Urasing has acsess to perfect coverage normal stab is good in this tier with less steels quick feet and guts are better, SS is irrelevent since rain teams aren't used in this tier and so what with jolly you hit 436 speed so now most common scarfers will outspeed you and beartics base 110 attack doesn't really cut it as it will miss out on kills, icicle crash also has the ability to miss so it isn't really reliable at all (although you can flinch) your coverage moves tend to have low BP (besides stone edge which isn't the most reliable thing either) Ice is terrible defensive coverage. So all you did really was prove me right it's pretty much unusable without rain up while you could use better sweepers at the same time and with LO and hazard damage you will get run down eventually. Snow cloak is underwhelming like cacturne with sand veil you miss once fine you can recover from it. Urasing on the other hand can function outside of weather stronger fast better move pool etc. Beartic might as well be Ursarings personal bitch.
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Urasing has acsess to perfect coverage normal stab is good in this tier with less steels quick feet and guts are better, SS is irrelevent since rain teams aren't used in this tier and so what with jolly you hit 436 speed so now most common scarfers will outspeed you and beartics base 110 attack doesn't really cut it as it will miss out on kills, icicle crash also has the ability to miss so it isn't really reliable at all (although you can flinch) your coverage moves tend to have low BP (besides stone edge which isn't the most reliable thing either) Ice is terrible defensive coverage. So all you did really was prove me right it's pretty much unusable without rain up while you could use better sweepers at the same time and with LO and hazard damage you will get run down eventually. Snow cloak is underwhelming like cacturne with sand veil you miss once fine you can recover from it. Urasing on the other hand can function outside of weather stronger fast better move pool etc. Beartic might as well be Ursarings personal bitch.
Seriously man, I don't think there is any reason to argue for or against Beartic... Just let the ice bear rest in the depths of NU.
Actually Beartics base attack is 115. With swift swim its base speed is brought up to 100. And he has basee 80 defenses. That sounds pretty formidable. Plus with snow cloak, I would much rather have one turn when my opponent misses then when I get none at all. And I didn't say anything about ice being good defensively. I also don't want to be bringing my health down by some stupid orb that either burns me or poisons me just so I can get a boost. BTW with the accuracy issues? Two words. Hone Claws.
Swift Swim Beartic isn't released yet.
Even if he was, you would have to run Jolly just to make use of this pseudo-Base 100 speed, which isn't that great for a sweeper at all. On top of this you would be losing out on power he desperately needs by not running Adamant on his barely acceptable base 115 Attack.
and lol at relying on a turn of setup with this thing.
....you need to rely on a turn to set up with lots of things. Plus, if 115 base attack is bad then what is average attack supposed to be?
Beartic reaches within 2 Spe of Base 150 Pokemon such as Deoxys-A btw.
Just for anyone curious, a good way to approximately compare Base stats is to add 50 to them to simulate having full EVs and Nature.
Thus Beartic's Base 50 Speed becomes 100, doubled with Swift Swim to get 300. To see what Base Speed it compares with just take away 50 to remove EVs and Nature thus getting 150, which it approximately is.
Just for anyone curious, a good way to approximately compare Base stats is to add 50 to them to simulate having full EVs and Nature.
Thus Beartic's Base 50 Speed becomes 100, doubled with Swift Swim to get 300. To see what Base Speed it compares with just take away 50 to remove EVs and Nature thus getting 150, which it approximately is.
Fixed,
I always considered 105 the average,not extremly strong,but still packs a punch.
Really? It's 110 according to serebii like I said beartic lacks a really strong move nothing besides icicle crash hits for over 100 BP on this guy. With only 110 attack and no adamant nature you won't have enough power to KO top tier threats failing to KO means death rain getting closer to ending etc. Beartic is like Electivire in the sense that it just isn't strong enough to get that massive damage output. Oh yeah here is a scenario you send beartic in pokemon X I switch into beartic counter/check you hone claws you switch or you die GG.
Unless you have a sash :D. Aw who am I kidding. Beartic is kinda in trouble the tier. I'm still going to use him anyway.
BTW if you are looking for a good stab move for beartic, then how about avalanche? Its slow enough that it will get hit by some move and then it can avalanche which would then have 120 base power. Then you add stab. 180 base power. And trust me, there are some guys who decide their pokemon can handle the random poke because I didn't send something that is super effetive against it. Then they dont KO and they lose a mon.
You sound like more than a noob, you sound like a total idiot like 90% of the time. "Surprise sets" made by people that know nothing about competitive battling don't work. Never have, never will.
It isn't a good idea since beartic has no bulk what so ever it's only good defensive stat is HP pretty much so avalanche on beartic is a bad idea since what you're trying to KO will promptly outspeed and if it is a it wont attack you most likely so no boost for you :(.
95/80/80 is decent bulk, comparable to Clefable/Quagsire/Moltres/Nidoqueen/Arcanine/Flygon. I highly suggest you start actually trying out things before you just bash them.
Avalanche is actually a decent idea, as you have the bulk to survive a hit then KO back with a 180 BP move, coming off of an attack stat almost as good as Entei's.
I don't think Beartic will get much usage with either Typhlosion or Entei being on ~80% of all teams. I could maybe see him getting paried with Snover for Hail Hax and Phlosion for absorbing Fire, but he just doesn't have the stats to really make an impact on the meta...
Fuck I've been comparing the thing to ursaring so much that I mixed up there defenses my bad lol. 95/80/80 is good just not with ice typing getting of a avalanche correctly is rather hard heres why
Scenario 1: You have beartic I have a beartic weak pokemon I switch into fire type resist avalanche it isn't boosted and I force you out or kill you
Scenario 2: A wall stays in because it can take a hit and might hit you (probably won't but for examples sake it does) If the person thought it could take a icicle crash then I'm sure it can take an avalanche
Scenario 3: two offensive pokemon I stay in too kill you I kill you because I'm faster and if you are it's weaker then icicle crash
Can you give me a few scenarios that are probable where avalanche would work because as far as I can see beartic sucks plain and simple.
I'm saying the defensive SR set in general sucks not sure about metang, I imagine it's only half-decent as well since it can't really take a fire type move regardless ferroseed and murkow rapes it as well just saying
Hey, peeps. I've been using a Porygon-Z set I created, and I've definitely made it work, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.
Modest / Life Orb / Download
- Agility
- Tri Attack
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power Fighting / Thunderbolt
4 Defense / 252 Sp. Attack / 252 Speed
The goal of this set is to find the right time to switch in, get +1 in Sp. Attack from Download, use Agility, and sweep. With both a successful Download and Life Orb, Porygon-Z's Sp. Attack is effectively 789 (or 787 with HP Fighting). Agility raises its Speed to 558 (HP Fighting = 556), making it faster than most Scarf carriers! Tri-Attack is the obligatory STAB move, and Ice Beam gives crucial coverage, as well as blasting away the prime setup fodder Poke when you're done with it: Eviolite Tangela (when you already have something else asleep). HP Fighting or Thunderbolt both have their advantages in terms of coverage and power, and it's your choice which one you want. This set is most useful mid- or late-game, when P-Z's counters/checks are either severely injured or dead.
Modest / Life Orb / Download
- Agility
- Tri Attack
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power Fighting / Thunderbolt
4 Defense / 252 Sp. Attack / 252 Speed
The goal of this set is to find the right time to switch in, get +1 in Sp. Attack from Download, use Agility, and sweep. With both a successful Download and Life Orb, Porygon-Z's Sp. Attack is effectively 789 (or 787 with HP Fighting). Agility raises its Speed to 558 (HP Fighting = 556), making it faster than most Scarf carriers! Tri-Attack is the obligatory STAB move, and Ice Beam gives crucial coverage, as well as blasting away the prime setup fodder Poke when you're done with it: Eviolite Tangela (when you already have something else asleep). HP Fighting or Thunderbolt both have their advantages in terms of coverage and power, and it's your choice which one you want. This set is most useful mid- or late-game, when P-Z's counters/checks are either severely injured or dead.
From my multiple battles with you Sharking, I've found that Leftovers is a more effective item for Porygon-Z, especially with the Sp. Atk boost from Download. Also, Thunderbolt hits a lot more pokes in the tier, such as Poliwrath, Blastoise, etc. The only natable things HP Fighting hits is opposing Porygon-Z and Ferroseed, and Ice Beam hits Ferroseed incredibly hard if you get the Sp. atk raise (if not, there are other team mates for Ferroseed)
-Magneton I don't see much, but I suppose
-You can't OHKO Aggron if the opponent keeps hazards away, so e Thunderbolt works just as well
-No idea why I even put Yanmega and Sharpedo, I'll edit them out of the post
I don't know sharking, I've found your PorygonZ underwhelming. It didn't have thunderbolt, so I completely walled it with my Slowking. I've been using a double dance set:
Porygon-Z @ Leftovers
Trait: Adaptability
EVs: 128 HP / 252 SAtk / 128 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Tri Attack
- Dark Pulse
- Agility
- Nasty Plot
Use the appropriate boost then go to work. If I get to +2/+2, He's a bitch to stop. He's really only completely walled by Aggron.
Porygon-Z @ Leftovers
Trait: Adaptability
EVs: 128 HP / 252 SAtk / 128 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Tri Attack
- Dark Pulse
- Agility
- Nasty Plot
Use the appropriate boost then go to work. If I get to +2/+2, He's a bitch to stop. He's really only completely walled by Aggron.
Wait just want to let those who think agility is original it isn't was a smogon set just not really used...at.all.
Yes it did all you did really was edit a move or two slight tweak on the ev's sorry to break it to you it sucks when I think I made something original (CM virizon in my case I still think I did it first) just to find out it was standard.
I've been using a Eviolite Wartortle, I'd like to hear your thoughts on it aswell.
Wartortle
Torrent
Eviolite
Careful
180 HP 252 SDef 76 Def
-Toxic
-Rapid Spin
-Mirror Coat
-Seismic Toss
Wartortle
Torrent
Eviolite
Careful
180 HP 252 SDef 76 Def
-Toxic
-Rapid Spin
-Mirror Coat
-Seismic Toss
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