I agree with that. Chansey is fine, but i think eviolite is the problem. Without it, it is not overpowered. I think we should only ban it with eviolite, but let it in without it.
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np: UU Suspect Test Round 1 - Sunny Days
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I agree with that. Chansey is fine, but i think eviolite is the problem. Without it, it is not overpowered. I think we should only ban it with eviolite, but let it in without it.
Deo-D has a bad hp for a defensive poke, and only an OK typing, while he has a good movepool with reliable recovery he is beaten by cresselia in being defensive (and with sun Moonlight is all ways of reliable), so i don0t think he even deserves a mention this round (or any other really), while the pixies are great you still can use most pokes in UU without them being outclassed (people might not see this now, but when the broken pokes are out they probably will)
PS: the most effective bisharp i've seen is the deadly Sub+SD with only SP+iron head/brick break
PSS: if you want to ban chansey BAN IT, not it with eviolite, if that's her best set and its broken in UU then BAN IT, blaziken was ok with blaze but was fully banned because his best sets (with Speed Boost) were too much (i still think she deserves a fair trial in round 2 with victini)
PS: the most effective bisharp i've seen is the deadly Sub+SD with only SP+iron head/brick break
PSS: if you want to ban chansey BAN IT, not it with eviolite, if that's her best set and its broken in UU then BAN IT, blaziken was ok with blaze but was fully banned because his best sets (with Speed Boost) were too much (i still think she deserves a fair trial in round 2 with victini)
Alright since this is the initial run I may as well throw some test ideas out there to see if they stick. For this round i'm adding a lower requirement of 1350. If you hit this requirement you'll have to send in "sentences" explaining why you're voting the way you are on certain suspects. These aren't like the paragraphs of yore that require perfect explanations and detailed arguments, something like this would suffice:
"Pikachu should be BL, its offensive capabilities compete with those of Rayquaza and with a Nasty Plot boost, nothing can stand in its way. It may be frail, but because of that I'd compare it to D-A in OU. It can't take a hit, but nothing can take one if its hits. Whenever it comes in, something is dying a brutal death."
Here's what I wouldn't accept:
"Pikachu is UU because my team handles it well. I have Dugtrio so I just kill it after it kills something."
As you can see, generally as long as you're not a complete idiot. I don't want more than 2-3 sentences, and I want you to get straight to the point. This is really just as an incentive for people who can get to 1400 to get to 1400 and to open the voter pool to people who can't quite make it, but are intelligent enough to vote.
This is a test run and I'll see how it works through feedback and results.
UU: The laboratory of experimentation
"Pikachu should be BL, its offensive capabilities compete with those of Rayquaza and with a Nasty Plot boost, nothing can stand in its way. It may be frail, but because of that I'd compare it to D-A in OU. It can't take a hit, but nothing can take one if its hits. Whenever it comes in, something is dying a brutal death."
Here's what I wouldn't accept:
"Pikachu is UU because my team handles it well. I have Dugtrio so I just kill it after it kills something."
As you can see, generally as long as you're not a complete idiot. I don't want more than 2-3 sentences, and I want you to get straight to the point. This is really just as an incentive for people who can get to 1400 to get to 1400 and to open the voter pool to people who can't quite make it, but are intelligent enough to vote.
This is a test run and I'll see how it works through feedback and results.
UU: The laboratory of experimentation
That could be a reasonable argument... if Eviolite was exclusive to Chansey, akin to Soul Dew being exclusive to the Latis (or even Griseous Orb to Giratina in Platinum). But instead, it may be used by nearly 400 pokémon and lol none of them are even close to broken, sooooo Chansey is the problem.
If you're talking about banning V-Create instead of Victini, I don't see how an over-complication argument applies here but not with "ban Drizzle instead of Politoed", or "ban Soul Dew as it breaks both Lati".
Besides, as "insignificant" as it may be, I thought people wanted to ban Drought and not Vulpix ?__?
So, if you've got 1400, you don't need to give a couple of sentences why you think something should be banned when it comes to the voting?
Sounds like a good system actually.
I really like the 1350 explanation, 1400 no need system. It opens the voting pool up a bit more and as long as people are completely retarded allows them to vote when they might not have been able to make it.
"not completely", I presume
It's all over though :O
anubite, the Pokémon you're talking about will be banned in due time if they are deemed broken by the electorate.
And about Moltres: if you don't like the drops that V-Create puts on Victini, then Moltres / Magmortar Overheat is the next strongest attack in the sun ;) Can't remember if there's anything between their Fire Blasts and their Overheats, though... Overheat would be kind of bad in a tier with so many Chansey running around.
And about Moltres: if you don't like the drops that V-Create puts on Victini, then Moltres / Magmortar Overheat is the next strongest attack in the sun ;) Can't remember if there's anything between their Fire Blasts and their Overheats, though... Overheat would be kind of bad in a tier with so many Chansey running around.
I really wish I could directly respond to Suspect Nominations in the other thread.
Not to mention you do not need three SDs to beat Chansey. Unless we're assuming the crappy Bold 252HP/252Def set, which even then,
Adamant +2 Atk 252Atk Weavile vs. +1 Def 252HP/252Def Bold Chansey: 83% - 97.7%
And I'm gonna end this post with a statistic quote from the last month of Gen 4 UU
If your Kyurem or Victini isn't breaking through Deoxys-D, you're doing it wrong.
How is this any different from last gen?
Why are we suddenly assuming Chansey is running the inferior set of Bold 252HP/252Def?
Chansey isn't as heavy as people seem to think. Low Kick only has 60 base power against Chansey. You're better off using Brick Break.
Not to mention you do not need three SDs to beat Chansey. Unless we're assuming the crappy Bold 252HP/252Def set, which even then,
Adamant +2 Atk 252Atk Weavile vs. +1 Def 252HP/252Def Bold Chansey: 83% - 97.7%
No. Tangrowth and Lilligant is one way sun beats your team. Other people are weak to other aspects of Drought. Hence why Drought as a whole should go, not individual pokemon.
And I'm gonna end this post with a statistic quote from the last month of Gen 4 UU
Chansey has always had weaknesses. And I can assure you, more bulk wasn't what she needed to fix them.
Plenty of people run 252HP/252Def Bold Chansey. Weather it is good or not is irrelevant. You should prepare for what is used, not for what should be. And who the hell runs an Adamant Weavile? Isn't the point of using him to abuse the awesome speed with Jolly? And yes, I know Low Kick is weaker vs Chansey. However it is stronger vs everyone else you want it to hit, making it the better choice. Assuming the above, at +4, it still may only do around 90%
No actually, I don't mind them so much. In fact, I really don't mind drought at all. But if something is broken, I think it is the ones who can put you to sleep, and absurdly boost. So don't tell me that I want to ban stuff because I can't beat it. If you disagree, then show an actual argument. Don't just say that I am wrong and it is broken.
You do know this means absolutely nothing.
Of course if I was "smart" about it it's not impossible, and of course I've beaten Deo-D with the help of those Pokemon.
I just meant that when ridiculously powerful offensive Pokemon like Kyurem and Victini, spamming attacks like hail LO Blizzard and CB V-Create can't break through something while hitting for neutral damage (Pressure + Recover), imo-- that is really ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous, is the prospect of battling Deo-D once those Pokemon are gone. Would it be impossible to beat? No, but then Lugia in OU wouldn't be impossible to beat either-- that's hardly the point.
Has anybody considered banning Growth instead of Drought entirely? Under the sun, Growth is basically equal to a Swords Dance and a Nasty Plot, which can make its users very powerful on both sides of the attacking spectrum. If the Growth user switches in safely into something that cannot do much back to it, it can use Growth, potentially put something to sleep, and nab another Growth, effectively having +4 attack and special attack. By banning Growth, the damage output from mixed attackers like Victreebel and Tangrowth significantly decreases, and this weakens many Grass type special attackers, making it much easier to play against Sun teams.
Sawsbuck is a great sweeper witout growth, fire types doesn't need it either, there are so many aspects of dought (that alone may not be broken but all together they are)
PS: how does Deo-D takes heracross/escavalier 's megahorn, the worst part of Deo-d is that he is slow (unless running max speed) enough to 2HKO most stuff, then there's the fast but frailer set which is great to taunt, but still is neutral to most stuff and not as bulky (and weak to taunt itself because no Magic Coat)
PS: how does Deo-D takes heracross/escavalier 's megahorn, the worst part of Deo-d is that he is slow (unless running max speed) enough to 2HKO most stuff, then there's the fast but frailer set which is great to taunt, but still is neutral to most stuff and not as bulky (and weak to taunt itself because no Magic Coat)
I've been looking at a few Golurk sets since it can switch in on almost any Chansey and force it out (unless it carries Toxic). With one turn of setup you can set up a Sub, Curse up, or Rock Polish. It can also use a Choice Band and hit whatever switches in as hard as possible.
Unfortunately it doesn't get great coverage moves, nor can it make good use of its Ghost STAB (Shadow Punch is 108 BP after STAB and Iron Fist). In addition, the Rock Polish set can only outspeed up to Scarf Rotom Formes if it's Jolly (Adamant doesn't outspeed any notable Scarfers, although it outspeeds unboosted positive base 130s).
Unfortunately it doesn't get great coverage moves, nor can it make good use of its Ghost STAB (Shadow Punch is 108 BP after STAB and Iron Fist). In addition, the Rock Polish set can only outspeed up to Scarf Rotom Formes if it's Jolly (Adamant doesn't outspeed any notable Scarfers, although it outspeeds unboosted positive base 130s).
but it does get no guard dynamic punch, which, with luck can take out that chansey
How exactly do you propose Golurk to "curse up" when curse cuts his HP in half for a status that is removed when the opposing Pokemon switches out?
Except that No Guard Golurk hasn't even been released yet.
WTF @ the lack of basic metagame knowledge in this topic. Iron Fist SubPunch Golurk or Iron Fist CBGolurk. That is all.
Chansey was destroyed by outrage...This thing should not be taking physical hits.
Maybe I missed something in that post? That was from the suspect nominations thread.
Anyway, I find it slightly odd that people are nominating Staraptor. No, I'm not denying that he's good at all.
Maybe I missed something in that post? That was from the suspect nominations thread.
Anyway, I find it slightly odd that people are nominating Staraptor. No, I'm not denying that he's good at all.
Hammer arm also works. I don't know why, but it gets the IF boost.
Fireburn was talking about a Kyurem's Outrage, which indeed destroys Chansey.
How is running Max HP / Def Chansey inferior? Even without investment, Chansey has about as much Special Defense as Blissey running 252 SpD and a Calm nature. In return, you get to patch up Chansey rather crappy physical defense. Please enlighten us all on how that spread is worse.
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