves or perfect prediction or anything for that, and that's why the argument works to separate what is and is not uber.
oh for the love of...
Geez, have you even been reading my posts? I'm not arguing that votes aren't important, although I would frankly prefer to go back to the Smogon Council. But that's not the point. It's votes that decide shit around here.
But I am telling you that you are wrong when you say that literally nothing can be done without a vote. That has been proven false in the past by the contrary actually occurring.
Oh my gosh I didn't actually use a dictionary. Gasp, I... simplified!
I'd just like to say that this came up about Speed Boost, and you're trying to turn it into a Sand Veil argument. This is made evident by your "other weather-abusing abilities" bit.
Anyway, there is also no evidence against the conclusion that other weather-abusing are not just as special. Given that they do different things (not doubled speed), one could say that they are in fact different. One more thing, please explain to me the logic you're using to draw your "most logical" conclusion. Because you spoke of logic but didn't actually show any.
In the post which was his proposal, he included basically his whole opinion on the matter. He included all his public statements about complex bans thus far. That post was his proposal. Now check Blind Voting. Smogon voted on "Aldaron's Proposal", not SwSw + Drizzle. They voted on all that was in his proposal, including his views.
One last thing, please try to avoid making shit up. You look at every post I've made, and I never so much as implied that policy can be changed on a whim. I'm sorry to say that putting words in my mouth will not help your case.
In saying that policy can be changed as easily as a few offhand words, you
are saying that policy can be changed on a whim. What I am saying is that policy was
not changed by Phillip's words in the suspect threads. Unless you can prove evidence to the contrary, cease this farce.
The fact that you used the wrong definition of "unique" was not the point. It was a matter that needed to be addressed in order to get to the actual point.
The only reasoning Aldaron presented for some weather-abusing abilities being special was how much they were changed by the presence of weather-inducing abilities, a quality shared among all weather-abusing abilities. There is nothing in anything that he said that indicates that it also only mattered because of the change in speed, just that at the time, that change in speed was the only difference that he felt the need to address. But enough about this. If you want to insist that Aldaron meant one specific thing and could not possibly have meant anything else, have him come in here and say so.
The thread in which Aldaron made his proposal was not titled "Aldaron's proposal". In his post, he used variations of the word "proposal" three times, and they were all referring to a ban, not a change in policy. Nowhere was it stated that the proposal was everything Aldaron said; rather, it appears that Aldaron's proposal
was the ban on Swift Swim + Drizzle, nothing more. Everything else was his own reasoning as to why it would work. Therefore, this is the only thing we know the voters intentionally voted on.
