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i'd like to call into question mr quagsires' desire for 'bit of pressure'

i have responded to all claims about my actions, i admit i had a bit of a logic slip when thinking through the lynch process but my reasons for doubting hsa were sound, as no cc was ever given, i doubted him no longer.

i'm not sure why any pressure needs to be applied here?? unless you have something further you'd like me to address beyond you hold me to some high standard that doesn't allow for a misdirected thought ??

sure you just don't want to lynch off one of your non-mafia buddies, mr sire?
 
Sorry for not responding for a while; I've been meaning to post I just haven't gotten around to it. I actually forgot to send in an action last night (x_x) but I didn't get a result PM saying I was hooked. So maybe polelover44 was the hooker? And rickheg, if you continue to ignore the thread we're just going to have to waste a lynch/vig/alliance check on you and if you're actually village then it would be completely wasted.
 
seems kinda odd that alpha werewolf would save spiffy from a godkill but then not prod him when he idled...

could this mean that the death of polelover has put the mafia in a bigger disadvantage than previously assumed?

anyway lynch rickheg for now
 
Ah, I guess I haven't posted in awhile.

There's twelve of us left...assuming there were five mafia to begin with, that means there should be four mafia and eight town left. A total of three townies have been definitely cleaned (HSA, DLE, and Spiffy), meaning there are a total of nine potential targets for the lynch: billymills, Quagsires, DLC, Yeti, Fatecrashers, J-man, rickheg, Acklow, and myself.

For the five uncleaned villagers, that means there are a total of eight targets, four of which are mafia. If we don't take behavior into account and just lynch randomly, there's a 50% chance that we'll hit scum, which I'll admit is attractive.

Given that, as this game has already shown, perceived 'scummy' behavior is not an entirely reliable indicator of being mafia (as any intelligent mafia isn't going to act scummy), I'm interested in hearing other people's thoughts about voting randomly.
 
voting randomly only seems like a moderately attractive proposition because of your underlying assumption that there were 5 mafia to begin with

if that assumption turns out to be wrong then the whole thing falls apart
 
Fyi i am not lynching anyone today unless their names are either yeti, detroitlolcat, or quagsire.

And now i actually have some free time to post why I find yeti particularly suspicious.

Yeti's more recent posts reinforce my suspicions of her. Her reaction to HSA's claim seems scummy in the conditions of hsa being town or mafia. If hsa were town, she is putting unwarranted suspicion on a sheriff claim in a way that seems to try saving polelover from lynching. If hsa were mafia, the way she phrases it sounds forced rather than a sincere doubt. Yeah, I doubted his claim too, but the way you did it seemed as though it was unwarranted. In her defense to billy and I voting her, she merely reiterated her thoughts on the matter without articulating any why's, making the admission seem forced. She then goes and says "you don't want to lynch off one of your non-mafia buddies, mr sire" which reeks of scum.

In addition, looking back to day 2 in response to isaac's voting polelover:
Yeti said:
I've been "insistent" on you because YOU have been insistent that your own ability in this game is to follow whoever starts voting. There was ABSOLUTELY no reason to bandwagon polelover that early and to claim (or continue claiming) you had no choice.
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She was quick to defend polelover, who is proven mafia, yet had no problem with any of the earlier bandwagons presented and even suggested just choosing someone and voting them. She once again puts doubt into a power role claim, one which was proven to be town by seeing who died last night. Also consider that it was suggested that isaac be lynched that day by a few people (can't remember who...), and it would make sense that the mafia may have tried to pin a lynch on isaac even though he was the only doctor claim.

There is no one who has defended polelover to nearly the lengths that yeti has, and her reaction to hsa's claim on day 3 just furthers that idea.

Yeti if you're honestly not mafia you have played fucking terribly.
 
As of right now I'm seeing two mafia possibilities. Since the mafia have a hooker and a day kill, I'm thinking there were only four mafia members at the start of the game.

The first, and most likely in my opinion, is Yeti, Acklow, and one of DLC or Fangren; Leaning towards Fangren.

The second is billymills, Quagsires, and one of rickheg or Fatecrashers; Leaning toward rickheg.

J-man is acting like he normally does so he seems clean to me.

The reason why I am leaning towards the first set of users is because Yeti has pushed for majority for no reason:
Yeti said:
by my count there's 9 votes on j-man

unless Vote j-man doesn't count and it needs to be Vote: j-man

could've counted wrong

if our host would like to confirm??
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Yeti also freaked out on masterful just for voting for her:
Yeti said:
hey genius
making one tl;dr doesn't qualify as regular contributions

you stand out to me as not really doing much or anything significant except voting and wanting things to end

don't have an opinion eh?? now why is that? because your mafia buds determine your opinion? perhaps they aren't on right now to tell you what your opinion should be. EVERY villager in this game should be formulating their own opinions and reading peoples' posts. the fact you're so disinclined to state or hold one (note how that was a bone of contention with isaac who claimed he had no choice but to bandwagon) lends you no credibility as a (useful) villager.

voting me as well eh? a rather defensive move on your end. rather than unvote or leave your vote, a scummy move was certainly to vote the person attempting to get you to speak up or vote someone else under heavy suspicion.

note how at no point did I say you were actually mafia or that I felt very strongly you were scum, rather, I pointed out how your actions could easily be construed as scummy. and here you go voting me because you, like isaac, apparently have no choice in the matter? you feel like you have to?? maybe one of your mafia mates is on and told you it was the best idea???

if you had bothered to read the thread you'd know that voting and insinuating you have little to no control over your own vote is likely not a wise decision. which leads me to believe you are indeed a scum following other villagers' examples, unfortunately, isaac acted quite poorly to avoid suspicion.

child please. if you have no opinion on who is scum you should not be voting if you're not going to try to scumhunt someone out (like I am doing with you). rather you just look suspect now.
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If you look at what I have bolded, Yeti uses this argument against masterful a bunch of times. However, all user: Acklow has done all game is spew walls of text with excuses, such as this one:
Acklow said:
Well, I guess I may as well put my defense up. See there's something called "interest". There's also something called "obligations". And then there are things you just can't control.

First things first: My moving my stuff from VA to MN. That was something I could not control. Sorry that it had to be that way, but it did.

Second: My current situations in ASB are actually an obligation of you ask me. I am set up in two tag battles, and I don't want to ruin the fun for the other players. If I had the chance, I would quit them, but once again, I don't want to ruin it for the other players.

Third: My interest in this game was quite high during the beginning as you can tell. I've been losing interest to this game due to the fact that everything that has been going on so far has been finger pointing and saying "oh, uh you are active a lot, but you don't say much" or "well, you took part in the vote without explaining yourself". When there isn't high enough of an interest (like in my case), why should I force myself to post at least once a page?

As for my little side comments and vote tallies, well I guess you could say I like to be helpful in small quantities... lately, I don't get to go on Smogon for long amounts of time, unless I'm given the opportunity. The tallies in the beginning were partly due to my high interest in this game. The latest tally was because DetroitLolcat asked for a tally, and I had the time to put it together. I don't have much to contribute when it comes to the conversation in this Mafia game, which is also why I don't talk much. This is generally why I've stayed in agreement with those who had the most convincing arguments in my head.

And, I would like to toss my last ace in the hole: I have other priorities. Primarily life if you ask me. I'm sorry I have to be blunt like that, but quite a bit of stuff has been going on lately for me. This is the kind of stuff you can't control.


tl;dr, Fate has a cool avatar. I'll ask you what anime its from later...

Oh, and before I forget...since it is sort of useless to vote J-man right now (I'm getting villie vibes from the dude, honest)
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Other posts from him have been vote counts (which are useless because we have a host) and commenting about things not even about the game. Yeti has not said a word about Acklow. Also, Yeti has no problem with targetting masterful, but Fangren has played similarly, if not, completely identical to the way masterful played, yet Yeti hasn't said a word about him.

Last thing, I have seen Acklow on IRC a lot more than before this game started. Coincidence? I think not!

Not voting yet, I want as much discussion as possible.
 
I'm liking Spiffy's reasoning and Acklow has really only posted vote tallies and "I can't be too active" posts. Yeti is looking scummier then ever and if Spiffy's right, then the mafia is Yeti, Fangren, and Acklow. I doubt Spiffy is 100% accurate in his predictions simply because it's difficult to correctly predict the entire mafia in one post, but I think those three players need to post some defense. I've been wanting to lynch rickheg for a while now but I think he just might be a Galladiator-like townie.

Top suspects (no order): J-Man, Acklow, Yeti, rickheg.

I lean towards J-Man because UncleSam said that if J-Man was mafia then so was polelover, and polelover was mafia! o_O! I know that doesn't make J-Man mafia, but it makes him suspicious! Acklow I kind of liked this game, but Spiffy presented a pretty good argument against him. I don't want to lynch Acklow, but I will with a little more evidence. Rickheg I've suspected for a while, IIRC he voted for me Day 2 without evidence. Yeti is obvious at this point.
 
lol please you crybabies

i explained the why, maybe you're too damp to understand it??

i like how spiffy's rambling about my accusation of masterful was from like two weeks ago timewise and not even relevant.
i didn't like how masterful's posts were worded, but he kept truckin insisting i read what he had to say so i read it, again, i took problem with his phrasing.
acklow's tl;drs i admit i barely read. i genuinely don't remember what any of them have said.
the only thing he did i can recall was try and lynch spiffy before remembering spiffy was cleaned

i am not sure how i defended polelover, who at the time, was not confirmed mafia. nor was hsa confirmed village. i pointed out the suspicious actions of hsa because i felt he was taking a very easy way out, then when his role shifted from inspector to sheriff i was even more suspicious he was simply tossing an accusation at another suspected-scum man.
considering we have yet to lynch anyone who has claimed a power role when that role has claimed for threat of being lynched, i thought it was a rather shifty move to claim at that moment when he easily could have been rolled for suspicious action himself.
when no cc was presented, i rescinded my suspicions and voted polelover myself. there was always the chance the inspector could have also gotten a mafia reading on pole and was content to let hsa lead the lynch, staying quiet, to avoid outing himself, but that ship had sailed by the end of the day imo.

you act like i knew hsa was clean and pole was scum when posting.. i didn't. hsa could have tried to lynch any players under high suspicion at the start of the day and my reaction would have been the same: nice scapegoat bruh.
conveniently for us, he is indeed the sheriff and did indeed find a scum.

i like how you try to cite a line i have stated many times before, whether in mafia game threads or channels, as evidence of my scumliness. i am SURE, beyond a shadow of a doubt, my continued use of the phrase is a true sign i am mafia.

spiffy seems to be confused and tl;drs.
i don't remember if i even voted for j-man but it seemed like we were close, i don't see how i 'pushed for majority'. i merely pointed out i thought i'd counted 9 votes, which was majority, because the day was taking too gd long. i stated i thought there might have been majority, which if anything dissuades additional votes, not once do you see me advocating for majority.

other users have been targeting acklow and fangren for their actions as well. it seemed to me masterful was going relatively unchallenged with his shoddy posts. if you would like me to analyze acklow and fangren's contributions i can?? i simply felt at the time, masterful was more deserving of my views.. which i felt ruled him suspicious but not outright scum.

i don't see where i 'freaked out' he voted me either. i took problem with the content of his post, not the person he was voting for.

spiffy maybe you should stop being truckin delusional and enter the real world, where posting =/= freaking out.

the funny thing is, if pole hadn't been mafia and hsa lying (or paranoid), your suspicions would be flying the opposite way. merely the fact i thought hsa's actions were sketch, admitting he was likely right before the day even ended when there was no cc and BEFORE it was confirm-confirmed pole was mafia through his death, is not enough to say i am scum.
 
Opinion time! I felt like this is a good time to post something like this.

Obvious Villagers:

Spiffy: Cleaned. Vig. I totally forgot you were cleaned by HSA when I posted last night, partly due to me being very tired and not thinking clearly.

HSA: Alliance checker. I must admit I was a little suspicious of you when you claimed AC after being called out by DLE, but after the lynch on pole, I feel it is quite clear that you are the real deal.

DLE: Clean as a bird. I don't have much to comment on you otherwise.

Potentially Village:

billymills: My intuition says you are likely village. However, since you do have some considerable experience behind you, I would have to admit it is also possible you have been doing a good job as mafia. Once again though, I'd say you are village. I'll give you an 80% chance of being so.

Fatecrashers: You've BWed on every vote so far. I'd say you have some to contribute to the village, but at the same time you could also be like billy and just playing extremely smart. I'll give you a 70% chance. Though I'm also surprised nobody, other than Spiffy, has given thought to the chance of you truly being mafia.

Quagsires: Smartsires. You are playing extremely intelligently, so I applaud you for that. I think you are likely to be village. Though if you were mafia with anyone here, I'd say the mafia is truly benefiting from having the likes of you on their team. I'll give you a 70% of being village.

J-man: You play like you usually do. Except this time you're trying not to act stupid. I'll give you benefit of the doubt and say you are 70% village. Like I said earlier, though, I AM getting village vibes from you.

Potentially Mafia:

Fangren: I expect more from an experienced player like yourself. I haven't played with you in mafia too much (maybe we haven't played together at all other than this game), but from looking over previous games you've been in, you should be more contributional. I'll give you a 65% chance of being mafia.

DetroitLolcat: I don't know about you but I think you seem like a plausible mafia member. More so than Fangren. I'll give you a 70% chance of being mafia.

Yeti: I've seen you play in Castlevania, Hoenn, and Peace NOCed Down. In NOCed down, you were village, but everyone thought you were mafia. You played slightly stupid, and got the lynchhammer (if I do recall correctly). In Hoenn you were opposing mafia of me, and you played quite sporadically (the game ended too shortly for me to have been sure of what would've happened to you. In Castlevania, you were moling my faction, and by connecting the dots quite early on I was able to determine you were doing so. I'd have to say that you are probably the most sporadic player this game, and in doing so, I don't know for sure if you are mafia or not. BUT intuition says that you are. I'll give you a 70% chance of being mafia.

Neutral:

Rickheg: You don't care too much about this game, and you don't post much. I don't have any opinion of your playstyle or what you have said so far.

Myself: I can't prove myself as village unless I'm lynched, vigged, killed, or inspected. I'd prefer inspection, but if you all would prefer, you can lynch/vig me today/tomorrow/the day after that. Mafia has no need to kill me (unless they plan on wasting another shot on a vanillager). Quite honestly, the sooner I'm out of this game the better (I've got FF5 and Turnabout Engine/The Nonary Turnabout to prepare for, and I'm a bit busy in CAP ASB),but obviously it is up to the discretion of everyone else.

tl;dr: If I could vote for two people it would be DLC and Yeti, but alas I cannot. And since I want this game out of the way of my weekly schedule, to Vote: Yeti seems like a viable choice. I'd also like to have myself cleaned (or Fatecrashers, hehehehe...).

Lastly: what if there truly is a twist to this game? Quagsires mentioned it before and it recently crossed my mind that there truly could be one beyond what we have seen so far.
 
no actually i was nightkilled in peace noc

i was gone the first chunk of the game with v little internet access so people got GRRRRR ANGRY SUSPICIOUS because i wasn't posting tl;drs every gd truckin hour.
fortunately the dual inspectors cleaned me.

also we had hoenn on lock lol we were gonna win don't even pose bruh i was a gd champ.

as for castlevania, i admit i should have scripted all of bunnymaster's lines.. you'd have had no clue had he not revealed something you'd told very few people.

as for this game itself, i post when i please. when i take problem with someone's phrasing or mindset, i point it out. i certainly don't bandwagon or force any lynch as spiffy would have you believe.
 
You all seem to be pushing detroitlolcats as a mafia. The one thing I did notice from him was that he was the first to side with HSA last lynch. His wall of text of reasoning was a bit strange, but it's a point for him none the less.

Spiffy, idling, really?

What the fuck...
 
Hey, it seems I'm kind of a big suspect at the moment but I would like to clear myself because we cannot afford another mislynch. I would like to know why I am being suspected as mafia. If it was because my wall of text was strange I can try to clarify. I just really don't understand the argument against me.
 
You constantly point out things that you do as trying to avoid suspicion and mention how you don't want to bandwagon, yet as a townie, you should feel safe in just being you and defending your own opinions. The very fact that you seem so concerned with appearing pro-town rather than being pro-town is a scumtell in and of itself.
 
Oh, I guess I see your reasoning. This is my first real mafia game and from the start people were immediately pointing fingers and votes because of bandwagoning, so I felt that if I shared a similar idea with people I would get lynched for bandwagoning and I wanted to last long/help the village so I acted pro-town and made sure the rest of the town knew I was pro-town.

This continued after the two mislynches because Galladiator and masterful both just said something and tried to back it up (as you mentioned in your post) and got lynched because of it, so I made sure now to bandwagon without tons of reasoning and continued to act really pro-town.

I agree that I was obsessed with appearing pro-town, but that appearance was genuine; I am very pro-town. Sorry if I've been acting too defensively this game, I am part of this village and I do not want my defensiveness to be the reason we lose this game.
 
I also hate that last post of yours, barring the fact that you're new and that I can see some fear in being lynched. But masterful shouldn't have been lynched in my honest opinion, and galladiator only got lynched because unclesam got a major case of tunnel vision and was more townish than galladiator.
 
@Detroitlolcat

I didn't just stick up for polelover (i'm pretty certain. If i didn't, let this be a new lesson in why i'm not scum... I'm still pretty certain you'll find me saying this somewhere in the thread).

as i said before, i didn't just stick up for polelover. I'm fairly certain i said i couldn't really find anyone scummy if they said "life>mafia", because that's the same excuse i used. Now if I started saying "you seem very scummy for saying Life>Mafia", how hypocritical would that seem?
 
DetroitLolcat said:
Rickheg I've suspected for a while, IIRC he voted for me Day 2 without evidence.
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I can make a post of real substance later tonight when I finally catch a break from work (in like 9 hours) but I'd like to point out I never voted for you. You've been accusing me since D1 for no real reason I can tell. I feel like you've just been trying to get me killed.
 
Okay, I've read through the last few day cycles again. No one really stands out as being incredibly scummy to me, although DLC has been looking like a better and better lynch target to me. He doesn't make very much sense to me. He's been trying to lynch from D1 for, what I can tell, agreeing with US's logic. And that most recent post kinda does it for me. He admits to worrying more about appearing pro-town than being pro-town. That just doesn't make sense for a townie to do.

Also, I'm not going to bother saying why I wasn't around to post, because I'm sure everyone's sick of that by now.
 
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