Something I need to get off my chest

Warning: the below text is HUGE.

In my previous job I met a woman that I am going to call Mary. She seemed nice and fun enough. She took the subway to go home like me so we talked quite a bit. We became more and more good friends as time passed and she even told me some personal things such as her husband cheating on her little before they got married. Son of a bitch.

He is not a monster by any means but I can't say I think he is very good of a man either. He is sexist and kind of an asshole towards her. Mary and I even had conversations about divorce and all and she always made sure she was not getting one. Her motives are mostly religious and that it would crush her mother's heart. It is fine, that is her business.

One day she told me she had a crush on me and wanted a kiss. I was thrown aback by that. Not even in my wettest dreams I would imagine such a thing. She was very insecure about that and felt bad too, said she was crazy and didn't want to lose my friendship. The problem is: she is married. I wasn't acquainted with her husband then so there was no real deterrent to giving her a kiss.

One thing that bugged me is that we had previously had a conversation on adultery. My thoughts then are still the same: if you cheat on your partner you break your word and that is unforgivable. I know I am a hypocrite.

At any rate, we kissed. It is probably important to note that that was my first kiss. Yes, I was 22 and only then kissed for the first time. The reason I am revealing that will become apparent later. She said it was quite a good kiss so yeah I can live with it lol. That was in mid March.

We continued to have our escapes and smuggle-wuggles whenever possible on the days that followed. It is very evident I was only using her for my bodily needs but I liked to think it was reciprocous so all was good.

One thing that bugs me is that I never felt a warm, fuzzy feeling around her. I felt very comfortable and, say, unshackled. This never changed. I think I never really had a crush or anything and now I feel guilty for that.

We grew more and more attached to each other, both as friends and as lovers. Today I can assure you she is the sweetest and most understanding person I have ever met and is someone I care a lot about. I felt I could talk about anything with her and so did she. We shared our views, hopes and fears on many subjects and had deep respect for each other.

We never hold any illusion on our relationship, though. We knew from day one it had no future and agreed that either one could terminate it at any time. One thing that pissed me off is how she constantly reminded me of that and that she wanted me to get a real girlfriend. I am still not sure why she mentioned it so often.

I was always very honest on the fact that I couln'dt have a girlfriend at the time. You see, I simply had no free time to dispense a girlfriend the attention I think a girlfirend deserves. I told her if she divorced AND stayed with me, it would be alright but told her not to divorce TO stay with me because of the aforementioned hinderance. Again, she said she had no intention of divorcing.

But Mary is an insecure woman. She even told me she is deathly afraid of being alone. In my view, that is the biggest reason for her not divorcing, much bigger than the others. I told her that was bullshit, she was a beautiful and interesting woman and the opinion of others don't matter. She got better with time, I like to think it was in part my words of incentive but perhaps it was the simple fact a guy was giving her the attention she needed and that boosted her confidence. But it doesn't matter, she was taking bolder decisions and I was glad for that. She even cut her hair short! Hey, it was a big deal for her and I felt very proud.

As you can see, part of me wanted her to divorce her husband but at the same time I know it'd be unfair to give her false hopes. This is probably because, damn, she was the first woman to ever like me, I was in a rush of feelings I had never experienced. Good thing I was still thinking with the correct head.

Eventually we had sex and I lost my virginity. Yeah, wecome to life, I am late to the party, etcetera. She said I did well, which was a huge ego boost. Well, after years watching porn, you should have taken mental notes of SOMETHING lol. We became even more attached after that (pun intended). Her being so understanding was crucial for me here. I suffer from premature ejacutalion (yes, many revelations in this thread) and she didn't seem to be bothered by it, said it could be worked around. I can't even begin to tell you how improtant that was to me. You see, as I got older, I was more and more assumed to be experienced and good at this kinda thing. And still, she broke no sweat. I will be forever grateful because of this.

In early June I quit my job and started an internship. Good thing for the career I suppose but mostly to situate you in time. Shortly afterwards her aunt was diagnosed with cancer and Mary started to break down. Her family, not even her husband, was being very supportive so I flew to the rescue. I left her cry on my shoulder.

Next week she broke up with me. The one thing that shouldn't have happened came to be: she realised she was falling for me. Since it was our agreement, I had no right to claim and accepted it stoically. I was, however, a little sad. I understand that such sadness may have been legit or only because I had lost my only means of sex. I am trying to be objective here, at the end of the day I am still human and still a man, and the flesh is weak. But let me tell you how delightfully ironic it is to hear "you are perfect and I love you and because of that we must part ways".

That was just the introduction. Now my problem begins.

It's been about two months since and I am starting to miss her a lot. It's even ridiculous. I think about it everywhere, everytime. When I am at work, when I am at university, when I am trying to sleep... I keep telling myself it is my body missing her, not my heart. But, damn, what do I know? I keep having these sexual and other fantasies and I feel like an idiot for that. It is over, move on, I tell myself, it is only your sex drive.But I will be damned if I don't want her back.

Mary and I have a friend in common who I will call Ana. The three of us are good friends and she knows everything. She is mostly a friend of Mary, though. One of these days we were talking about Mary and she told me one thing that only now is having a disturbing effect on me: Ana said that probably if I assured Mary I'd be there for her she'd divorce. That is quite a bit of responsibility.

One more thing: earlier today I learned that her aunt (the one with cancer) is getting worse. And her relatives are being complete dipshits about it. "It is psychological" they said. Ah, fuck you, seriously. I was enraged. I was asked to give her support and I certainly will as soon as possible, probably today. I will try to get Ana into it, too. At this time, Mary's well being is my priority zero and I will forsake whatever is needed to see her well even if it means being swapped to the gay friend ladder.

History lesson is over. Now, what has been on my mind.

Mary's marriage sucks. I've known that from the beggining. They've been married for three or four years and both have cheated on each other. That is just wrong. She said she still loved him despite his treachery but much less than before. I don't believe that. She is just used to having someone there when she arrives home and can't imagine her life without it. Like I said, she is very insecure.

But damnit, what next? Is she going to wait for her mother to die so she can divorce? Is she going to wake up in ten, fifteen years and realise how empty her marriage has been. I don't believe she is happy in her marriage.

The worst is that I can't tell her that. That'd be giving false hopes and generaly screwing her mind and spirit. I can't do that. I wish I could.

What Ana told me is making me nervous. Do I possess such power? Can I really have her back so easily? I know I have no right to do that. The marriage is a very big deal to Mary, I can't simply ignore that.

Part of me wants to simply say "I love you" but that'd be the easy way out. What do I know? Do something stupid and blame it on love? I am not that low.

Trying to get her back would blow her mind. Bad. She is too good of a person to disregard my feelings and she would inevitably suffer, be it for her husband, for me or for herself. I can't ignore that. At the same time, I can realisticaly picture me doing so. This is horrible. I don't want to desire a person only for bodily needs and ignore her feelings. I fear I might have become something I hate.

One thing I've considered is to engage in another relationship and see if I can placate this feeling. There is a problem though: this is the hardest thing in the world for me. I am perhaps a love-shy person. That is to say I am HORRIBLE at dealing with the opposite sex. I can't. I've tried and I just can't. I become incredibly anxious, nervous, irritable. I can't even talk, a huge lump forms in my throat. But I am aware that blaming it on some random psychological disorder is lame and the easy way out, even though I do identify with some of the "symptoms". But it could be self-suggestion.

I realise that everything I said may very well what I WANT to think, that is, the reality as I dream it. Yes, I second guess myself a lot. Being an objective and pragmatic person has its shortcomings, it seems.

And then there is the small possibility of Mary wanting to come back to me. I've made a point to myself of not accepting it so easily. Pride, yes. But what for? She'd probably fall for me again and break up.

I don't know what to do. My guts tell me to try and convince Mary to come back but my brain tells me this is wrong. At any rate, this is something I needed to talk and organizing this mess of thoughts in words has helped imensely in calming me down. If you read until here, I greatly appreciate it.
 
I read the whole thing too. Hey man, this kinda sucks for you. I think you shouldn't rush things. Maybe she will end up divorcing and then you gotta show your love for her. If it's only your bodily needs being fulfilled, maybe you have to let go. But if you possess feelings for her, then give it a shot. I hope I helped and good luck. I will continue to view the thread for updates on what is going on.
 
i would not recommend going after this woman again.

this is going to sound harsh, but devoting your life to emotionally weak people is only going to hurt you in the long run (and often the short run, too). if she's terrified of being alone and has proved that she has few qualms with cheating to appease that fear, why would you want her as a serious girlfriend? stuff like this is hard because it would behoove you to look at it rationally but it's almost impossible to do so when emotions are involved.

your love-shyness is not something that will last forever. when enough time passes for you to distance yourself from the memory of this woman (and make no mistake about it, that time will come) your experiences with her should fill you with some amount of valor and confidence. you will not be this way for the rest of your life.

you are 22 years old (so am i). do not convince yourself that this is the only chance you will get at happiness. i'm sure before her you thought you had no chance at happiness, and that was proved wrong. this girl is one of many, and as much as it hurts, the best you can do is move on and take from the experience the realization that someone fell for you, and that it will happen again.

there are a lot of wonderful people in this world.
 
Hey man I read the whole thing and that is some tough shit, I really feel for you.
But from what it sounds like I definitely do not think you should try to get her to divorce her husband. You seem really insecure about how both her and you are feeling about the situation, so persuading her to make that huge decision when you are so uneasy may not be wise. The fact that she doesn't like her husband is something she needs to come to terms with and figure out on her own, I think. Not to mention you are young dude. It's a cliche but there are literally a ton of fish in the sea, it's alright if a single one gets away. I'm sure you'll find the girl for you eventually if Mary isn't the one.
 
Get out while you can! Other women will strike a chord with you one day too.

Also there's a good chance you prevented their marriage from being repaired, so stop.
 
I'd wager that your apparent self awareness is only in hindsight.

Every person in this story needs to grow up.
 
I'm 17 so my advice might not be very useful but I'll give it a go.
I just want to say that I've felt like you about a girl plenty of times after she broke up with you. It usually lasts about a week before I meet someone else but in your case it's been a couple of months so it might be a different situation.
My point is to try to get over it and meet someone new but if you keep thinking about her after doing so, reassess the situation and talk to her or something (and tell her exactly how you feel if you're that desperate at end.) gl
 
I think you need to let her go and stop being so hard on yourself. Letting her go may not seem right to your guts, but it's probably for the best.
 
I had this feeling in the back of my head that this was going to have a twist/troll ending but I guess not.

Anyways, my advice is to work on a time machine, then when something goes wrong, go back and do something differently.
 
OK, it's getting kind of obvious that Glen has pretty much won this thread. Overall, the realization that you've experienced two-way love leads to the realization that you can experience it again. Not sure if there's much else to say now. This part of the OP kind of stuck out for me, though:

Good thing I was still thinking with the correct head.

Eventually we had sex and I lost my virginity.

also

never call a woman mary, even as a substitute, its as old and tired as naming a woman ethel or beatrice.

What about Beatrix? :P
 
I'm in a somewhat similar situation as you are. I've been seeing this girl for the past month or so. She was the one that approached me and said she would like to get to know me a bit better. On the first date I found out she was terribly immature and obnoxious, but later on that same day I got my first kiss and lost my virginity.

She is so clingy and wants me to talk to her all the time. If I don't pick up the phone she calls 30+ times in a matter of a few minutes. The only reason I even keep talking to her is for my sexual needs, I don't have any sort of feelings for her, and I don't think I ever will. I feel guilty at times but other times I feel so confident. I know what I'm doing is wrong, but I don't want to end it.

If you feel that you only want her for sex, then I think you should realize that you're only hurting her more, and being selfish. On the other hand if you think you genuinely love her, and can be there for her emotionally, physically, and financially (assuming her source of income is her husband) then go for it.
 
I'm sorry for you man, but I'm agreeing with Glen on this matter. I know it is hard, but there's plenty of fish on the sea. It's better to move on.
 
this is going to sound harsh, but devoting your life to emotionally weak people is only going to hurt you in the long run (and often the short run, too).

Jesus, I speak from direct personal experience when I say this is 100% correct. I have wasted too much of my adult life trying to be the White Knight who rides in and "saves" women from whatever ails them (namely themselves). I always want to fix something, but I'm always too busy trying to do that instead of finding out what I really want.

Live for yourself, not others. It may sound selfish, but you can't hope to be right for someone else until you do right by you.
 
yeah, if you guys already broke up there's a chance you'd get back together, but most times it just ends with more hurt...I was like that around women too, getting nervous and all that but the more you talk to them the easier it becomes. best of luck dude, it's a crappy situation to be in but in some way it happens to everyone, but yeah don't get back with her
 
From a neutral perspective disregarding every post here, my advice is to sit down with her, not as a lover, not as an ex, maybe not as anything, but just to ask her "What do you see in your future? Will it make you happy? Do you have to change it? What are you aiming for?"

I personally think that she is only cheating because her current marriage is empty. She is not in love; she is just used to that person. That's to say, I think she should get a divorce, but I don't think you should tell her that.

Make her question her life. Make her question her future. Not necessarily take her back or run away, just make it easier for her to clear things up. Give her a few weeks alone to figure it out, then meet up again and listen to what she has to say.

As a summary, question your lives as individuals and then see if you come to an agreement afterward.

I strongly do not advocate "just give up".
 
I read the whole thing and it's somewhat similar to an experience I had and I ended up cutting the other person out of my life because in my case I decided she was a bad influence on me.
If you were to try and leave Mary alone she would definitely be a lot sadder since she obviously needs someone right now to help her cope with her aunt, but if you were to help her it would probably lead to something physical eventually so it is probably best to let her be and ask Ana how Mary is doing every now and then to see how she's coping.
In my honest opinion it would be tougher for both of you at first if you stopped talking, but in the end it would be much better for you since you're still so young and will probably find someone more emotionally stable.
 
Dude i will give you this:

I totally agree with Chispy Do NOT give up you we have a wise saying here in Honduras (maybe in U.S.A. too):

*If you love someone let it go and it will come back if you were meant to be and destiny really tied you together it will come back*

Don´t interrupt their marriage,I mean it is obvious that they are not happy(I mean who would be with that kind of husband) eventually they will break up or not it´s not up to you what you need to do is:

WAIT

Destiny will do her job Mary is a really nice person (as you described her) actually both of you are really nice person.YES you did have an affair with her.YES some people call that cheating,but you know why she did that?Defintely not for revenge not to find a fuck-buddy,But to escape her real life she wanted to feel what TRUE LOVE meant she discovered that in YOU also your BODY does not need her.It is your heart don´t feel guilty about it you know what that is called?It´being in love this got a bit large so im gonna stop here

Remeber DO NOT GIVE UP


The best of luck buddy.
 
Everyone else has said it: Going after this women is going to lead to more trouble, both for you and for her.

With all the "fish in the sea" analogy, I'll try to share with you one of my experiences. This summer I've been doing community service at a special needs facility, and during the accumulative 20 hours, something jogged my mind. Many of these adults have mild to severe retardation and act very much like a 8 or 9 year old child would act. Their age ranges from 22 to even 60 years. It's essentially a preschool for adults.

Even with all of the activities, many of them don't really turn into productive members of society. They still act just like kids. And many of the workers know that, spending probably their entire lives to help the mentally handicapped. They always tell me that these adults will prosper and contribute to society, but making little origami fish is a long way from designing the cancer prevention pill.

A few of them do actually have a life outside the school like working at Walmart, but many of them, unfortunately, stay at the school all of their lives.

Many of the workers are middle-aged moms with average lives with kids, a decent husband, and a roof to live under. Many of them want to do something more with their lives (there was one who even wanted to be a surgeon, and she's 53!), but feel like taking care of the adults are first priority.


I'm not saying that these women aren't contributing to society. What I'm saying is that they given up their dreams to help someone's else, and you shouldn't too. You're fucking 22 for crying out loud! You're in the "I'm invincible bitches" years! Don't let the opportunity pass, because when it does, you will regret it.
 
Right when you started getting to deep with a woman that you knew would not get a divorce for RELIGIOUS reasons (divorce and religion are like oil and water, especially in a conservative setting) was the biggest mistake. My opinion is that because you've been love(?) deprived most of your life, you feel pretty damn attached to this woman, and obviously it's hard to let go. Your "guts" (emotions), want you to hold on, because you live in a state of uncertainty; who knows when another woman like Mary will come along in your life. I've been at this stage before, and it blows, and it does fuck up relationships, platonic or not.

Disregarding the fact that she's married and would refuse a divorce according to you, I'd still stay away from her. She seems emotionally unstable, especially with her aunt's illness, and with her own unstable marriage. What Doritos Trainer is talking about, that destiny bullshit, everyone believes they'll be with their "first" love in the beginning. That almost never works out. Rationally speaking, going after an unstable woman is just asking for trouble. Emotionally it'll be very difficult for you to cope with, but at this stage, you're going to have to weather the storm.

And remember, life goes on.
 
One thing I've considered is to engage in another relationship and see if I can placate this feeling. There is a problem though: this is the hardest thing in the world for me. I am perhaps a love-shy person. That is to say I am HORRIBLE at dealing with the opposite sex. I can't. I've tried and I just can't. I become incredibly anxious, nervous, irritable. I can't even talk, a huge lump forms in my throat. But I am aware that blaming it on some random psychological disorder is lame and the easy way out, even though I do identify with some of the "symptoms". But it could be self-suggestion.

You sure about that dude? You started something with Mary and yet the circumstances were positively awkward. If anything is stopping you from developing another relationship, it's your own unjustified lack of confidence. I've been in similar positions and I can totally empathise with what you are feeling, but sometimes you just have to... well, let go.

Best of luck man
 
Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I agree with glen's post. Good luck though man, I hope whatever decision you choose makes you happy.
 
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