Yes, as said previously he can't beat scizor ever....but every pokemon has their checks and counters....simply pointing out umbreon's doesn't make him bad. I'm only saying that charm umbreon is much more effective than cursebreon in this generation. Cursebreon is set up bait by almost anything. Charm breon can atleast stop a set up by physical sweepers. And actually force switches against +1 atk set uppers....this is a million times better than cursebreon with hazards up. Plus no one would ever use toxic after a charm....they would wait till they know they can be in the under 2-3 hit KO region with recovery before they toxic. He should be used like a phazer without roar. I am not saying umbreon is OU material...but he's definetely up for UU. And Charm should be his main set...not curse.
If Umbreon is not OU material and is up for UU, why even mention guys like Conk and Bronzong? You don't make any sense at all. Umbreon is bad, just bad, and can't do anything. So what for Charmbreon? If I wanted Charm, Vaporeon learns it as well and has better bulk and better things to use too. :/ Oh, and Vaporeon doesn't take SE damage from Drain Punch. That takes skill.
Also when ferrothorn is swapped....guess what.... you switch in your magnezone...oooo....yeah....you have just lured ferrothorn out and KOed him already....clearly getting the upper hand at the beginning of the match. You have a whole team to take care of these counters and checks....umbreon is not a sweeper....its a good lure.
Team preview immediately alerts the player to Maggy's presence. I only brought up Ferrothorn as an example because it just doesn't really care about Charm, since it can just setup hazards, while being immune to Toxic.
A perfect example of an OU placed pokemon that does absolutely nothing except take attacks without any recovery is bronzong after setting up rocks. Yes stealth rock set upper....great....after that.... just a punching bag that can take 2 more attacks at best....with no recovery and absolutely nothing to do except use that un-invested atk stat and hp(ice) to hit something while they set up and sweep you...OU tier only because of his resistances and stealth rock. I'm excluding trick room here.
Haha. By discounting Trick Room you immediately say Bronzong sucks. Its the same as saying that if Skarmory should be UU if its not running any one of SR/Spikes/Whirlwind/Brave Bird/Roost. Bronzong can use shit like Hypnosis to shut down someone on the opposing team. It is definitely NOT a punching bag.
No one in the top ranks of the OU tier has a completely original team btw...they are pretty much at most slight tweaks to the standard already tried and effective sets. The battler makes the rank....not the pokemon...prediction, experience, strategy, and precise knowledge of current metagame and its strategies are the most effective techniques that make up a top rank OU/UU tier battler. Not the pokemon.
wut. Ms. Denbo already covered most of these, but then it IS true that one can just copy a successful OU team, look at the threatlist, and work according to it. Really. Maybe I should've worded it clearer: being in the top 50 of OU doesn't necessarily mean that you know everything about the meta. At the end of the day, there's only one thing Umbreon can do, and that is to shit itself in the depths of NU because of the crapload of Fighting-types influx and its inability to do anything that Vaporeon or Espeon can't do.
